Mini 945: Mafia in Bawlmer - GAME OVER

[DiamondCrash]

I don't care what anyone has to say, I am going to be voting for DiamondCrush at the end of this irregardless of whether or not it's a hammer.

If DC is really at L-1 are you seriously gonna hammer him? Ending the day this early without giving DC a change to claim?

I believe you mean "chance" to claim, yes?

[Dizzle]

Could

be. But I said that they "can be a scumtell". Reading between the lines says "they

might

not".

Quit trying to use your indecisiveness to appear protown.

Who said there was a cat to let out of the bag in the first place?

Um, you did.

I don't care what anyone has to say, I am going to be voting for DiamondCrush at the end of this irregardless of whether or not it's a hammer. I am not leaving him alive to screw up the town anymore. There is no reason to claim someone is the cop at this stage regardless of alignment, and I fear for what he'll say next.

You fear what he'll say next? Really? Now this is how you appear to be protown; by basically saying you're being forced to hammer DC for good of the town.

Do you think that the DiamondCrash thing is failtown or scum?
Can you list the two players you're most suspicious of and why?
How would you describe your mafia playstyle?

1. Well, it's definitely fail no matter what his alignment because he's likely going to be lynched for it, nevermind the potential outing.
2. Oph - For the issues I had with his SC debate and his defense of lynching DC even if he's town. Of course, Oph isn't the only one voting DC or using those same reasons to defend his vote so I'm not too worried about him at the moment.
Sidekick - I'm all for bandwagoning as a tool to put pressure on other players, but to put someone at L-1 and suggest that they should claim when the game hadn't even been going on for a full 3 days...c'mon now, that's unnecessary and scummy.
3. I try to call out all the bullshit I see and ask as many questions as possible. Sadly, I'm usually not as active as I intend to be but I try to make up for it during my infrequent appearances.

And based on what I said above,

Vote: Sidekick

[DiamondCrash]

Could

be. But I said that they "can be a scumtell". Reading between the lines says "they

might

not".

Quit trying to use your indecisiveness to appear protown.

I see what you did there.

[xvart]

Sorry for the absence, didn't have this game on my watch list. I'll get caught up and post more later tonight/tomorrow morning.

xvart.

[Cyberbob]

All DiamondCrash said in his defense is basically that he's a newbie. Cyberbob is giving him undue leniency in my opinion.

Scum. I'm not letting somebody who fished for

my role

off the hook as easily as others are.

Taking things personally much?

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I can't make much of most of the rest of Page 5, you guys are abusing quotes horribly and it's impossible to read.

Don't have too much else to say at this point except that Sidekick needs more votes. I'll try to figure out just what is being said on Page 5 and post my response in the meantime.

[xvart]

Do you think that the DiamondCrash thing is failtown or scum?
Can you list the two players you're most suspicious of and why?
How would you describe your mafia playstyle?

1. Failtown; scum would have no reason to out who they think is the cop. They can take care of that with a NK.
2. Sidekick and dramatic. I recognize that being a miller is pretty much a death sentence, whether or not you claim or investigated, so if I was the miller I would try and draw the NK.
3. I typically focus on one scummy person at a time and keep going with it until I am convinced otherwise, lynch occurs, or someone becomes more scummy. Although lurkers are so annoying, I don't usually advocate policy lynches of lurkers; but can be talked into their lynch (especially with a looming deadline.

Who said the cat was definitively out of the bag?

I did, meaning he can't go back and not claim miller.

Don't have too much else to say at this point except that Sidekick needs more votes.

I couldn't agree more (about more votes).

xvart.

[Ophanim]

Would like someone on the Sidekick wagon (preferably Cyberbob since he seems most adamant in support of DC) to give me one good reason why we should be lynching someone who is being lazy above someone who tried to out a cop on day 1.

I will respond to my favorite cop-out excuses here to save time first.

1.

He's a newbie!

If he doesn't know not to try to out power roles midway through day 1, then he's not functioning properly and is worthless to us in the long run to begin with.

2.

But he could just be stupid town!

And Sidekick should be lazy town.

3.

Sidekick voted once the wagon had taken form!

He may have been pushed into action by someone else's exposition.

4.

but to put someone at L-1 and suggest that they should claim when the game hadn't even been going on for a full 3 days...c'mon now, that's unnecessary and scummy.

Real life time is entirely irrelevant! Pages and whatnot are tons more relevant! Back in my day we had a town win a game in less than 2 real life days, and now 3 full days is

too short for day 1

?

[Dizzle]

I'd disagree that RL time is entirely irrelevant as DC hadn't even had a chance to respond to the growing wagon yet. Either way, L-1/claim demanding by page 3 seems a bit excessive to me too.

