eah, like I said, I think it's more likely that we're in a 2 scum 1 SK situation, or a 2 groups of 2 scum each situation, but it is possible we're in lynch or lose. You're right that if we were in lynch or lose, I would expect the scum to pile on my bandwagon, but the thing is, if you are a good guy, then you voted right away in a situation that might have been lynch or lose, and might have cost us the game. The only way you could have known for sure, at the time, if we were in lynch or lose or not would be if you were scum.
Even if we're not in lynch or lose, there are probably at least 3 bad guys (2 scum+1 SK), and it's only 4 to lynch. You don't see the danger in throwing votes around like party favors? And you don't understand why I'm trying to get everyone to stop voting?
I get the 2 groups of 2 argument. How do you suppose it's more likely we have 2 and 1? 3 is the regular mini complement for mafia. 3 scum and 1 SK balance each other well. Make 2 scum and 1 SK and you tilt the balance towards both, the SK and the town with two lucky pot shots and/or cop investigations.
See, my surmise is that we have 3 + 1 as is regular purely with a view for balance. We may or may not be in a lynch or lose but my hunch says Seol is scum. I voted because I'm pretty sure he is. The lack of afore mentioned piling on is a fair indicator that he is.
Seol played markedly different as far as I see because he is mafia.
I can tell from experience that the SK has no strings attached and therefore, no reason to act any differently than he will as a townie. His survival also depends on getting scum out of the way.
Therefore, a change in play stye tell for scum will be more pertinent than for SK.
Lynching an SK in a 3+1 complement in the situation we find ourselves in at this moment is a loss for the town.
Seol hasn't acted like an SK or townie, but otherwise and therefore, feel my vote is safe on him.
I will admit this is all based on gut and instinct. I will also admit that what you say makes pure, cold logical sense. What does not make sense and makes your logic loose some of its sheen is the failure to admonish Seol., since all of my logic applies to him and more over, he's voted me second where either one of us prolly has to be townie for scum to pile on or both scum, which I think anyone will agree, is unlikely.
You don't even use FOS in possible lynch or lose situations where one wrong vote could cost the town the game?
If you will refer to the reason I've given above for voting Seol, you'll see why I'm voting.
In lynch or lose, I don't FOS. I don't vote and I indicate whom I might vote for.
I did this in my first post for the day. The funny thing here is that your outrage for voting seems more concerned for Seol than for the initial vote for WindLurker, your former self.
I don't FOS.
I'm not trying to defend anyone at this point. That would be foolish, as almost half the town has got to be BG's at this point, and especally because I do think Seol looks a little suspicious for supporting the wrong side of the lynch yesterday.
I will concede you are not actively defending Seol, no.
You never said, OMG! Seol =/ teh evil!
Your failure to admonish him for voting carries the implication that you defend him. You see where I'm going?
If one of the two of you is scum, there's no risk that that the remaining scum could pile on the other one, because one scum is already on that bandwagon. The only danger is if one townie votes for another in a Lynch or Lose situation, so that's only a danger if the two of you are both townies. And if you are both townies, and the scum wanted to pile onto a townie vote, then you were already voting for him.
Again, lack of reactions from others would indicate this is not townie v. townie. You can go check in other games if you want to analyse/meta game my play style if you like. Seol's is definitely markedly different.
That's all I was saying. Also, the reason I didn't specifically mention his vote because I wanted to see what his reaction would be if you did follow my request change your vote on him to an FOS for the moment. If he's a townie, I would expect him to do the same for the same reasons; if he's scum, I figured he's be tempted to try to to stick to his guns. (shrug) Basically I figured I'd get more interesting reactions this way, but as it seems you have no intention of unvoting anyway, the point is now moot.
I'm only quoting this to avoid being accused of deliberately misinterpreting or ignoring stuff but like you said - the point is moot.
I've explained above why I'm not unvoting.
In this case it's pretty clear that WindSlicer just didn't have time to play anymore, as he asked MeMe to replace him because of "limited game time". I like lurker hunting in general, but it should be pretty clear it dosn't apply in this case.
While WS definitely seems to have had problems with time to post which led to his replacement on day two, all throughout day one, he explicitly indicated that he was following the game and not interested in posting. I call this lurking. With one newbie already claiming like silly, I wouldn't be surprised if another decided to lurk his way to victory. Believe me, my first scum victory was like that. I've also asked to be replaced as scum under pressure. I'm not alluding to those being the circumstances here but definitely a possibility.
Actually, I haven't said anything about the argument you Seol were having. I did say that I was suspicious of the way you have been behaving today, and you have not yet given a good reason for why a GG would want to vote in that situation.
Read the first part of this post.
There's probably a mafia of at least 2 people. It's 4 people to lynch. There's no way I'm going to put a quick second vote on someone without the general agreement of the town, and I hope no one else would either. I'd feel safer if no one was voting at all, but it seems like you've decided to be stubborn on the issue.
For some odd reason, that seems exceedingly like currying favour and a pretense of being pro town and considerate. Maybe your third partner is a flake or maybe the reason you're waiting is to convince a couple of other townies to join my wagon and then finish it off. You've mentioned a 2 member group as most likely. Here, you say at least 2. Do you know something Seol does as well?
As fas as my stubborness goes - read the first part again.
I get the feeling a record is stuck. Both ways.
No, I'm attacking you because you committed actions that appear to not be pro-town; IE, voting in a situation where voting does not appear to me to be a pro-town action. The main thing you did that I thought looked suspicious was voting for a lurker "to get his attention" in a situation where that seemed a very dangerous move for a townie to make, especally if you were willing to change your vote quickly in response to an FOS someone else put on you. Spin it however you want, you look suspicious because of how you have acted today, and trying to turn it around on me and try to question my motives for pointing that out does not change the suspicious way you have behaved..
You wanna call it spin? Be my guest, doctor. I have explained my convictions. Evaluate them.
Oh and your rolled eyes are duly noted. Nice.
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