Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[Chronopie]

Wow, just Wow.

Dram calling Ultros a fakeclaim

and

element fishing.

FoS: Dramonic

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Vote Count:

Iecerint: 5

(KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, PranaDevil, dramonic, Chronopie)

PranaDevil: 4

(inHimshallibe, Iecerint, bill1148, DarkLightA)

dramonic: 2

(bv310, FC Groningen)

Zodiark13: 1

(Devotress)

Glork: 2

(Zodiark13)

bv310: 1

(wolframnhart)

wolframnhart: 1

(Nautilus)

Chronopie: 1

(WorseExcuse)

Not Voting:

Antifinity
JPSalazar
killa seven

Lynch:

11 votes.

Deadline:

May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST

[inHimshallibe]

If you want my opinion, I'd say it was even slightly scummy.

Explain please.

I'll answer this on inHim's behalf.

You've decided to show off your FF knowledge and have done

approximately

exactly zero scumhunting.

Mostly this. It also has to do with Zodiark ignoring everything but FF.

Right now, I'd probably keep my vote on Glork. His attacks on me seem OMGUS to me. To be perfectly honest, I don't have any immediate suspicions, although, it seems like Nautilus is trying to buddy me.

lol

bill is likely Town.

sure, why not...

Vote: PranaDevil

As good as others.

no thoughts on alignment yet.

Wow, just Wow.

Dram calling Ultros a fakeclaim

and

element fishing.

FoS: Dramonic

This seems bad.

The small Iecerint run we've got going is: Glork, MehPlusRawr, PranaDevil, dramonic, Chronopie

Thinking two scum in that group, and their names aren't Glork or dramonic.

[dramonic]

Wow, just Wow.

Dram calling Ultros a fakeclaim

and

element fishing.

FoS: Dramonic

For one thing, I'm pointing out the fact that there are more options than the one Iece proposed.
For the other, I'm trying to avoid an accidental quicklynch.

[WorseExcuse]

Other half of WorseExcuse reporting in. Catching up due to recent RL stuff; expect post tomorrow.

- PaltryExcuse

[Iecerint]

Uh, dram, I think JP is claiming that Prana is the one whose thought process isn't linear. Not me.

Ultros would be a really mean fakeclaim. If this isn't a "normal" setup in certain ways, the flavor-based analysis you're intimdating is questionable.

[dramonic]

Uh, dram, I think JP is claiming that Prana is the one whose thought process isn't linear. Not me.

I know. Why're you bringing him into the conversation?

Ultros would be a really mean fakeclaim. If this isn't a "normal" setup in certain ways, the flavor-based analysis you're intimdating is questionable.

Get off your high horse, all I said is that there were more options than those stated. AND you dodged my question.

[Iecerint]

Your use of "Quite So" implied your post was intended to support JP's, so the content of your post implied a misperception of JP's post.

I see no reason to answer your question.

[Nautilius]

Hmm.
I believe Yerk.
I also agree with his stuff on Prana's flavor hypocracy.

Unvote, Vote Prana

[dramonic]

well, quite so was an answer to "spooky, right?"

=_=

My vote is lightning aligned. If I am voting for a water aligned player, their lynch thresold decrease by 1.
Let's try again. Are you water aligned?

[Iecerint]

Oh, OK, looks like you simulposted with JP. Fair enough.

Explanation is reasonable.

@ all,

is there a particular reason I shouldn't answer dram's question?

[JPSalazar]

Can there be a total vote count thus far, without the repeating names? I don't want to take the initiative, in case it's against some sort of MafiaScum.net etiquette or something, where only the mod posts vote counts or whatever.

Thanks.

[dramonic]

Also, note Glork succeeded to vote you all the while not having his vote count.

[dramonic]

nvm
could've sworn his vote hadnt appeared in the other counts.

[Devotress]

Black goop?

Like an ink attack from a squid? or octopus?

This is pretty much what I was getting at when I asked Glork for flavour. Blinding people is so much of who ultros is, that in Dissidia Final Fantasy he's boiled down to a summon skill that casts ink on the enemy player.
I know Icerint just claimed vanilla, but if he changes his mind I'd really like him to claim the full details of his blind skill. If it's just a vote blocker I doubt it would be a town alligned role.

That said, I'd rather try and hit another scum before Icerint if possible, because frankly, incase he's telling the truth about his death miller role It'd make analysing people's interactions in this game alot easier if we managed to hit another scum before him so we know for sure if Icerint is really scum.

