Mini 953: Star Control: Alliance Initiative (Over)

[Papa Zito]

zzzzzzzz

[Papa Zito]

Hooray!

The bad guys are good guys in this game. Weird.

I promise not to nerdfan you guys to death this time.

Highly suggested reading: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12390 Mechanics are likely to be similar.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks Gamma. <3

[Papa Zito]

I'm a big SC nerdfan. I know way too much about the game. And almost doomed the town last time because of it.

The presence of those roles/mechanics in the previous game was greater than what I would have expected. It is plausible that Spyrex would incorporate similar mechanisms into this sequel game. I have a high enough opinion of my expectations that I think it worthwhile to point this out.

I agree. That's why I linked to it.

[Papa Zito]

You can trade crew members for fuel with the Thraddash

That's the Druuge.

And if you do it too much bad things happen.

Goddammit I'm doing it again.

[Papa Zito]

Oh also I thought you guys should know that Plum is town.

[Papa Zito]

I dunno which color. Just town.

[Papa Zito]

Extremely.

Potshots at Plum will be met with extreme prejudice.

[Papa Zito]

Kinky.

Someone do something really scummy so I can wagon you. TIA.

[Papa Zito]

Yes Kast, it's serious. I'm sharing so we don't waste time wagoning/hunting Plum.

[Papa Zito]

I don't know if she knows mine.

[Papa Zito]

Er, wait, I didn't claim anything.

Unless you mean I claimed Plum = town.

[Papa Zito]

Merkabah's a hydra?

[1] Who here have you enjoyed/not enjoyed playing with before and why?

[2] If you're not voting, why not?

[3] Do you think that voting/not random voting has any indication on alignment?

[4] What do you think my secret reasons for voting Dry are?

1. I've played with most of you kids before. Plum, Kast, Porkens, Dry-Fit and I were in the original game together. I've played with Plum and Porkens elsewhere as well. Gamma was my partner in another game. We lynched cruelty. And NKed the mod.

2. I hate meta.

3. Nope.

4. Null.

My motivation was simple: I have information, so I'm sharing it. It helps nobody if I take it to my grave. Ya'll are free to dismiss it if you like but don't be surprised by my reaction if someone goes after Plum.

[Papa Zito]

Merkabah = Amished + VP Baltar

Cripes.

So Gamma, let's hear the results of your survey.

Also, happy scumday RBT, you bastard.

[Papa Zito]

It's a really bizarre combo.

Also Amished and I have HISTORY (ohnoes)

CF, why aren't you voting Gamma?

[Papa Zito]

How many times do I have to say it's serious before you'll treat it as serious?

Will one more work? Here: It's serious.

[Papa Zito]

[1]Papa what does not liking meta have to do with random voting exactly? [2]And is it just me being crazy or does your answer to the first question have no enthusiasm at all, I would think you'd be happier recalling winning games (the one with me and the first SC game)

1. Meta's the only reason I can think of for this question.
2. It goes without saying that I love you crazy kids.

That's all great. What are your conclusions?

[Papa Zito]

Uh I don't really have any solid conclusions from it, the closest thing to it would probably be that I find bouncy scummier than before.

Why?

[Papa Zito]

Just realized, Zito why would I be voting Gamma? I kind of assumed you were voting him when you asked me but apparently not.

I was writing a post out to answer this question, but then I saw some later stuff and realized you're scum. Sweet.

vote: CF Riot

[Papa Zito]

Tell me what you think of 111, Gamma.

[Papa Zito]

Let's look deeper.

CF talks about three players in 111.

1.

But no, it doesn't really tell me anything about [Papa Zito's] alignment right now.

2.

Rice is active lurking. A "hunch" isn't good enough. I know there are other fairly inactive people right now too, but personally I think active lurking is worse than not posting.

3.

I also don't like Dry's vote on Bouncy. It seems weak and forced.

He lists RBT as active lurking and says Dry-fit's vote is "weak and forced". One would assume that he's mentioning these things because he thinks they're scummy.

So why isn't he voting the scummy people instead of the neutral?

[Papa Zito]

False. I said the Plum thing was a null on you until I got more info. I didn't say I didn't think you were scum. Now I will admit that the original reason I have for looking at you is other people bringing you up, and not something you've done yourself. It was not the strongest vote. But you currently have the most votes and it's early game, so all those factors combined make me comfortable leaving a vote on you.

