Mini 954 ~ Mafia at the 11th Hour (Game Over!)

[d3x]

Gammagooey replaces Maemuki. Welcome him! (or else)

So welcomed.

[VP Baltar]

Sup, chump. Get on the awesome wagon nao.

[Gammagooey]

Give me the short version of why it's so awesome and I just might. Is it the whole "hey I do this as scum" but he also does it as town or is it deeper than that?

[Nikanor]

I think Nikanor is making too big of an issue over Percy taking ~10 hours to make his second post. Percy didn't have to be prodded again, and he gave a reason that sounded reasonable. Besides, the pace and content-level of this game should not be daunting to scum. Nikanor, do your examples include games under similar circumstances to this?

Ehh, no. At least I don't think so.
Actually, wait. This is a game that roughly matches the circumstances here, I believe. I ended up replacing out of that game, though.

What is your experience with Percy? Have you played with him as town before?

My experience with Percy is nil. What does it matter? Do you think that somehow impacts the validity of a point?

To start with, he's come after VP {p26} and Percy {p60} for activity issues which I find ridiculous. Nik overlooked multiple people {myself included} when he went after VP at the top of page 2 for what I'm assuming would be active lurking. Ironic, eh VP?

Again, I noticed that VP was posting elsewhere but not in this thread, so I pointed it out. I'm not pretending that it was a decisive point of evidence or anything, but certainly worthy of notice in my opinion.

This does not feel like RVS joking to me, it feels legit. Couple that with the fact that he backs up the position in p48 {he calls it both evidence and a lead} and we're heading down to UnHappy town. He also skips past his reasoning for ignoring the other lurkers {not so subtley from you in p29 and again in p41 just in case he missed it the first time around}.

a) I don't see how being serious about something is scummy, and b) I never skipped over any reasoning.

He's not saying that these are things ScumPercy does, he's saying that these are things that ScumNik does. He is using his own meta to come after another player for really shaky reasons. Afterall, I could provide the same amount of examples of TownNik doing this behavior {saying "i'll catch up" and then dissappearing until a prod is sent}.

Yeah, and because I do them as scum I assume that everyone does them as scum. That's how I hunt for scum. I think, "What would I do in his position, as scum and as town?" and then make a decision on his scumminess/towniness accordingly.
And I don't ever recall doing this as town.

With the slightest bit of pressure, he backs down from this lurker hunt just like he did before. He then goes after Seraphim for meh reasons, imo.

Lurker hunting on page five fails, that's why. I had better evidence, so I went for it.

Good points from d3x on Nikanor. I think it boils down to "more concerned about posting rather than posts", and his case on Seraphim is all spin.

My case is not spin. My case is mighty fine, if you ask me. Why do you think it is spin?

Also of note in that 2nd link is the fact that this exact situation played out. There were multiple promises of posts and then days would slip by before we heard from him again. Had the Mod been in attendance, prods would've been sent.

Ehh, that game. I tried to forget about that. Such bad memories. That is by far my worst performance as a town role to this date. I won't deny lurking in that game, but that's because I was too stupid and too busy to scumhunt like a normal person.
Anyway, the point is not that I do that exclusively as scum. The point is that I do that as scum five times more often than I do as town.

[Porkens]

Well, after rereading the OP, I see that I'm a failure at life.

I thought that if we hung TM, he'd get his ghost powers and we could see how that worked.

You guys could lynch me, then I'd get ghost powers. I'd be fine with that.

[Jahudo]

What's a ghost power, Porkens?

I think Nikanor is making too big of an issue over Percy taking ~10 hours to make his second post. Percy didn't have to be prodded again, and he gave a reason that sounded reasonable. Besides, the pace and content-level of this game should not be daunting to scum. Nikanor, do your examples include games under similar circumstances to this?

Ehh, no. At least I don't think so.
Actually, wait. This is a game that roughly matches the circumstances here, I believe. I ended up replacing out of that game, though.

What are you trying to show with that game? Both of those scum were posting on page 1. They didn't lurk through the random vote stage.

I noticed that VP was posting elsewhere but not in this thread, so I pointed it out.

