If you are concerned about Tony's power, why don't you volunteer to be run up to L-1 yourself? Why haven't you tried to formulate some sort of plan that involves putting people at L-1? Why weren't you concerned that you may be giving scum extra power (if TM is scum)? Why would you want to give anyone the kind of power as mentioned in the OP?Porkens 120 wrote:I really did want to give Tony his power, but that was before dramonic danced on the fence and thereby put his neck out.
Have you checked any of my games to confirm your suspicions as to whether this is how I play?Nikanor 128 wrote:Anyway, the point is not that I do that exclusively as scum. The point is that I do that as scum five times more often than I do as town.
It is spin, but I'm not going to go into a detailed critique of your case against him; I'll wait for Seraphim to post his thoughts, and then I'll post mine.Nikanor 128 wrote:My case is not spin. My case is mighty fine, if you ask me. Why do you think it is spin?
It's true. Quality > Quantity.VP Baltar 131 wrote:I mean, being a few pages in and calling out lurking on someone who says "I'll post as soon as possible" without knowing the person (because Percy does that ALL THE TIME in my experience) is pretty poor scumhunting, imo.
How will people take his post?Pom wrote:And the smiley makes me feel that he's trying to lighten the mood, so people will take his previous post
Haven't I said I'd hammer anyone day one? get the AW to L-1.d3x wrote:@Pork
The Case- d3x p106
I consider this a 'soft request'. I'd expect people to comment on the case one way or the other, but I'm not going to hold that directly against you.
Request #1- d3x p123Pretty straight forward.@Pom and Pork- Thoughts on AwesomeWagon?
Request #2- VPB p131This came directly after talking to/about you. I have no reason to believe he was speaking to anyone else directly.What are your thoughts on Nikanor and Percy?
Also note, you posted between each of these, thus prompting the requests. After your p134 {where you replied to VPB's p131}, I called you out for dodging and VPB seconded. You finally gave your 'no read' answer in p138.
You'd hammer me, but not vote me?Porkens wrote:I'd hammer you with relish for your last post.
I've already explained why this is scumreasoning, and you've just confirmed it, which is great.Porkens wrote:My reason for voting TM was transparent and straight-forward.
He was the closest to L-1, so I went for the easy road. Soon after that, I said I'd be fine with being at L-1 myself. So...
Anyways.
...andPorkens 77 wrote:Let's give tony his power:
unvote, Vote: TonyMontana
Humour me and explain how your transparent and straight-forward reasoning led you to move your vote from TM to dramonicPorkens 88 wrote:am I already voting for dramonic?
unvote; Vote: Dramonic
only way to be sure.
It isn't.VP Baltar wrote:Pom, explain to me why the dramonic wagon is better than Awesome wagon?
Hey, I have 15 posts so far out of 162, even ignoring the mod you'd expect only 13.5. I'm above average in this game, so shut your trap.VP Baltar wrote:DDD - Do you plan to play this game with your usual level of activity?
Hey Tony, what's up? You don't seem to have much to say since attention turned away from you. What's the deal?
Because the way d3x mentioned something, then Nikanor says that he does it as scum. Well... also, as mentioned previously, I don't like how he decided that his own meta fit Percy.Jahudo wrote:Interesting. It looks like Nikanor is misleading the town here:d3x wrote:Also of note in that 2nd link is the fact that this exact situation played out. There were multiple promises of posts and then days would slip by before we heard from him again. Had the Mod been in attendance, prods would've been sent.Make room on the awesome wagon!Nikanor wrote:What Percy did is exactly what I have a tendency toward doing as scum: posting "Oh, I'll catch up!" and then not actually catching up until I get prodded again. If you want, I could give about five or six examples where I do this as scum.
unvote;
Vote: Nikanor
Assuming that all scum play the same way, when he's never played with Percy previously, as mentioned above.Nikanor wrote:My experience with Percy is nil. What does it matter? Do you think that somehow impacts the validity of a point?VP wrote:What is your experience with Percy? Have you played with him as town before?
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Yeah, and because I do them as scum I assume that everyone does them as scum. That's how I hunt for scum. I think, "What would I do in his position, as scum and as town?" and then make a decision on his scumminess/towniness accordingly.d3x wrote:He's not saying that these are things ScumPercy does, he's saying that these are things that ScumNik does. He is using his own meta to come after another player for really shaky reasons. Afterall, I could provide the same amount of examples of TownNik doing this behavior {saying "i'll catch up" and then dissappearing until a prod is sent}.
And I don't ever recall doing this as town.
Jahudo wrote:What are you trying to show with that game? Both of those scum were posting on page 1. They didn't lurk through the random vote stage.Nikanor wrote:Ehh, no. At least I don't think so.Jahudo wrote:I think Nikanor is making too big of an issue over Percy taking ~10 hours to make his second post. Percy didn't have to be prodded again, and he gave a reason that sounded reasonable. Besides, the pace and content-level of this game should not be daunting to scum. Nikanor, do your examples include games under similar circumstances to this?
Actually, wait. This is a game that roughly matches the circumstances here, I believe. I ended up replacing out of that game, though.
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Even in the random vote stage?Nikanor wrote:Ehh, that game. I tried to forget about that. Such bad memories. That is by far my worst performance as a town role to this date. I won't deny lurking in that game, but that's because I was too stupid and too busy to scumhunt like a normal person.d3x wrote:Also of note in that 2nd link is the fact that this exact situation played out. There were multiple promises of posts and then days would slip by before we heard from him again. Had the Mod been in attendance, prods would've been sent.
Anyway, the point is not that I do that exclusively as scum. The point is that I do that as scum five times more often than I do as town.
If he doesn't have personal experience with a player then how else is he supposed to determine if they're scum other than relying on generalized behaviors? We all look for generalized actions and behaviors that we associate with a higher probability of a player being scum because that's what scumhunting is.Pomegranate wrote:Assuming that all scum play the same way, when he's never played with Percy previously, as mentioned above.
But he's not really relying on generalized behavior, from the way he put it. He's relying on personal behavior.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:If he doesn't have personal experience with a player then how else is he supposed to determine if they're scum other than relying on generalized behaviors? We all look for generalized actions and behaviors that we associate with a higher probability of a player being scum because that's what scumhunting is.Pomegranate wrote:Assuming that all scum play the same way, when he's never played with Percy previously, as mentioned above.
I can't believe this is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.
So he's generalizing from his personal behavior? So what? I absolutely do that at times; "here's what I would do as scum in this situation does this person's behavior match my expectations"? You can argue his conclusions are wrong, but I absolutely see nothing in that logical process that indicates scum.Pomegranate wrote:But he's not really relying on generalized behavior, from the way he put it. He's relying on personal behavior.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:If he doesn't have personal experience with a player then how else is he supposed to determine if they're scum other than relying on generalized behaviors? We all look for generalized actions and behaviors that we associate with a higher probability of a player being scum because that's what scumhunting is.Pomegranate wrote:Assuming that all scum play the same way, when he's never played with Percy previously, as mentioned above.
I can't believe this is the wagon a plurality of the town is pushing while simultaneously enabling Tony to do nothing.