So you feel that "other people mentioning me" makes me more likely scum than RBT's "active lurking" and Dry-fit's "weak and forced" vote on bouncy.bouncy?

So was there ever a reason to vote Gamma? Whether you think I'm scum or not, I feel like that was an honest question and I'd love to hear an answer.

Same general thing. You say Gamma's pop quiz is weak and not valuable but your vote stayed put.

[Papa Zito]

DEAR TOWN,

Reminder: This is a BaM game with short deadlines. I believe we have about a week left. The slow pace of this game is only benefiting scum. Please start posting.


Love,

PZ

[Papa Zito]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

animorpherv1

- 2 - Merkabah, Gammagooey - (L-5)

bouncy.bouncy

- 1 - Dry-fit - (L-6)

CF Riot

- 1 - Papa Zito - (L-6)

Gammagooey

- 1 - Riceballtail - (L-6)

Papa Zito

- 3 - CF Riot, cruelty, Porkens - (L-4)

Porkens

- 1 - Plum - (L-6)

Riceballtail

- 1 - animorpherv1 - (L-6)

Players not voting: bouncy.bouncy, Kast

Let's put Porkens at L-1.

[Papa Zito]

I'm trying my best Gamma but I don't have anything to work with.

Putting Porkens at L-1 was a joke since he said he'd hammer anyone at L-1. Self-hammer for the lulz?

Best I can tell our town is disinterested and our scum are hoping I'll just end up as the default lynch. Sad situation is sad but I can't win this solo so I dunno what else you want me to do.

[Papa Zito]

unvote: CF Riot

I see where you're coming from now.

Kast, you haven't posted a wall yet. What gives?

[Papa Zito]

Sort of.

You saved my bacon last game with those. They're good value.

@Mod: Prod Ani plz?

vote: cruelty

meh

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: I've voting cruelty. See 136.

Noted and Updated

Lawl, I know what Gamma is.

I liked this quote:

@Merk- Dry is more gut scummy to me than anyone else (both of his last two votes have been on stuff other people pointed out, and none of his posts have brought up anything new)

I've only made one non-rvs vote.

Way to nitpick and not argue the actual point.

Merkabah's not paying attention to the game. Might be scum, or just lazy, dunno.

[Papa Zito]

Merkabah's not paying attention to the game. Might be scum, or just lazy, dunno.

No, I think you're not reading the CF situation properly actually. I was quite surprised you backed off so easily with such a poor excuse.

Unless you're referring to something else, in which case feel free to edify me.

You had my reasoning right, but (I figured) failed to notice his explanation and our subsequent vote changes. It's kinda like if you suddenly bust into the room screaming "THE CAKE IS A LIE!!" at the top of your lungs. Old.

Maybe I like his explanation because I value bandwagons so much too.

I'm a Mycon, bulletproof town.

Oh lawd, here we go.

[Papa Zito]

People's reasons for voting RBT seem weak.

How do you feel about his claim?

[Papa Zito]

@Merk-
-In the linked game, RBT and I were part of the scumteam. One of RBT's strategies was to lurk heavily. Another was to guess the role/name of town players and use the guess to gain town-cred/buddy with that townie. It's the same pattern that RBT is using here; initially lurk, but when called on it try to buddy with and guess the role of another player.

... that's exactly what he did in Narnia. Only there he didn't have to guess cuz he was a rolecop.

(YES RBT I'M STILL SORE ABOUT THAT SHUT UP)

[Papa Zito]

@Zito-
Was he town or scum in that game?

He was very scum, we were very fooled, and I am very bitter.

He already cliamed.

False. We need ship, ship abilities, race, and race abilities.

BTW, what he's already claimed doesn't fit the game.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah I thought the failhammer was funny too.

It is false. He hasn't claimed yet.

[Papa Zito]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

animorpherv1

- 1 - Riceballtail - (L-6)

bouncy.bouncy

- 1 - Dry-fit - (L-6)

CF Riot

- 1 - Merkabah - (L-6)

cruelty

- 1 - Papa Zito - (L-6)

Gammagooey

- 1 - Porkens - (L-6)

Riceballtail

- 5 - animorpherv1, Kast, CF Riot, cruelty, Plum - (L-2)

Players not voting: bouncy.bouncy, Gammagooey

How....?

Nevermind.

Ugh.

