Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[PranaDevil]

I dunno, the fact he brought up the Jester thing is somewhat suspect to me "Don't vote Iec, he could be another role that means he wins the game" Entirely possible it's an attempt to cover for a scum buddy.

I still feel a Zodiark lynch would be good for town.

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Vote Count:

Iecerint: 5

(KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, dramonic, Chronopie, JPSalazar)

PranaDevil: 5

(inHimshallibe, Iecerint, Starbuck, Nautilus, Antifinity)

Zodiark13: 3

(Devotress, FC Groningen, PranaDevil)

Chronopie: 2

(WorseExcuse, bill1148)

Glork: 1

bv310: 1

(wolframnhart)

Antifinity: 1

(bv310)

Not Voting:

killa seven
Zodiark13

Lynch:

11 votes.

Deadline:

May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST

[dramonic]

Iece agrees too much with everything we propose, its unnerving me.
Zodiark is, once again, not bringing anything of actual worth to the table.
Is there any intelligent reason to not lynch a jester? WCS he wins and the game goes on. boo-hoo-hoo

[Glork]

Is there any intelligent reason to not lynch a jester? WCS he wins and the game goes on. boo-hoo-hoo

It's widely considered to be a waste of a day.

I am disinclined to believe in the existence of a Jester in the game, but I have no substantial reasoning behind it.

I could support an Antifinity wagon. Still don't like his "attack" on me.

Also, Ani's mass FoS of essentially everybody is terribad. Name names if you think people are suspicions, but don't hide behind "FOS SETUP SPECULATORS." That adds nothing of value to the discussion.

[Kdub]

Eh, jester is probably as likely as a death miller.

I'm afraid I'm gunna have to call V/LA on this game for about a week, cause I'm behind on my read of this game

It's worth pointing out that zodiark has posted elsewhere on site too, in the time that he's been avoiding this thread.

Unvote
Vote: Zodiark13

I'm moving into the camp of those who thinks we should save Iecerint for tomorrow. Zodiark's play has been more suspicious.

[Chronopie]

if he's been posting elsewhere, that's cause for an accusation of active lurking. Are we policy lynching now?

Unvote, Vote: Zodiark

bw go

[Antifinity]

How do you check that he has been posting elsewhere? Is there a button... or?

[bv310]

You can check on msutils.net

[PranaDevil]

you can also check GD where he's asking for a new avatar as well. Him be alive and well (although my initial point at the time was he had vanished prior to his V/LA, and others brought up that he had been posting even prior to that V/LA he gave, which is suspect to begin with, as is his sudden disappearing act after people mention he's been acting scummy).

[Chronopie]

Lets all policy lynch the lurker. Just six more votes.

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But seriously. he claims V/LA and posts in other places? That's not on. Not at all.

[Iecerint]

If he's active elsewhere as people have indicated, that doesn't look good.

Unvote; Vote: Zodiark

[bv310]

I don't agree with policy lynches, except in extreme circumstances. Posting in GD for an avatar while on V/LA is one of those.

Unvote, Vote: Zodiark

[Iecerint]

I think the present circumstances don't really indicate a "policy lynch."

[Chronopie]

Posting elsewhere = active
Not posting here = Lurker

Active lurker = policy lynch via LaL.

[Antifinity]

The one rational reason for this behavior would be some sort of Day Action "Mute" spell, and that seems rather unlikely.

unvote, vote Zodiark

[Chronopie]

He'd been posting earlier, so you think its possibly some sort of day power?

Fos: Antifinity

That would be the most anti-town, bastardy-mod role ever *. and this isn't a bastard game. I think probability = 0

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He

claimed

v/la, and posted elsewhere w/out checking in/posting here. so is active lurking

therefore he is a lynch target under the Lynch all Lurkers policy.

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*Don't necessarily take this statement literally

[wolframnhart]

unvote, vote Zodiark13

I agree. If you say you are V/LA but are posting elsewhere, there is just no reasoning to that.

[Nautilius]

Iec...

Zodiark's "maybe he's a jester comment", if he's scum, heavily connects him to you. The only scum motive I see to that is to save his partner. So, if he flips scum, why isn't he your partner?

If he's active elsewhere as people have indicated, that doesn't look good. Unvote; Vote: Zodiark

And you failed to check it yourself... why...?

[Glork]

Zodiarkwagon is :goodposting:... let's make the fucker claim when he gets back.


Still like Iece and Antifinity as alternates, but I'm digging this wagon.

[Kdub]

According to a search, Zodiark posted in this thread on the morning of the 13th (his OMGUS accusation of Glork), then posted in other threads that night, the following morning (he even /inned for a new game on the 14th), and at two separate times on the 15th. His next post in this game was yesterday (announcing V/LA) and then he posted in another thread again today.