[wolframnhart]

@iecerint

I think that answer should be up to you. Dram stated why he wanted an answer out of you, that he was trying to avoid a quick lynch and the reason why it would be, because a vote from him against you if you are water element it would take 10 votes to lynch you instead of 11. So if you want to answer him by all means do, if you don't, then don't.

[Glork]

That said, I'd rather try and hit another scum before Icerint if possible, because frankly, incase he's telling the truth about his death miller role It'd make analysing people's interactions in this game alot easier if we managed to hit another scum before him so we know for sure if Icerint is really scum.

Part of me understands where you're coming from, but I am, and always have been, of the opinion that if you think you've found scum, you should want them dead immediately.

Iece reiterated his vanillaness, and yet you seem to be willing to give him another chance to change his story. Do you believe right now that he is vanilla? If he were to say "okay, I have other abilities," would you believe him to be protown?

Seems to me you're trying very hard to allow him to back himself out of a corner.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Also, Iece should answer Dram.

[Devotress]

Iece reiterated his vanillaness, and yet you seem to be willing to give him another chance to change his story. Do you believe right now that he is vanilla?

I don't believe he is vanilla.

If he were to say "okay, I have other abilities," would you believe him to be protown?

Frankly, the idea of someone who can make someone not have a vote and put us in lylo sooner is very scary and I do want to lynch him, but I'd still rather here the full description of what blind does. It could be something confirmable for all we know.

Seems to me you're trying very hard to allow him to back himself out of a corner.

Lynch someone(zodiark) today and Icerint tomorrow. I'd rather give Icerint a pass for ONE day, because it might save us alot of grief later, we can't keep giving him passes forever though.

[Iecerint]

^ If you don't think I'm vanilla, I am lying and you should lynch me. Does not compute.

What information do we have about the element mechanic? Is not detailed on page 1, and I'm too busy watching Glee to look at the Queue post.

[Devotress]

^ If you don't think I'm vanilla, I am lying and you should lynch me. Does not compute.

Lynch someone(zodiark) today and Icerint tomorrow

[Kdub]

That said, I'd rather try and hit another scum before Icerint if possible, because frankly, incase he's telling the truth about his death miller role It'd make analysing people's interactions in this game alot easier if we managed to hit another scum before him so we know for sure if Icerint is really scum.

I thought about this as well. If he is telling the truth, it would be better to save him until after a non-town flip. The problem is, what if he is lying scum and actually has night actions? Should we really give him another night to use them?

[Devotress]

That said, I'd rather try and hit another scum before Icerint if possible, because frankly, incase he's telling the truth about his death miller role It'd make analysing people's interactions in this game alot easier if we managed to hit another scum before him so we know for sure if Icerint is really scum.

I thought about this as well. If he is telling the truth, it would be better to save him until after a non-town flip. The problem is, what if he is lying scum and actually has night actions? Should we really give him another night to use them?

That's a fair enough point.
If his blind does anything other than the vote, he's probably a role blocker I imagine. (makes all actions miss). I personally can suffer a roleblocker to live a day, aslong was he's not still alive once people have started claiming roles and what not.

[wolframnhart]

The other thing is you are hoping that we lynch a scum today, we could unfortunately lynch a townie and let a scum member live another day (this is assuming that iecerint is 100% scum)

[Glork]

Okay, the point I'm trying to get at is this.

If you think he is scum, it shouldn't matter when we lynch him.
If you don't think he is scum, then you shouldn't want him dead at any point.

There are NO grounds for "let's wait a day" or "let's wait until a scum flips" or anything like that. If you are confident enough to want to lynch him on D2 or D3 or whatever, then you should be confident enough to want him lynched NOW.

Frankly, the idea of someone who can make someone not have a vote and put us in lylo sooner is very scary and I do want to lynch him, but I'd still rather here the full description of what blind does. It could be something confirmable for all we know..

That doesn't answer my question.

Do you believe Iece is protown?

[Devotress]

Yah I know. That's why I'm putting a timeframe on this, I'm just requesting people keep him alive for one more day and we try to hit a different scum once, and i'll be willing to lynch him tomorrow (barring unforseen circumstances). I know we can't just keep him alive forever untill we hit scum, but I don't think he'd do too much damage in one night alive, ultros isn't going to have an extra nightkill or anything like that. (if anything ultros' buddy typhoon would have that).

I believe Icerint is ultros. The point of a false death miller claim would be to keep people form making connections based on his death, but you'd have to truthfully claim your rolename for that to work.