[Papa Zito]

I can only die to lynches.
I can shapeshift into another race by targeting a player at night.
I have a podship, and it is fairly vanilla.
I am sided with the town.

I can't really get more specific than this without risking modkill.

wat

wat

no really wat

[Papa Zito]

I want moar info.

Also none of that claim makes sense. Especially:

I can shapeshift into another race by targeting a player at night.

There aren't any races in Star Control that can do this.

What, exactly, happens when you shapeshift to someone else? New role PM?

[Papa Zito]

Yeah there's nothing vanilla about a ship that can regenerate itself and oh yeah fires giant powerful balls of energy that track enemy ships.

lulz

[Papa Zito]

This day was weird.

I don't have any battery juice btw.

[Papa Zito]

Gee, thanks RBT.

Anyone learn anything useful last night?

[Papa Zito]

That's excellent. Not other suggestions atm.

[Papa Zito]

Merkabah, he's wondering why he's floating in space.

Also, what most likely happened was someone jumped/was pulled from the Avenger to another. Unmanned ships asplode.

[Papa Zito]

I have no issues with a cruelty lynch atm but I wanted moar info before I start throwing votes around.

[Papa Zito]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

cruelty

- 2 - Gammagooey, Dry-fit - (L-4)

Players not voting: animorpherv1, bouncy.bouncy, CF Riot, cruelty, Kast, Merkabah, Papa Zito, Plum, Porkens

I can pick you up, Gamma.

And yeah, we need to get rid of the Chenjesu asap.

[Papa Zito]

Well, that was weird. I thought that someone would die. Apparently not, and their ship acts as a shield.

More words plz.

[Papa Zito]

You haven't played Mafia with me, have you?

No. I also don't care about meta, so you can go jettison that out into space too.

There are very good reasons for you to cough this up. Get going.

[Papa Zito]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

cruelty

- 2 - Dry-fit, Merkabah - (L-4)

Dry-fit

- 2 - Plum, Gammagooey - (L-4)

Players not voting: animorpherv1, bouncy.bouncy, CF Riot, cruelty, Kast, Papa Zito, Porkens

If scum know Gamma is going to your ship, then they can easily try to kill you and get both of you with one shot.

Bring it.

@Corollary to thought to Zito-
Assuming someone did jump ship, you probably don't want to reveal that anytime soon since it makes for an easy scum target.

If someone jumped ships I wasn't involved. I'm just guessing that's what happened.

Ani, I need to know who you shot at. Stop dodging the question.

[Papa Zito]

I think that becuase I feel he's pulling on straws.

What straws?

And I don't like that he said "Plum is town" without telling why.

What is Zitoscum's motivation for doing so?

When I saw Gamma in Space, I was wondering why nobody died, and I posted it. Then I eventually rmeembered that you have a Day or So to get picked up by someone.

What does this have to do with someone's ship acting like a shield?

[Papa Zito]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

wait

wait

wait

Probably useless game setup speculation: We have race-pairs, but sometimes one of the pair is scum. OR, the fakeclaims are set up this way.

IMO, you were looking at something not very important.

What's that?

Trying to lear a Scumbuddy

lol?

Let's explore this little scenario for a second. Assume I am scumbuddies with Plum. I came right out of the gate and declare that Plum is town in-thread.

1. Has Plum been cleared by this statement? Look at the reactions to my post ITT
2. Plum gets lynched and flips scum. I am irrevocably tied to her by my statement. I'm getting lynched next y/n?
3. I get lynched and flip scum. I am irrevocably tied to Plum by my statement. She's getting lynched next y/n?

Gonna do some re-reading here.

[Papa Zito]

bouncy.bouncy, scumlist plz.

[Papa Zito]

Now, if you'd like to wait until Sunday to actually vote to make sure Kast actually gets back and has a chance to do something, I'm all for it. However, you should state your intention to vote him now so we can have a chance to evaluate his claim before Sunday.

I want to wring some content from bouncy.bouncy's scrawny little neck before I decide.

[Papa Zito]

Well SOMEONE's in a hurry to get to night.

I mean, what, you aren't curious about where bouncy's head is right now?

[Papa Zito]

vote: bouncy.bouncy

Post or die.

[Papa Zito]

^^^ interesting.

Reasoning?

[Papa Zito]

Uh.

What's ?????

[Papa Zito]

Also:

lol@scum shooting at me.

