Thor665 wrote:
2. I do not see this as mutually exclusive. Why would you think a vote has to be for either a perceived scum tell *or* to 'test' someone?
No, they are not. What I meant was to ask what was your main purpose. To test, or because he seemed scummy. (there are of course other reasons as well, but those two seemed the most likely)
Thor wrote:3. I did not imply what he said. I offered my interpretation of what he said. I accept that it was my interpretation. Do *you* think it was a misrep of him?
It bothered me a bit, yes. But I understood why you were saying it so... I wasn't sure, I wanted your thoughts on your action.
Thor wrote:4. Going with the purest definition of OMGUS (oh my gawd, you suck - for the newbies). An OMGUS vote is a vote made on someone only because they are attacking/voting for you. I do not believe Die's vote was OMGUS.
5. He attempted to provide reasons for his counter vote. I am unimpressed by his reasons which is why I was pressuring him to justify the logic of his vote, but since his vote wasn't parsed "You're voting for me? Obv scum is obvious" it was not OMGUS.
Good!!! That is exactly what I thought you would say
I'm glad
Thor wrote:I disagree with you as far as the 'it's okay to answer questions directed at others' because that then allows the person who was asked the question to frame their answer in a cop-out way by saying 'ah, what he said' instead of actually answering it themselves.
Aurorus answered a question that had already been answered, however, so I have zero issue with that specific point.
If I ask a question of someone I do not think I should need to say each and every time that I expect their answer to the question (if we're going that route I wish it to be understood that all my questions will have this caveat attached to them even if I do not type it out)
I see your point, and I must apologize for I think that I explained my thoughts poorly.
Yes, you should wait for the person specifically asked first, but you should also be able to answer questions regardless if you feel like it. For instance you ask later
Thor wrote:Do you believe you will have difficulty lynching someone if they have certain traits you enjoy even though they are the more obvious scummy player?
and AV answered negatively. My answer to this question would be Yes, and in fact it has cost me a game. But it has also made it so that I lynched the right person in another spot. I'd like to say that certain traits make me think people are scummy or not, and I find very few things obvious.
I don't believe it'll be a problem that I answered that question because it will help you understand my play (which in my mind helps town).
Where you would ask someone not to answer a question would be when you are trying to trap someone else. Trying to ensure that they can't use another's logic to get out of something they set themselves up in. I rarely do that, except when I am scum, but I have seen town do it before, and they've caught scum through it. I've also seen town try it, and other town get out of it successfully, so it does work, like all things, sometimes.
AV wrote:I think anything that gives us information or a read on scum is good for the town. The answer in itself is problematic for the town, because, like you said, it stops the person to whom the question was addressed from giving an original answer. However, problematic does not mean the same as unhelpful. The context in which the answer was given, and who jumps in front of what sort of question, is surely rich in information that will give us more to analyse.
oooo I like that point too. Especially since we'd notice when someone did say (yeah, just what that guy said)... hmm interesting.
One last little thing
Thor wrote:Do you think he was defending you to get you to like him more, or to attack Die's in an off-hand manner, or to simply be a player who is offering his read on the scumtell?
This is a good question. By the Way, AV, I'm an IC. I will continue to separate my IC parts of my posts from my game parts. I made sure not to include it in my IC part because it is part of my post as a player, not as an IC. In no way was
Pul wrote:Also, I don't find a problem with answering questions aimed at other people it shows your involved. Just don't do it when specifically asked not to.
Coming from my status as IC, and it is definitely a fair thing to question. By Thor questioning it I not only was able to defend myself, but was also able to further explain my thoughts and we were all able to learn more.
As IC it is important that I show you a real game and fight for my win condition, no matter what that condition is.
"If I had to label someone as dangerous, it'd be Pulindar. I have a feeling his scum game is very similar to his town game.... What I think is dangerous about Pulindar is that his scumreads feel so liquid. He can post a wall of questions and decide he doesn't like your answer to one of them and justify a vote on you." ~ Prawneater
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