Star Wars Mafia (Game Over)

Kast · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:33 am

Vote: hp

-Bulletproof only half explains your uncooperative attitude. If you know you won't die, then sure you don't need to claim or share final thoughts.

However, if you are town, you should have claimed so I don't waste a kill. If you really believed I was an SK, then obviously I would listen to a bulletproof claim and I wouldn't care about who I shot.

-Bulletproof is NOT a town role that is better unclaimed. It gets revealed immediately anyway and revealing it early doesn't harm town in any way. The same is not true for scum, so perhaps you were just talking from your PoV without considering it from a town PoV.

-I find hp more likely to be a GF than SK. It makes his odd request for whether he should claim make a whole lot more sense.

danakillsu · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:36 am

That's L-2. I would suggest waiting for a fullclaim from hp[leaves] before anymore votes on him. hp, go right ahead...

hp [leaves] · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:45 am

Kast wrote:However, if you are town, you should have claimed so I don't waste a kill. If you really believed I was an SK, then obviously I would listen to a bulletproof claim and I wouldn't care about who I shot.

Soaking up a scum kill is good. I effectively saved a townie getting killed by you today.

Kast wrote:-Bulletproof is NOT a town role that is better unclaimed. It gets revealed immediately anyway and revealing it early doesn't harm town in any way. The same is not true for scum, so perhaps you were just talking from your PoV without considering it from a town PoV.

I reply to your quote with a Tar quote:

Tar wrote:Bulletproof Claim - Bulletproof claims always come from scum. Always, ALWAYS come from scum. Lynch such claims on sight. Yes, even if they come from a player who's been Mod-confirmed Town in the thread. It's not worth the risk.

I would lynch myself if I claimed before it was verified. Seriously.

Kast · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:52 am

Soaking up a scum kill is good. I effectively saved a townie getting killed by you today.

You effectively limited town from gaining concrete information to use in D1. You prevented town from effectively having a second lynch. Congratz, your mafia buddies must be proud of you.

-You don't like relevance do you?

hp [leaves] · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:53 am

I'm actually still not sure why you're still trying to lynch me.

Kast · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:58 am

-You are extremely anti-town and pretty scummy. As per previous posts.
-You are quite probably a mafia GF/less likely but possibly an SK.
-If you are somehow a bulletproof townie, you have not been and show no intention of playing to help town win.

danakillsu · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:05 am

I would lynch myself if I claimed before it was verified. Seriously.

But it's been verified, so claim. We already know you're bulletproof, so that quote doesn't apply. If you don't claim, we can do nothing but lynch you, which if you're town is not a good thing for town.

hp [leaves] · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:07 am

Kast wrote:
Soaking up a scum kill is good. I effectively saved a townie getting killed by you today.
You effectively limited town from gaining concrete information to use in D1. You prevented town from effectively having a second lynch. Congratz, your mafia buddies must be proud of you.

-You don't like relevance do you?

Your shooting isn't effectively a second lynch. There is lot less information, no voting patterns. Actually you

could

make those happen; but you chose to ignore everyone elses ideas and OMGUSly shoot me.

Kast · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:18 am

@Dana/hp-
-You're both misusing the meaning behind the quote.
--Bulletproof claim is something scum make to explain why they don't get NKed.
--Things work differently with day kills. Things work differently with confirmed bulletproof ability.

In our case, we know hp is bulletproof because he choose to be as anti-town as he could be. The mismatch between his claimed beliefs and his actions signal he is lying scum. His attempts to discourage scumhunting and limit town from gaining any information indicates more likely mafia than SK.

The initial attempt to park on a crap-case without making a push fit well with a scum GF trying to keep a low profile while active lurking.

hp [leaves] · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:21 am

I wouldn't claim if I believed this bandwagon wasn't pointless and mindless; but this is just... unexplainable. So here it is:

Lando Calrissian, Alliance Bulletproof One-Shot Cop. I "obtain" information like a smuggler would do.

danakillsu · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:23 am

I didn't really misuse the meaning, I just assumed that his misuse was correct. Any way you look at it, hp, you're toast unless you claim. I say the town should give you about 24 hours to claim before jettisoning you into the vaccum of space, scumbag.

danakillsu · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:25 am

Lando Calrissian, Alliance Bulletproof One-Shot Cop. I "obtain" information like a smuggler would do.

