Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:17 am

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I can see that it's possible that Ramah "could" be on the side of scum in this game, buuuut... that falls in the position of "lets at least see if something more scummy comes from that direction first" before pushing for a lynch.

and kdub, I can see where you're coming from in a sense (I thought you meant in regards to the Ramah/Ultros difference, which I thought was clear). But my reasoning is that if it doesn't appear scummy, I don't feel it's worth considering a lynch. Therefore just because he's lightning based doesn't mean he's automatically scum. It would need me to see something scummy to place a vote there, or have more solid based evidence that the role could be scum outside of the element they use, which (even if we discount the Ramah thing) is all we have.





Vote Count:

Iecerint: 5
(KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, dramonic, Chronopie, JPSalazar)
PranaDevil: 4
(inHimshallibe, Iecerint, Starbuck, Nautilus)
Glork: 2
(Zodiark13)
Zodiark13: 2
(Devotress, FC Groningen)
Chronopie: 2
(WorseExcuse, bill1148)
bv310: 1
(wolframnhart)
Antifinity: 1
(bv310)

Not Voting:

Antifinity
killa seven
PranaDevil

Lynch:

11 votes.

Deadline:

May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:21 am

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There are still some guys that haven't voted yet, including Prana. How about we ask them to show a piece of their minds first? I would like to see who you expect and why Prana.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:49 am

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FC Groningen wrote:There are still some guys that haven't voted yet, including Prana. How about we ask them to show a piece of their minds first? I would like to see who you expect and why Prana.
I think Prana has shown us plenty of his mind of late. :|
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:45 pm

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inHimshallibe wrote:
FC Groningen wrote:There are still some guys that haven't voted yet, including Prana. How about we ask them to show a piece of their minds first? I would like to see who you expect and why Prana.
I think Prana has shown us plenty of his mind of late. :|
He did, but all he did was respond on the subject of flavor. I don't exactly get who he'd be willing to vote and why. Also, where is your promised reply "after work"?
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:05 pm

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inHimshallibe wrote:
FC Groningen wrote:There are still some guys that haven't voted yet, including Prana. How about we ask them to show a piece of their minds first? I would like to see who you expect and why Prana.
I think Prana has shown us plenty of his mind of late. :|
He did, but all he did was respond on the subject of flavor. I don't exactly get who he'd be willing to vote and why. Also, where is your promised reply "after work"?
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:36 am

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I'm thinking this game has stalled somewhat.

We aren't lynching Ultros, who may or may not have inflicted blind.

Or Ramuh the lightning based elemental summon.

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btw Bahumut Has always been non-elemental/flare, never wind/lightning.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:52 am

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Hey chrono, you missed this from a couple pages back:
Devotress wrote:
bill1148 wrote:
Chronopie wrote: --

I think we should wait a day or two (until we hit scum).

Therefore
Unvote
Chronopie wrote:I agree with Dram here.

That flavour based defense sounds more like: "Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse."

Re-vote: Iecerint
unvote

vote Chronopie


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Chronopie. What changed to make you decide we shouldn't wait a day or two afterall? (note: the quesion isn't "why is icerint scum")
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:20 am

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It was mostly Iecerint's Appeal to Glitch as a flavor based defense, which, as I said, stinks of:
Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse.
i.e. Iecerint had no real defence. baring wifom and irrelevant bug trivia. Thus my suspicions were re-awakened.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:52 am

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But the reason you unvoted him before wasn't because you didn't believe he was scum.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:15 am

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Okay, a quick re-read of things... and Zodiark stands out to me, he came in, had a couple of posts talking about possible characters which didn't really help us any, followed that up with a bunch of nothing posts, and ends with what still amounts to nothing, even more so with using "OMGUS" as a reason why he would be voted by Glork.

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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:46 am

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Two people are due for prods today (Zodiark being one), but I gotta run out real quick. I'll get to 'em when I get back home.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:32 am

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Sorry for not posting, but uni homework, holiday socialising, my mum being due to go into labor any day, and having to babysit my siblings as a result have kept me away from this game. I'm afraid I'm gunna have to call V/LA on this game for about a week, cause I'm behind on my read of this game, and won't have much time till after mum's baby is born.

Three things before I go. First, I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, in which case, ignore it, but Glork's vote isn't contributing to the vote count. At the top of this page, Iecerint has 5 votes, but 6 people voting for him.

Second, has anyone considered the possibility that Iecerint is a jester?

