Mini 945: Mafia in Bawlmer - GAME OVER

[Ythan]

The fact that he said that does not matter. My accusation wasn't about your opinions differing. Also, OMGUS on Chev.

[MacavityLock]

Also, OMGUS on Chev.

Why is it OMGUS on Chev, but you didn't mention anything about OMGUS when I voted Cyberbob?

Also, why is OMGUS scummy in this situation? I think her vote on me is crap, I have detailed why I think it's crap, and I think she's scummy because of the poor case on me.

[Ythan]

They're two different situations. That's why I didn't call your vote on Bob scummy. But if you want me to review the incident and think it over again I will. As for why OMGUS is scummy, probably because it takes the place of a proper case. I don't like your explanation, and so I think it's bad altogether.

[MacavityLock]

Do you think that Chevre has answered your question satisfactorily? Do you see why her questioning me about, and considering me scummy for the non-hammer post, but did not do the same to Cyberbob and Dizzle is contradictory? Why isn't what I wrote a proper case?

[StrangerCoug]

MacavityLock has made some weak as heck cases on Sidekick and Chevre.

How was my Sidekick case weak? Uselessness and potential quicklynching seem pretty darn good for a Day 1 case. More than 1 person agreed with me on it Day 1.

OK, but what did you contribute to it? Prove that you weren't coattailing others.

[MacavityLock]

Take a look at my iso 1. That's the first vote that occurred on Sidekick. It was semi-random, but it's a valid point, and it stayed pretty valid throughout the day.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, you win the Sidekick case. I'm still dissatisfied with the Chevre case, though.

[Ythan]

I'm expecting Chev to flesh her answer out as I asked, but she hasn't posted since. And as far as your idea of sticking to your RV on SK, if you've been here since '08 I'm sure you know better than that. Show me that SK tends to flake as scum but not town, or she's just a flake, which are a dime a dozen.

[MacavityLock]

I'm expecting Chev to flesh her answer out as I asked, but she hasn't posted since.

After you specfically asked for it, her fleshing out was "Because he is my biggest suspicion." Maybe there's more to it, but she had at least one opportunity to elaborate and chose not to take it.

And as far as your idea of sticking to your RV on SK, if you've been here since '08 I'm sure you know better than that. Show me that SK tends to flake as scum but not town, or she's just a flake, which are a dime a dozen.

I know nothing of Sidekick's meta. But I didn't vote for flaking, I voted for posting non-contributory uselessness, which I have said more than once. Those are two very different things, so now aren't you twisting?

[Ythan]

Flake wasn't the best word for me to use. I still think that what she did is pretty commonplace.

[Cyberbob]

Our interpretations may differ, that's fine. But how was I twisting anything?

Every single bit of "logic" that went into your "interpretation" of my question as a loaded one was some serious twisting of my actual intentions - which were clear and obvious to everyone else except you. "hurf im so smert i can totaly see thr00 ur liez scum!!11 NO DONT ATTACK ME ON THIS IT'S OMGUS AND SUBJECTIVE *votes Chevre in an ironic twist*" is just crap no matter how you slice it.

[Cyberbob]

also coaching vs buddying, you tried to split some pretty fine hairs there and deservedly got shut down for it

[Chevre]

The vote on me is poor, hidden under the guise of "discussion", and when questioned about it, your responses aren't answers, they're brush-offs.

This is a poor vote, but it was an attempt to start discussion (which worked nicely), and you outlined what little suspicion I had on you in your post.

[Dizzle]

So what changed in between your two posts that solidified the vote? Why didn't you just vote in the first place?

xvart.

Well, I didn't vote when I first listed you as a suspect because I wanted to give you a chance to explain your seemingly sudden switch on DC. As for the post you're referencing, I probably shoud have just voted then. Once the next two posters also ignored the question I was asking, I realized that I would have to vote you if I wanted any discussion of your flip to ever occur.

[dramonic]

Apayah is fresh for the prodding.

î yes, this is a post to avoid that same prod but I've no comment worth being made.

[MacavityLock]

This is a poor vote, but it was an attempt to start discussion (which

worked nicely

got responses only from ML or people on ML's wagon

), and you

outlined

shot down

what little suspicion I had on you in your post.

Fixed.

I would love for everybody else (half the game: Apayah, dramonic, Netopalis, xvart, Dizzle) to at least chime in on my wagon and/or my cases on Chevre and Cyberbob.

@mod,

request prods on Neto and Apayah. It's been a week since either of them posted.

[StrangerCoug]

ITT MacavityLock flails like mad.

[Ythan]

I don't like his play but I wouldn't say he's flailing at this point.

[MacavityLock]

I'm the big wagon, I'm at L-2, the L-2 vote on me was made for "discussion purposes", half the game hasn't made their opinions known, and we're less than a week to deadline. That rather aggravates me.

[Ythan]

Fortunately Neto appears to be online.

[Ythan]

Well I saw him post in MD.

[Netopalis]

Yeah, sorry, I forgot about this game until this morning, but I didn't have time to review it then. Let me read through the latest posts and then I'll be right back.

[Ythan]

I don't get how people forget about games. Do you have a load of watched threads or something?

[Netopalis]

Cyberbob is clearly town, especially in the early interactions with DC. It just doesn't look like bussing.

Chevre is potentially scum. Look at his response to DC's post. He doesn't mention the rolefishing and throws out a few easily-rebutted statements or statements with only marginal significance as scummy, then follows it up with a vote. I think it looks like he's scum trying to both distance while giving only minimal ammunition to the town.

Apayah is a null read, as per our earlier discussion. I find it interesting that he hasn't posted since then, though.

StrangerCoug feels scummy to me. He doesn't seem to post too much content that's not a defense.

Xvart is, to me, a fairly strong town read. It looks as if his posts are attuned towards finding scum, and it seems that his posts are more thoughtful about their targets than scum usually are in their posts. Did I miss a case against Xvart? I saw him brought up a few times and no case. If someone has something they'd like me to look at in regards to his posts, I'd be more than happy to.

Dramonic is probably a miller. I feel fairly strongly about that.

Chevre...is interesting. I like most of what he has to say, but his D2 refusal to explain his votes is bad form. He's the lightest of my scum reads.

MacavityLock is very similar to Xvart in terms of my read. I feel that both are likely town.

Dizzle is a player that I really want to find as scum. For the life of me, though, I don't know why. Let's just keep it at a null read for now, and note that I have my eye on him.

Ythan has rectified most of the mistakes of Sidekick and seems to be one of the few players keeping this game alive. Town read.

To summarize, from most town to most scummy:
Netopalis
Dramonic
Cyberbob
Ythan
Xvart
MacavityLock
Apayah
Chevre
Dizzle
Strangercoug

Unvote, vote: Strangercoug

[Netopalis]

I don't get how people forget about games. Do you have a load of watched threads or something?

No, it's finals. I'm generally rather scatterbrained around this time.