*buzz* Wrong. I doubt your claim by a lot. It's well thought-out, but I REALLY don't see how Lando would be Bulletproof. He doesn't even wear armor in the movies...
And how does a smuggler obtain information?? No. This looks like a decent attempt to use a fakeclaim given to you by the mod (Lando Calrissian) without actually knowing the movies.

semioldguy · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:29 am

Ok...

I believe the masons claim. However, are you two confirmed alignments to each other? Regardless they should be kept alive for now.

Kast's ability is more or less proven.

Hp [leaves]'s claim needs to be completed.

Also, proof of ability is not proof of alignment for any of the above four players (or anyone else)

Unvote; Vote: ReaperCharlie

semioldguy · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:32 am

Completely missed page 16.

Why is Lando bulletproof?

danakillsu · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:32 am

Hp [leaves]'s claim needs to be completed.

In what way was it not already completed? And why did you vote for Reaper Charlie?

danakillsu · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:33 am

Why is Lando bulletproof?

I already asked that question. It's really weird. Everything about "Lando" 's role is fishy to me.

Kast · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:34 am

@hp-
-A public day kill is better than a second lynch. Regardless of what affiliation you think I am, announcing it publicly and letting town give their input was effectively a second lynch.
--It already saved us wasting time and/or a lynch on THC.
--If you played like a townie and claimed, I would have passed on that shot. It was your call, and you decided to stop town from getting a second lynch or any mod confirmed affiliation information. You even asked me to rush the shot and not give town any time to think about or comment on it.

-Fortunately, your actions failed to completely rob town of information; the anti-town and scummy nature of them give us a huge lead on a probable GF.

---Preview Edit---
Sorry don't buy the Lando Calrissian as bulletproof. Also, bulletproof, one-shot cop? Role synergy is...lacking...

semioldguy · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:34 am

Clearly because in my catchup I didn't notice the most recent page.

Why do you want to know why I am voting for ReaperCharlie?

danakillsu · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:36 am

Why do you want to know why I am voting for ReaperCharlie?

Generally, I have experienced that unless it is the RVS, players give reasons for their votes so as not to appear that their votes are scummy. If you don't want to give a reason, you're obviously not obligated to, but repeated unbacked votes set off my scumdar, just letting you know.

FC Groningen · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:37 am

Noob question here: Does "one shot cop" means he can more or less act as a vigilante once in the game? If so, he can at least prove his ability.

TwoHeadedCyclops · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:39 am

It's idiotic to lynch hp now. We should let him live to use his ability first.

danakillsu · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:39 am

Noob question here: Does "one shot cop" means he can more or less act as a vigilante once in the game? If so, he can at least prove his ability.

No. It means that he can be a cop on any night he chooses, but only once. And yes, he could prove his ability, but I'm pretty sure he's already DISproven his ability simply from his rolename.

TwoHeadedCyclops · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:40 am

Kast wrote: However, if you are town, you should have claimed so I don't waste a kill. If you really believed I was an SK, then obviously I would listen to a bulletproof claim and I wouldn't care about who I shot.

Maybe he didn't want you to OUT ANYMORE PRs.

danakillsu · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:42 am

It's idiotic to lynch hp now. We should let him live to use his ability first.

What's idiotic is to assume he has that ability and to let him possibly use an amazingly powerful scum ability he has.

Remember that part in Cloud City where Han Solo tries to shoot Vader like 6 times, only to realize that he's no longer holding his blaster, Vader's holding it?

QFT! I remember that. It's possible the mod set it up so that the only person Han COULDN'T shoot was Vader. And if hp has a good chance of being Vader, he has a good chance of having a powerful evil NK. And if he has a powerful evil NK, he should NOT be allowed to survive the day.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:43 am

FC Groningen wrote:Noob question here: Does "one shot cop" means he can more or less act as a vigilante once in the game? If so, he can at least prove his ability.

No to my understanding "one-shot" cop is more equal to "one-time-use" cop ability. Like he gets one investigation in the game.