That's reasonable by itself. But it starts to look like your going on a general lurker hunt when you bring Percy into the discussion. I guess we could argue semantics over what "catching up ASAP" means, which is literally "as soon as possible", which for him seemed to be 10 hours. If Percy had said "catching up now", that would be more black-and-white. Did you see read into his wording like this, or was there something else that made him stand out from someone like Tony who hadn't posted at all by that point?

Also of note in that 2nd link is the fact that this exact situation played out. There were multiple promises of posts and then days would slip by before we heard from him again. Had the Mod been in attendance, prods would've been sent.

Ehh, that game. I tried to forget about that. Such bad memories. That is by far my worst performance as a town role to this date. I won't deny lurking in that game, but that's because I was too stupid and too busy to scumhunt like a normal person.
Anyway, the point is not that I do that exclusively as scum. The point is that I do that as scum five times more often than I do as town.

Even in the random vote stage?

[VP Baltar]

Give me the short version of why it's so awesome and I just might. Is it the whole "hey I do this as scum" but he also does it as town or is it deeper than that?

lol, noooooooooooo.

It's the whole, "I'm going to attack people over BS" reasoning. His attacks of Percy and myself for lurking when we obv were not stink to high heaven, imo.

Especially when:

My experience with Percy is nil.

I mean, being a few pages in and calling out lurking on someone who says "I'll post as soon as possible" without knowing the person (because Percy does that ALL THE TIME in my experience) is pretty poor scumhunting, imo.

To answer Nik

What does it matter? Do you think that somehow impacts the validity of a point?

Yes, I think it very much impacts it. As I said above, saying "I'm busy, but you can expect a post soon." is pretty much par for the course with Percy. I guess you not knowing him gives you a bit of an excuse, but it's still a pretty poorly fashioned attack.

Again, I noticed that VP was posting elsewhere but not in this thread, so I pointed it out. I'm not pretending that it was a decisive point of evidence or anything, but certainly worthy of notice in my opinion.

The biggest issue was that you clearly weren't looking at context at all. I had just posted in this thread not that long ago and essentially nothing worth mentioning had happened here. Meanwhile, I do have other games that are much more advanced and actually require my attention. I'm not sure if you were just stirring shit to have a discussion going or actually believed the garbage you were saying.

You guys could lynch me, then I'd get ghost powers. I'd be fine with that.

How do you know you'd get powers after you die for sure? Seems to me like the mod was very vague about what would happen in terms of getting powers or even if they'd be useful.

What are your thoughts on Nikanor and Percy?

[Gammagooey]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh Jahudo makes me really paranoid for some reason but I suppose I can afford some lunch on the awesome wagon.

Vote:Nikanor

[Gammagooey]

Bluh I don't remember to unvote

unvote

Vote:Nikanor

[Porkens]

The game is called 11th hour, the OP refers to "One last shot."

maybe I'm reading WAY in-between the lines but...I doubt it?

So lynch whoever, we'll see.

Dramonic is my A+ #1 pick for scum for that "well maaaaybe your town and maaaaybe your not" business, but I'd lynch anyone today.

[d3x]

Unsolicited Thoughts:

Given I've only played the one game with him, but I feel that TownPork was very different in his playstyle than I'm experiencing here. This and the question dodging {multiple requests for his reaction to AwesomeWagon with no direct response} is making me nervous, thus him being on my short list.

[VP Baltar]

Dramonic is my A+ #1 pick for scum for that "well maaaaybe your town and maaaaybe your not" business, but I'd lynch anyone today.

And again, pretty sure it states somewhere that not all powers are going to be useful, so this attitude of 'mislynches are ok because they'll get a power' doesn't really float for me.

Agree with d3x about your question dodging. I didn't ask who your number one pick is, I asked for your thoughts on Nikanor and Percy. Proceed.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unsolicited Thoughts:

Given I've only played the one game with him, but I feel that TownPork was very different in his playstyle than I'm experiencing here.

This and the question dodging {multiple requests for his reaction to AwesomeWagon with no direct response} is making me nervous, thus him being on my short list.

We just got out of a game where you, me, and Porkens were the scum team, so WTF is up with this statement.

