Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[inHimshallibe]

This is a super long-coming satellite delay; I'm really sorry.

The good/bad nature of ANY character from the video games has

NOTHING

to do with their alignment in this game. The only use for flavor is to figure out who committed what actions, or who may be lying about their own actions.

I don't disagree with you in principle, but you're overstating it a little. Namely, it's not impossible that scum lack fakeclaims in a mini where the number of potentials roles are as large as this, and pro-town roles in-game tend on average to map onto pro-town on MS (high profile exception like HP mafia sort-of notwithstanding).

I guess I draw different lines when it comes to flavor discussions. I've seen more than enough games go both ways that I never head into a game with premonitions that "good = protown" (or otherwise, for that matter). Even if site meta says "good guys tend to be protown," I feel that each game is independent of the last. I don't think a sitewide meta applies to this particular issue, but we may have to agree to disagree.

Pretty sure this is the only post of Glork's that would cause any bit of paranoia; having restated his point a few times, I can feel a possible "BG in video game, but GG in mafia game" claim set-up. The rest of his play seems pro-town to me, nothing to be alarmed about.

More to come. PD gets worse with each post.

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Vote Count:

Zodiark13: 9

(Devotress, FC Groningen, PranaDevil, KDub, Chronopie, Iecerint, bv310, Antifinity, wolframnhart)

PranaDevil: 3

(inHimshallibe, Starbuck, Nautilus)

Iecerint: 2

(Glork, dramonic, JPSalazar)

Chronopie: 1

(WorseExcuse)

Glork: 1

Not Voting:

bill1148
killa seven
MehPlusRawr
Zodiark13

Lynch:

11 votes.

Deadline:

May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST

[inHimshallibe]

It's like you're saying flavour in one direction is "good" and flavour in another direction is "bad".

But aren't you saying the same thing, just in the opposite sense? You are saying someone is likely town for flavor reasons (they claimed a good guy), then you say other flavor (the lightning thing) is not a good reason to suspect him. That is what I was getting at.

FWIW, I don't really agree with Glork's argument here. We have evidence from the flips of two players that alignment in this game is related to flavor. It's not proof that all characters follow this, but it's more likely than not.

Kdub +town points here.

There are still some guys that haven't voted yet, including Prana. How about we ask them to show a piece of their minds first? I would like to see who you expect and why Prana.

I think Prana has shown us plenty of his mind of late.

He did, but all he did was respond on the subject of flavor. I don't exactly get who he'd be willing to vote and why. Also, where is your promised reply "after work"?

Sorry about not responding until now. I'm in line for a transfer to Nashville, which is really more exciting and pressing of an issue at this time. Response coming now.

I'm not sure I like how you're asking for other opinions here without giving much of your own.

It was mostly Iecerint's Appeal to Glitch as a flavor based defense, which, as I said, stinks of:

Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse.

i.e. Iecerint had no real defence. baring wifom and irrelevant bug trivia. Thus my suspicions were re-awakened.

Totally baseless, and putting words into another player's mouth.

Okay, a quick re-read of things... and Zodiark stands out to me, he came in, had a couple of posts talking about possible characters which didn't really help us any, followed that up with a bunch of nothing posts, and ends with what still amounts to nothing, even more so with using "OMGUS" as a reason why he would be voted by Glork.

vote: Zodiark

Been MIA since Tuesday morning, and hasn't really contributed as yet.

Not where I would expect a scum to go, to be quite honest. Rethinking my :stonecoldlock: for a bit...

[inHimshallibe]

bill is right on Chronopie flip-flopping. In oe post, he FOS's dramonic, then 2 posts later, is happy with him.

Also

FOS: SETUP SPECULATORS

because unles sits been mod confirmed that flavour actually counts for something other than flavour, its always safest to assume it's just flavour.

FOSing setup speculators is too easy. Stop being lazy town, or give us one of your partner's names, imo.

Okay, a quick re-read of things... and Zodiark stands out to me, he came in, had a couple of posts talking about possible characters which didn't really help us any, followed that up with a bunch of nothing posts, and ends with what still amounts to nothing, even more so with using "OMGUS" as a reason why he would be voted by Glork.

vote: Zodiark

Been MIA since Tuesday morning, and hasn't really contributed as yet.

Vote PranaDevil

I don't see why we need to vote for Zodiark, just because he's lurking, especially with more suspicious targets like Glork or Icerint.

Glork, the only reason I suspect you is the blind thing, it just seems far too convenient, and I think it seems likely that if he does have some sort of ability based on the games, then it would be a reaction ability.

The idea that Icerint might be a jester doesn't add up to me, for one, it doesn't fit the flavor, and secondly, his 'only kill me after killing another scum' rule seems to directly go against a goal of being killed as quickly as possibly.[/b]

Exactly what FC just said... hell, I said it in that post above you, and you just avoided it completely. Zodiark has offered us zero this entire game, but has made it "appear" like he has. That's scummy as far as I'm concerned.

Glork I'm unsure of, as it's possible he was inflicted with blind deliberately. However it's possible it was a reactionary based ability through him attacking someone (Possibly Ultros) at night.

Iecerint, I'm still unsure of, and I definitely don't feel he's a jester, purely because they rarely appear, plus there's the fact that it would be a severely big gamble to claim someone who could be scummy this early on. Again, not going to say he's not scum, and I'm still considering him, and would happily vote for a wagon on either of Glork or Iec, I just feel Zodiark is scummiest right now.