Third,
Unvote

No sense keeping a RVS vote if I'm going V/LA.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:40 am

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Glork is blind. His vote doesn't count.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:23 am

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Oops, I need to post more in this game. I also need to reread...
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:39 am

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@Prana
What is the difference between Zodiarks absence and bv310? or Killa seven for that matter? Is it just the topics that each have/haven't?
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:31 pm

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@Zodiark

I highly doubt that iecerint is a jester. For one, it's a role not used often. For two, a jester would want to be lynched, and I don't see Iecerints posts as him wanting to be lynched.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:40 pm

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PranaDevil wrote:Okay, a quick re-read of things... and Zodiark stands out to me, he came in, had a couple of posts talking about possible characters which didn't really help us any, followed that up with a bunch of nothing posts, and ends with what still amounts to nothing, even more so with using "OMGUS" as a reason why he would be voted by Glork.

vote: Zodiark


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Vote PranaDevil


I don't see why we need to vote for Zodiark, just because he's lurking, especially with more suspicious targets like Glork or Icerint.

Glork, the only reason I suspect you is the blind thing, it just seems far too convenient, and I think it seems likely that if he does have some sort of ability based on the games, then it would be a reaction ability.

The idea that Icerint might be a jester doesn't add up to me, for one, it doesn't fit the flavor, and secondly, his 'only kill me after killing another scum' rule seems to directly go against a goal of being killed as quickly as possibly.[/b]
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:46 pm

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This game has too much flavor and settup speculation and whatevernot.
More wagonning on Prana plz.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:17 pm

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Ultros-jester totally does fit the flavor IMO. But, the problem with Z's speculation is that it does not match my play in this game, unless his implicit argument is that claiming Death Miller is grounds for a policy lynch. And yeah, low background probability, though Death Miller also has a low background probability.

I second the need for more Prana-wagoning.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:28 pm

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Hey guys, ani here. Apparently Paltry has not finished that reread, so I'm coming in to check up with you guys.

Reading the last 3 pages, to make sure I have evrything.

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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:41 pm

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bill is right on Chronopie flip-flopping. In oe post, he FOS's dramonic, then 2 posts later, is happy with him.

Also
FOS: SETUP SPECULATORS
because unles sits been mod confirmed that flavour actually counts for something other than flavour, its always safest to assume it's just flavour.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:38 pm

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wolframnhart wrote:@Prana
What is the difference between Zodiarks absence and bv310? or Killa seven for that matter? Is it just the topics that each have/haven't?
zodiark conveniently went off the radar somewhere on page 5 or 6 after being pressured and the focus went back on Iece.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:47 pm

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FC Groningen wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:@Prana
What is the difference between Zodiarks absence and bv310? or Killa seven for that matter? Is it just the topics that each have/haven't?
zodiark conveniently went off the radar somewhere on page 5 or 6 after being pressured and the focus went back on Iece.
It's worth pointing out that zodiark has posted elsewhere on site too, in the time that he's been avoiding this thread.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:49 pm

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Antifinity wrote:
PranaDevil wrote:Okay, a quick re-read of things... and Zodiark stands out to me, he came in, had a couple of posts talking about possible characters which didn't really help us any, followed that up with a bunch of nothing posts, and ends with what still amounts to nothing, even more so with using "OMGUS" as a reason why he would be voted by Glork.

vote: Zodiark


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I don't see why we need to vote for Zodiark, just because he's lurking, especially with more suspicious targets like Glork or Icerint.

Glork, the only reason I suspect you is the blind thing, it just seems far too convenient, and I think it seems likely that if he does have some sort of ability based on the games, then it would be a reaction ability.

The idea that Icerint might be a jester doesn't add up to me, for one, it doesn't fit the flavor, and secondly, his 'only kill me after killing another scum' rule seems to directly go against a goal of being killed as quickly as possibly.[/b]
Exactly what FC just said... hell, I said it in that post above you, and you just avoided it completely. Zodiark has offered us zero this entire game, but has made it "appear" like he has. That's scummy as far as I'm concerned.

Glork I'm unsure of, as it's possible he was inflicted with blind deliberately. However it's possible it was a reactionary based ability through him attacking someone (Possibly Ultros) at night.

Iecerint, I'm still unsure of, and I definitely don't feel he's a jester, purely because they rarely appear, plus there's the fact that it would be a severely big gamble to claim someone who could be scummy this early on. Again, not going to say he's not scum, and I'm still considering him, and would happily vote for a wagon on either of Glork or Iec, I just feel Zodiark is scummiest right now.

I think some people are wrongly thinking that just because you have your vote in one direction, it doesn't mean you don't consider others to be scummy.

Still,
FoS: Antifinity
for really making a balls up of my reasons for voting Zodiark, and claiming it's all about lurking, instead of the obvious, namely what I actually said.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:01 am

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Then again, it probably won't help a lot to have the vote on a guy that is V/LA for a week.
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