[Papa Zito]

Plum, were you bunking with Ani or cruelty?

[Papa Zito]

bunking?

Yaknow.

So I'm confused by what happened last night then.

Nice to see you draw the scumshot.

Yup.

[Papa Zito]

I guess this means we have two scumz out there still.

One NKd cruelty (why cruelty?). The other tried to ship-kill me but just went plinkplink.

Plum jettisoned (spent all your energy?) of her own volition. Not sure I get it but ok.

Ani looks like a vig shot.

Ok, all cool.

Merk > bouncy?

[Papa Zito]

Good point about ani.

OHyeah I forgot about cruelty's doc mess. Cuz I didn't believe it. lulz

Hard to argue with big numbers like a billion.

vote: Merkabah

[Papa Zito]

Yeah I have him.

(Gamma: Role-based weirdness prevents me from joining you in the QT. Sorry. )

[Papa Zito]

Aka Kmd's lucky shot.

No worries, I think we've got this one well in hand.

[Papa Zito]

I like how this thread has basically become the town's QT.

^5

[Papa Zito]

Harf. I'm not scum.

Quicklynch? I'd like a Merk claim.

[Papa Zito]

The hell?

>3 scumz in a 12p game?

[Papa Zito]

I think it's time for a visit from our

monthly

friend, Mr. Massclaim.

Because we're so far ahead of the pitch count now that it kinda doesn't matter, and we'll be able to weed out the last (4th!) scum easier.

I'll have a special request when it's my turn to go.

[Papa Zito]

YAY WIN

Oh hai I was Orz and I was shooting up the damn place.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

wait

wait

wait

Probably useless game setup speculation: We have race-pairs, but sometimes one of the pair is scum. OR, the fakeclaims are set up this way.

It really, to me, didn't seem like the scum looked in detail at their fakeclaims - all three served as doublers for the actual roles in the game with enough similarities that they a.) served as covers for their real actions and b.) gave a lot of additional insight to the setup and what to expect (or so was the plan).

I feel smart.

[Papa Zito]

Ideas on ways to better "define" interactions so we dont run into that kinda hullaballo?

I tend to use something like this when I mod complex games elsewhere:

B.)4/4
A.)Turret (4) (N): Select a player. That ship will be destroyed and all targets jettisoned into space. Please use the command

Blast:

playername

R.A)*GO! GO!* 1 (N): You start the game with 4 Marines. They may be used for the following:
--- Track Target (1M): Select a player. You will know any players their ship targeted that night. Please use the command

Track:

playername

--- Watch Target (2M): Select a player. You will know any pilots whose ships targeted that player that night. Please use the command

Watch:

playername

--- Capture Target (1M): Select a player. That player will be forcibly moved to your ship. Please use the command

Capture:

playername

--- Destroy Target (2M): Select a player. That player will be killed. Please use the command

kill:

playername

R.A.)*Nnnnnngggg* (1) (N): Select a player on your ship. That player will be killed. You gain 3 Marines. Please use the command

Eat:

playername

Kills performed by Zitovig without telling any of us:2

It's a bad idea to be useless when Zito has vig powers. I get so much satisfaction from vigging lurkers you have no idea.

I said I sent him a Syreen smooch, which was passed-off as RVS jokery about or roles in the previous game.

And it only took me a page for that to click, too. Absolutely brilliant. Why did you choose me though?

P.S. Very sad to see poor Decker die. I guess he won't make it to the sequel.

[Papa Zito]

Also, I was toying around with the idea of initiative for abilities (1-10, lowest goes, then so on).

Not, like, rolling for initiative (RPGs) I hope? Cuz NAR should handle that kind of thing. Or just assign a number pre-game and always use that.

BTW, I store mod stuff in Google Docs. That way I only have one version and it's accessible from anywhere.

I didn't expect you to go around declaring me Town

I think towns spend too much time hoarding info. They should share more.

Did you notice the name of Decker's ship, Zito?

I did, though it didn't register until SpyreX reminded me. Poor Aelita. :/

[Papa Zito]

Yeah there's nothing wrong with that at all, you just have to make sure you play out a ton of scenarios in your head to make sure the numbers are right, cuz once it's game on it's game on and you can't really change things when the game starts. With SCIII that might take a while if it's as complicated as this game (and given the size I'm guessing it'll be more so).

[Papa Zito]

I would pre-in for CRAZZY but mith would ban me. lulz