I think some people are wrongly thinking that just because you have your vote in one direction, it doesn't mean you don't consider others to be scummy.

Still,

FoS: Antifinity

for really making a balls up of my reasons for voting Zodiark, and claiming it's all about lurking, instead of the obvious, namely what I actually said.

Oh, nevermind. PD still probable scum. Make up your mind more often, tia.

if he's been posting elsewhere, that's cause for an accusation of active lurking. Are we policy lynching now?

Unvote, Vote: Zodiark

bw go

If I'm voting for anyone else Today, it's this guy.

Zodiarkwagon is :goodposting:... let's make the fucker claim when he gets back.


Still like Iece and Antifinity as alternates, but I'm digging this wagon.

See, I

don't

like the Zodiarkwagon. Seems way, way too lazy of a lynch. I guess we'll have good info on the runup. That middle run has at least one scum, probz two.

Also, your vote?

[inHimshallibe]

Well caught up, and I see the Townie claim.

Zodiark, give me the name of three scum.

[Devotress]

I still don't like chronopie's answer. I personally don't buy the idea that one comment by icerint changes the whole concept that it was better to wait a day or two to vote him off.

I'm still happy with my vote on Zodiark right now though, he feels like he's just waiting around to get lynched.

Now, is there anything I can do to prove I'm town?

Zodiark, give me the name of three scum.

Just to restate this. The best way to convince us you're not scum is to give us someone more scummy.

[dramonic]

Not saying it is an unreasonable claim, but didn't we conclude that FFXIII wasn't one of the settings, based on the list at the start?

Then by this logic, Biggs can't be in this game, as 'The Planet' wasn't in this list. I was actually considering claiming that my role was from 13 to prove this idea false.

Oh dont be a moron, Biggs originated is in FF6-7-8, while Rygdea is only in FF13.
Also, AFAIK Rygdea's an officer, not a captain.

I'm going to hammer shortly, unless someone opposes it.

[Devotress]

No one objected to the Ultros claim's viability as existing in this game, and I don't think FF6's world even has a name to appear on the list does it?

[dramonic]

Well, ff1 through 8 dont have names per se and we've multiple claims to support existence of these realms anyways (ifrit, ramuh, ultros, rosa)

Unless you think that's the whole group of scum we have to assume that nameless are included

Meanwhile, FF13 world has a specific name that does NOT appear in the OP.

[Devotress]

Since the mod has included characters from nameless worlds, I don't think we should make an assumption that those names at the begining ment anything other then examples for dramatic effect.



Not arguing this point for zodiarks sake, but for the sake of someone else who claims to be Vanille or whatever 3 Days from now.

[dramonic]

If you claim to be Vanilla Vanille I'll find you dubious at best
I'll give him a bit of time to answer IHSIB's question, but after that it's bubye.

[Devotress]

If I was making a final fantasy mafia game I'd have vanille be a role blocker who distracts people with her running animation.

[Kdub]

Zodiark, if you have no time to post in this game, why did you sign up for a new game on the 14th?

[MehPlusRawr]

Zodiark, if you have no time to post in this game, why did you sign up for a new game on the 14th?

Now THAT would be a good question.

Please answer it, Zodiark.

[Iecerint]

Rygdea is a captain.

[inHimshallibe]

Is Zodiark's character a notable figure in FFXIII?

[Iecerint]

No. He's a really really minor character who appears in a handful of scenes. I personally wouldn't have included him if I'd made this game, but ye never know, etc.

[FC Groningen]

Actually, Zodiark might not post for another 5 days or something. Not saying that we should hammer, but in case we aren't, we should be prepared to wait 5 days or something before we'd get a reply.

About his claim, its as safe at it can be.

To Inhim: Put me in ISO and you will see I made both cases on people and had an opinion on the matter of Zodiark so I don't see how I didn't share my opinion.

[Nautilius]

Same head as before still thinks Zod is town.

Zodiark13: 10 (Devotress, FC Groningen, PranaDevil, KDub, Chronopie, Iecerint, bv310, Antifinity, wolframnhart, Starbuck)

I be there are tons of scum bunched up in that list. My only town reads there right now are Devo, Groni, and Yerk.

Happy with my vote.

[inHimshallibe]

The claim sounds like it could be coming from a FF fan that wants to make sure he doesn't draw a counter.

Are we ready to close discussion?

[Kise]

I will replace killa seven if he hasn't opened his prod by some time Thursday. If he does open it, I'll wait and see how he acts on it.

This stupid library computer keeps saying this game contains pornographic material, so it's blocking page 14 now, of all pages. I can't update the votecount because I don't know who's done what. Tomorrow I'll be on a 'smarter' computer...

No one posted porn, right?

[dramonic]

I woudlt qualify him above officer before like, chapter 12, but whatever floats your boat.

Also, I honestly dont feel like waiting another 3 days.

unvote
vote: Zodiark

I feel no qualm with having done this.

[Chronopie]

So while we wait for Kise to get to a smarter computer, who are everyone's top scum picks?

Mine are Iecerint or Glork. and ani/paltry (WorseExcuse)

[Iecerint]

Prana, I suppose. I would've preferred his lynch if Z hadn't evidenced scummy activity patterns.

[Antifinity]

I'm highly suspicious of Icerint or Glork, especially Glork, but I can't imagine them as both being scum.

[Kdub]

I suspect Iecerint for the Ultros thing, but I don't see Glork as particularly suspicious. Can someone summarize the case on him?