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PranaDevil Mafia Scum
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Zang Mafia Scum
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DrippingGoofball Mafia Piñata
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Faraday is town.
Parama is town.
CryMeARiver is town.
Budja is town-ish.
mb53 is town.
SerialClergyman is town.
Pomegranate is town.
SAMP is town.
PranaDevil is neutral.
Sando is weird.
manho is scum.
Fate is weird. Scummy weird.
sorasgoof is scum.
Porkens is scum.
Hoopla is scum.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Zang Mafia Scum
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You forgot somebodyDrippingGoofball wrote:Faraday is town.
Parama is town.
CryMeARiver is town.
Budja is town-ish.
mb53 is town.
SerialClergyman is town.
Pomegranate is town.
SAMP is town.
PranaDevil is neutral.
Sando is weird.
manho is scum.
Fate is weird. Scummy weird.
sorasgoof is scum.
Porkens is scum.
Hoopla is scum.(\_/)
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manho Mafia Scum
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Parama Survivor
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I like Socrates' massclaim theory. And tbh logic puzzles are easier than scumhunting.
The issue with your argument heremanho wrote:and i also don't see the reason for the wagon on me. parama has said something about my first 4 posts, but i've also explained them.
1. You should NEVER need to explain why you posted something - anyone reading it knows why, making up a different story gets you caught.
2. On that note, scum can lie - the "reason" you posted may very well be a fib.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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manho Mafia Scum
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Parama Survivor
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I made the reasons pretty clear.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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PranaDevil Mafia Scum
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There's nothing in the janitor role that states the janitor will get to know the person's role either. Thereby negating that reason to push for a mass claim that will wipe out some of our exceptionally useful roles early on.
Plus, if scum do have the vigs, that means 2 kills on night 1, and night 2, and if they have the jailkeeper too, it would mean it could prevent other pro-town roles from working.
I honestly feel a mass claim is better in a few days at the very least, that way the cop can say whether or not someone is actually innocent or not (if there is suspicion in their direction), same goes for the weak doc, watcher, tracker etc.-
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manho Mafia Scum
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there are no such reasons in the thread, so you can't prove that i'm not reading the thread. and even a RVS vote without reading the thread is not a scum tell.Parama wrote:
'cause he's scum.PranaDevil wrote:Also why are your last four posts all over the place? You go from wondering why I'm wagoned, to voting for me, to unvoting me again, with sod all in between.
I called him as scum before he even posted - glad to see my suspicions are correct!
What manho has done thus far:
1. RVS vote without reading the thread ("why are prana and sorasgoof wagoned?")
that's a misrep. and questioning such an issue is actually pro-town as it arouse discussion.2. Questioning the usefulness of massclaim - trying to say it's a bad idea
so can you tell me prana's meaning of that post? i still can't get it and prana didn't seem like telling me. so why am i scummy for asking for that clarification?3. Wagon vote + misrep of Prana
that's not an ad hom. and the later part of this quote is just a wild guess. you can add in a scum motivation on almost every post in a mafia game.4. Ad hom reason to unvote now that he realizes the Prana wagon died before he hopped on it.-
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manho Mafia Scum
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i've been so used to those closed game in another forum where all night-killed players' role are known by scum only. i didn't realise that.PranaDevil wrote:There's nothing in the janitor role that states the janitor will get to know the person's role either. Thereby negating that reason to push for a mass claim that will wipe out some of our exceptionally useful roles early on.
scum-vig can only make the kill approved by the town, and jailkeeper can only use the power on scummy player, approved by town also, if we are going to have a massclaim. so scums really don't have those additional power if we have the massclaim day 1.Plus, if scum do have the vigs, that means 2 kills on night 1, and night 2, and if they have the jailkeeper too, it would mean it could prevent other pro-town roles from working.-
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Faraday ...should I be here?
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this game is stupid.
why are people claiming when mass claim hasn't been revealed on? either we get a majority to agree and do it, or we don't. half way mass claims are utterly retarded, and we porbably should have found out before people started claiming vanilla.
i think fate could be town btw. serial's okay so far too.
if i've missed where mass claim was agreed on feel free to point it out.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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PranaDevil Mafia Scum
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But it's not, really, because they can still kill who "we" tell them to as long as they're mainly hitting pro-town, but if we want them to hit scum, there's nothing to say they'll try getting out of it somehow. (I'd give ways I can think up, but then it allows scum to know some ideas for future, and I refuse to have that).
Like I say, stalling a couple of days helps town much more than it doesn't, because then we have information regarding some players before we get to mass claim, so if someone claims a role and that they did "such and such" but the tracker or watcher knows they did something else/nothing at all, we know we have us a liar right there.-
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yeah, but as they take out all the juicy targets they lock themselves into the obv-lynch position. Say Soras is scum. If the second, third, fourth and fifth on the list all wind up NK, that really isnt going to look too good on Sora's resumee.SerialClergyman wrote:Am I blind or the only one that can see???