Let's get some more Zodiark votes. I bet he "returns early" from his V/LA if we get him close to a lynch.

[Iecerint]

Zodiark's "maybe he's a jester comment", if he's scum, heavily connects him to you. The only scum motive I see to that is to save his partner. So, if he flips scum, why isn't he your partner?

Am I in a better position to evaluate that than you? Why are you asking me? (For example, is it just rhetorical?)

If he's active elsewhere as people have indicated, that doesn't look good. Unvote; Vote: Zodiark

And you failed to check it yourself... why...?

Nah, I checked with msutils and saw other places he'd been posting. I didn't go through and evaluate each of the posts for content individually, though.

[Starbuck]

On Devotress

The intent isn't to set up a future incerint lynch but to put off an Icerint lynch people are trying to get happening today, there is a difference in that.

Not to say I don't want to lynch him tomorrow. But the whole "let's lynch him tomorrow" thing came out of me wanting to avoid messing up on a death miller and having false info.

There is no difference. You are still trying to set up a lynch.

You are just trying to pussyfoot around the reasoning now.

On PranaDevil

How is it flimsy? Besides the flavor clearly stating it, did you not take elementary science? What happens when a lightning bolt hits ANYTHING?

That's beside the point, it's flimsy because he's claimed sodding Ramah! It hasn't been contested (and if he's lying... no, the real one shouldn't step forward until it's worth doing so), and thus he's not going to be scum in this game. Thus it's flimsy logic to focus on a good guy.

I've already stated once that I am not familiar with the flavor in this game. So you ranting on about who someone claimed is not going to help me understand where you are coming from.

It's not good to assume that just because someone hasn't been counterclaimed that they are being true. It's Day 1.

It's also not a good idea to assume that good guys are immediately good and vice versa, especially since this is a Kise game.


Your supposed "case" and "vote" on Zodiark in Post 259 lacks all stability and I'll tell you why.

Okay, a quick re-read of things... and Zodiark stands out to me, he came in, had a couple of posts talking about possible characters which didn't really help us any

How and why didn't it help us any?

followed that up with a bunch of nothing posts, and ends with what still amounts to nothing

What exactly?

even more so with using "OMGUS" as a reason why he would be voted by Glork.

Why?

Zodiark has offered us zero this entire game, but has made it "appear" like he has. That's scummy as far as I'm concerned.

Where? Do you have specific examples?


Also, did you answer this question from Wolf yet?

@Prana
What is the difference between Zodiarks absence and bv310? or Killa seven for that matter? Is it just the topics that each have/haven't?

It probably seems like I'm questioning Prana hard, and I am. It feels opportunistic to me because he jumped all over Zodiark's ass, but hasn't provided any examples or any questions towards Zodiark.

[FC Groningen]

According to a search, Zodiark posted in this thread on the morning of the 13th (his OMGUS accusation of Glork), then posted in other threads that night, the following morning (he even /inned for a new game on the 14th), and at two separate times on the 15th. His next post in this game was yesterday (announcing V/LA) and then he posted in another thread again today.

Let's get some more Zodiark votes. I bet he "returns early" from his V/LA if we get him close to a lynch.

He is at L-2 already. Don't hammer him before he gets a chance to respond.

[Devotress]

On Devotress

The intent isn't to set up a future incerint lynch but to put off an Icerint lynch people are trying to get happening today, there is a difference in that.

Not to say I don't want to lynch him tomorrow. But the whole "let's lynch him tomorrow" thing came out of me wanting to avoid messing up on a death miller and having false info.

There is no difference. You are still trying to set up a lynch.

You are just trying to pussyfoot around the reasoning now.

Except I'm not, you're just blindly ignoring the reasoning. There's an obvious different intent between "hey let's hold off on lynching the guy who claimed he's a death miller who would flip accurately only after a scum is killed" and "hey let's lynch this guy but not untill tomorrow."


Also posting to say I'm glad the zodiark wagon built this steam.



@chronopie, I still want you to adress the whole Icerint thing.

You unvoted icerint because you agreed it was smart to avoid lynching him for a day or two, not because you no longer believed he was scummy. When you hopped back on the icerint wagon, your reasoning was that he was scummy.
But that was never the reason you unvoted him, so I'd like you to clarify what happened there. Not "why is icerint scummy". but, "why is it okay to lynch him now without waiting to hit a different scum, when before you thought it wasn't?"

[Chronopie]

It was mostly Iecerint's Appeal to Glitch as a flavor based defense, which, as I said, stinks of:

Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse.

i.e. Iecerint had no real defence. baring wifom and irrelevant bug trivia. Thus my suspicions were re-awakened.

This should look familiar. It's what I posted last time you asked that question.

[Chronopie]

Basically, with his appeal to glitch he went back to looking scummy. i.e lynchable, instead of waiting.