[Porkens]

Unsolicited Thoughts:

Given I've only played the one game with him, but I feel that TownPork was very different in his playstyle than I'm experiencing here.

This and the question dodging {multiple requests for his reaction to AwesomeWagon with no direct response} is making me nervous, thus him being on my short list.

We just got out of a game where you, me, and Porkens were the scum team, so WTF is up with this statement.

lol, seriously

Nik and the other guy haven't raised flags for me. I have no read on them as strong as my read on Dramonic.

Misslynches aren't bad on day 1, whether they give powers or not.

[d3x]

We just got out of a game where you, me, and Porkens were the scum team, so WTF is up with this statement.

Really, DDD? Pork was recruited. He didn't start as Scum. I feel that his Town play D1 in this game {for those who are interested} and his play thus far are completely different. I'm not seeing how this is so hard to grasp.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

We just got out of a game where you, me, and Porkens were the scum team, so WTF is up with this statement.

Really, DDD? Pork was recruited. He didn't start as Scum. I feel that his Town play D1 in this game {for those who are interested} and his play thus far are completely different. I'm not seeing how this is so hard to grasp.

He was a traitor who knew who the scum team was and had the scum win condition from the very beginning. In no way, shape, or sense was he town in that game.

[d3x]

He was a traitor who knew who the scum team was and had the scum win condition from the very beginning. In no way, shape, or sense was he town in that game.

<-moron. Lol.

I didn't even read his postmortem PM. I thought it worked like this game where I got to recruit someone who had no idea they were recruitable. It doesn't really change the fact that Pork repeatedly wouldn't answer questions, but as most of my read on him was gut {due to the previous The Fountainhead} he's not as high on my list anymore.

Aside from that, how do you feel about AwesomeWagon?

[dramonic]

Dramonic is my A+ #1 pick for scum for that "well maaaaybe your town and maaaaybe your not" business, but I'd lynch anyone today.

Saying I have no read on him is what I did only in more fun terms. Don't misrep me porkens.

[Porkens]

You rep yourself.

[Porkens]

Unsolicited Thoughts:

Given I've only played the one game with him, but I feel that TownPork was very different in his playstyle than I'm experiencing here. This and the question dodging {multiple requests for his reaction to AwesomeWagon with no direct response} is making me nervous, thus him being on my short list.

could you show me these "multiple requests?"

[d3x]

@Pork

The Case

- d3x p106
I consider this a 'soft request'. I'd expect people to comment on the case one way or the other, but I'm not going to hold that directly against you.

Request #1

- d3x p123

@Pom and Pork- Thoughts on AwesomeWagon?

Pretty straight forward.

Request #2

- VPB p131

What are your thoughts on Nikanor and Percy?

This came directly after talking to/about you. I have no reason to believe he was speaking to anyone else directly.

Also note, you posted between each of these, thus prompting the requests. After your p134 {where you replied to VPB's p131}, I called you out for dodging and VPB seconded. You finally gave your 'no read' answer in p138.

[Gammagooey]

So have some reads-
d3x is scumhuntan, and has good reasons behind his Nik case. His thing about Porkens seems like an honest mistake to me. Town.

I agree with DDD that Tony really hasn't done much except accuse DDD of being scum because of the wagon on him, and Tony's vote on d3x was bad. mild scum read on Tony.

The reasons behind the case on Nik are solid, slightly scummier than Tony.

Jahudo's still makes me paranoid with his going from voting d3x to the person d3x is voting for, but after rereading the questions he asked I think I understand why.
went from gut scum-->neutral

Percy's picture is awesome.

Seraphim isn't here and is almost prod-eligible.


Conclusion: Awesome wagon is currently THE BEST. ARROOOOOOUND.

[VP Baltar]

Conclusion: Awesome wagon is currently THE BEST. ARROOOOOOUND.

Told you. You should stop questioning my judgement! hmph

Though I might be willing to come over to dram if he keeps up this AWESOME active lurking.

[Gammagooey]

Prod for

THE BLOOD GOD

Seraphim please?

Sera-Opinion on Nik would be nice, opinion on Pom would be great if you have one.

[Gammagooey]

Why do I suck at formatting so much I don't even.

@Mod/Vi

: Prod Seraphim please.