WHY WOULD THEY DO ANY OF THIS?? Say manho claims vig. Does that make him scum or town? If the scum have a vig, they have no reason not to admit it. In fact, it probably makes them less likely to be lynched....Of course scum would lie. They'll try to hide the vig so that they can get more nights of killing with it. They'll try to guess at a role above them and say "vanilla for cop" for instance if they are in fact one of the vigs, so it would take longer for us to find them. Of course that's a gambit hoping the cop is above them, etc.
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If I were scum, I wouln't try to guess at anything. I'd just SAY MY ROLE. And then kill all of the juiciest ones above me.
However, it does build a nice kill list for the scum, especially if no one took doctor again :S
I'm for the claim but not today.I'm a hoot
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Parama Survivor
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[/quote]manho wrote:
there are no such reasons in the thread, so you can't prove that i'm not reading the thread. and even a RVS vote without reading the thread is not a scum tell.Parama wrote: What manho has done thus far:
1. RVS vote without reading the thread ("why are prana and sorasgoof wagoned?")
There were most certainly reasons in-thread and even some in the pre-game thread. And not reading the thread while still posting an RVS vote... well, what if RVS had ended? What would your vote look like then?
It's not a misrep since it's what you implied even if you didn't say it.manho wrote:
that's a misrep. and questioning such an issue is actually pro-town as it arouse discussion.Parama wrote:2. Questioning the usefulness of massclaim - trying to say it's a bad idea
Your post was just complete and total misrep, don't deny it.manho wrote:
so can you tell me prana's meaning of that post? i still can't get it and prana didn't seem like telling me. so why am i scummy for asking for that clarification?Parama wrote:3. Wagon vote + misrep of Prana
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that's not an ad hom. and the later part of this quote is just a wild guess. you can add in a scum motivation on almost every post in a mafia game.Parama wrote:4. Ad hom reason to unvote now that he realizes the Prana wagon died before he hopped on it.
"prana is more likely a stupid townie" <--- attacking the player themself, thus ad hom, though it's a weird reverse thing where you used it to unvote. But that's really not a good reason to unvote - it just looks like jumping off a wagon after realizing it had broken down.
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Care to explain?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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manho Mafia Scum
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i admit to have only skim through the thread, and want to ask for a short summary on their wagon. but it isn't a scum tell. why are scum more likely to cast a random vote without reading the thread?Parama wrote:
There were most certainly reasons in-thread and even some in the pre-game thread. And not reading the thread while still posting an RVS vote... well, what if RVS had ended? What would your vote look like then?manho wrote:
there are no such reasons in the thread, so you can't prove that i'm not reading the thread. and even a RVS vote without reading the thread is not a scum tell.Parama wrote: What manho has done thus far:
1. RVS vote without reading the thread ("why are prana and sorasgoof wagoned?")
why is "trying to say a massclaim is a bad idea" a scum tell? and questioning such an issue is actually pro-town as it arouse discussion.Parama wrote:
It's not a misrep since it's what you implied even if you didn't say it.manho wrote:
that's a misrep. and questioning such an issue is actually pro-town as it arouse discussion.Parama wrote:2. Questioning the usefulness of massclaim - trying to say it's a bad idea
if you know it is a misrep, then you should know prana's original meaning. so tell me what prana mean in that post.Parama wrote:
Your post was just complete and total misrep, don't deny it.manho wrote:
so can you tell me prana's meaning of that post? i still can't get it and prana didn't seem like telling me. so why am i scummy for asking for that clarification?Parama wrote:3. Wagon vote + misrep of Prana
an ad hom is to disprove someone's claim by attacking that person himself. i attacked prana for being a stupid townie, but i didn't say his claim is wrong. assuming my interputation, which's in my 4th post, is right, then prana claim that a player picking neighborizer is either stupid townie or clever scum. i think that he's not a clever player, thus not a clever scum, thus a stupid townie by deduction.Parama wrote:
"prana is more likely a stupid townie" <--- attacking the player themself, thus ad hom, though it's a weird reverse thing where you used it to unvote. But that's really not a good reason to unvote - it just looks like jumping off a wagon after realizing it had broken down.manho wrote:
that's not an ad hom. and the later part of this quote is just a wild guess. you can add in a scum motivation on almost every post in a mafia game.Parama wrote:4. Ad hom reason to unvote now that he realizes the Prana wagon died before he hopped on it.-
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Hoopla wrote:##Unvote, vote: Parama##Unvote, ##vote: Hoopla
OMGUSShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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manho Mafia Scum
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Hoopla wrote:Unvote, vote: Porkens
Eerily akin to the classic "FOS buddy, vote townie" scumtell.Hoopla wrote:Unvote, vote: Parama
Hoopla is scum, but I've already cleared that up.
Also, Porkens is scum. Also called earlier on.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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