[Cyberbob]

(preferably Cyberbob since he seems most adamant in support of DC)

Adamant? Support? Yeah, nah. I have in no way let DC totally off the hook; the only reason I haven't gone back to him from Sidekick is because of his push for a claim (as Dizzle pointed out) so early (yes, Page 3 is early for talk of hammering and pushes for claims). The speed with which the wagon formed is also a concern for what should be obvious reasons.

You are misrepresenting both the points for a DC lynch and a Sidekick lynch; this is exemplified in your pithy little pre-emptive answers to "dem dum cop outs". I like how you try and paint me as "adamant" in "support" of DC when you are far moreso on both counts with Sidekick.

[StrangerCoug]

All DiamondCrash said in his defense is basically that he's a newbie. Cyberbob is giving him undue leniency in my opinion.

Scum. I'm not letting somebody who fished for

my role

off the hook as easily as others are.

Taking things personally much?

Even if I didn't, I consider myself aggressive on a good day.

Ophanim is not back on my scumlist just yet, but (s)he's pretty hell-bent on getting rid of DiamondCrash from what I understand of #131, and I wouldn't be surprised if Oph is trying to bus DC.

[Ophanim]

I feel like outing myself as an alt, for I feel that I've gotten everything I can out of playing as an alt.

My real account is one that has been here since May 2005. It is one that has become one of the most well-known players on the site, one equally respected and disrespected; as famous as infamous. I am one of the most controversial people this site has and will ever known.

I am one of the most prolific posters on the site, having made over 5.5k in-game posts. I have modded over 10 games and played in over 50.

I am the one, the only, the man, the myth, the ego, the spoiler-tagged for that satisfaction of being the one who figured it out:

The JDodge.

And now that I've had my overly-dramatic reveal, I shall go back to playing. Expect more shortly.

[Cyberbob]

Cool story bro.

[Ophanim]

Usually, they don't think too much about it.

I kind of dislike relying on people being stupid.

Could be. But I said that they "can be a scumtell". Reading between the lines says "they might not".

There's a reason you only said one and not the other.

So, you're telling us that you pretended to overreact as to promote discussion? Or did you actually overreact, and trying to think of an excuse?

I'm telling you that I reacted to nothing as nothing is all there was. I would also argue that I didn't overreact - I solely responded to points against me as anyone would. You'd be equally on my case were I ignoring things.

Paraphrase; "I don't care, I'm gonna kill him anyway." How accurate is this statement, Ophanim? Seems awfully one-track minded, wouldn't you say?

Yep! I have full intention to do nothing else this day but push for your lynch. Enjoy the ride. I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to support any lynch other than yours, and I doubt that such reason will come up.

Following the rest of the flock, you mean?

No, I mean rolling with the punches. Do I

look

like a flock-follower to you?

If DC is really at L-1 are you seriously gonna hammer him? Ending the day this early without giving DC a change to claim?

His claim had better be Jesus at this point to change my mind.

Quit trying to use your indecisiveness to appear protown.

Oh god this put me into a fit of laughter. Thanks for that!

You fear what he'll say next? Really? Now this is how you appear to be protown; by basically saying you're being forced to hammer DC for good of the town.

My hand is not forced. I force the hands of the town by doing what I'm doing. I fully admit that all of my opinions right now are focused on getting DC lynched over anyone else. I am plenty willing to explore a Sidekick lynch, but today nor tomorrow is the day. Tomorrow is a good day to off dramonic for the good of the town so we don't have to deal with that sticky endgame.

1. Failtown; scum would have no reason to out who they think is the cop. They can take care of that with a NK.

What do you think of my prior traitor theory?

I'd disagree that RL time is entirely irrelevant as DC hadn't even had a chance to respond to the growing wagon yet. Either way, L-1/claim demanding by page 3 seems a bit excessive to me too.

Fair enough. Same 2-day game was 6 pages. My first newbie game was 5 pages long.

Adamant? Support? Yeah, nah. I have in no way let DC totally off the hook; the only reason I haven't gone back to him from Sidekick is because of his push for a claim (as Dizzle pointed out) so early (yes, Page 3 is early for talk of hammering and pushes for claims). The speed with which the wagon formed is also a concern for what should be obvious reasons.

Page 3 is

not

early, at all. Furthermore, he had just put someone at -1; the general procedure is to ask for a claim, correct? In fact, I would ask a claim of DC for as long as he is at -1. The speed with which his wagon formed is a standard town reaction to his post, and my only regret over it was that I was not around to see it to its totality.

You are misrepresenting both the points for a DC lynch and a Sidekick lynch; this is exemplified in your pithy little pre-emptive answers to "dem dum cop outs". I like how you try and paint me as "adamant" in "support" of DC when you are far moreso on both counts with Sidekick.

I like how you don't give any real reactions. I don't care one lick about Sidekick. I care solely about getting DC deaded as quickly as humanly possible.

[Konowa]

Prodded Sidekick Friday afternoon. It has been over 48 hours, however this being Easter weekend and all I am granting him till tonight when I get off of work to post. If he has not posted by then, he will be replaced.

[Konowa]

Vote Count 1.5

Sidekick (4): MacavityLock, xvart, Cyberbob, Dizzle
DiamondCrash (6): StrangerCoug, Chevre, Apayah, dramonic, Sidekick, Ophanim

Not Voting (2): Netopalis, DiamondCrash

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 16th, 2PM GMT-4.

Prodding:

V/LA:

[Ophanim]

Neto, a theoretical for you: Someone is sitting next to you with a gun to your head forcing you to choose between voting Sidekick or DC. For the purpose of this example imagine your vote would not hammer either. Who do you choose?

[DiamondCrash]

Could be. But I said that they "can be a scumtell". Reading between the lines says "they might not".

There's a reason you only said one and not the other.

Unsuprisingly. The reason being to give a reason.

So, you're telling us that you pretended to overreact as to promote discussion? Or did you actually overreact, and trying to think of an excuse?

I'm telling you that I reacted to nothing as nothing is all there was. I would also argue that I didn't overreact - I solely responded to points against me as anyone would. You'd be equally on my case were I ignoring things.

And how would I? I ignored it; how would I have been on your case if you had?

[quote="Oph"

Following the rest of the flock, you mean?

No, I mean rolling with the punches. Do I

look

like a flock-follower to you?[/quote]
Just late to the party.

My first newbie game was 5 pages long.

Was that how long you lasted, or how long it actually went on for?

In fact, I would ask a claim of DC for as long as he is at -1.

Right, I'll give you a claim. In fact, why haven't you asked for it yet, considering you're the one that put me at L-1?

I claim Town Roleblocker.

The real reason why I wondered about SC's role was because I didn't want to block a potential doc.

[Ophanim]

So, you're telling us that you pretended to overreact as to promote discussion? Or did you actually overreact, and trying to think of an excuse?

I'm telling you that I reacted to nothing as nothing is all there was. I would also argue that I didn't overreact - I solely responded to points against me as anyone would. You'd be equally on my case were I ignoring things.

And how would I? I ignored it; how would I have been on your case if you had?

Because Coug's statements were directed at me and not you?

Following the rest of the flock, you mean?

No, I mean rolling with the punches. Do I

look

like a flock-follower to you?

Just late to the party.

Then jump ahead in time, because I'm not going to take my time to help out the guy in the past.

My first newbie game was 5 pages long.

Was that how long you lasted, or how long it actually went on for?

How long the entire thing took.

In fact, I would ask a claim of DC for as long as he is at -1.

Right, I'll give you a claim. In fact, why haven't you asked for it yet, considering you're the one that put me at L-1?

I claim Town Roleblocker.

The real reason why I wondered about SC's role was because I didn't want to block a potential doc.

So you wanted to out the doc in order to prevent yourself from blocking them. Which you did by saying he was a cop.

Yeeeeah.

Hammer please!

[DiamondCrash]

Oh yeah, cop. Not doc. Sorry.

My first newbie game was 5 pages long.

Was that how long you lasted, or how long it actually went on for?

How long the entire thing took.

Can we have a link?

[Chevre]

My computer is being flukey right now. I'm sorry for the lack of posts.

On that note:

V/LA Tuesday-Sunday.

Noted.

[StrangerCoug]

I claim Town Roleblocker.

The real reason why I wondered about SC's role was because I didn't want to block a potential doc.

I have a problem with the whole post. First off, why are you saying that you "claim" a role instead of outright being the role? Second, that you first claim that I am a doctor and then (supposedly by mistake) a doctor really isn't flying. You're not trying to deduce whether I'm town or scum, you're trying to deduce what power role I have, assuming I have one for you to guess at in the first place. Now die.

[Konowa]

Beginning to look for a Sidekick replacement.

[dramonic]

back from v/la

In light of recent events... I'm still all for pushing DC off a cliff.

[Netopalis]

Sorry, I've been rather inactive - I'll catch up before tomorrow. I'd be fine with a DC lynch, since it will give us a fair amount of information. I'll hammer in 24 hours, unless there's an objection.

[Apayah]

I claim Town Roleblocker.

The real reason why I wondered about SC's role was because I didn't want to block a potential doc.

I'm not buying this. You can hammer anytime Neto