Pick Your Power III: A Brave New World

[CryMeARiver]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 10

Porkens

- 8 -

Pomegranate

,

Parama

,

Socrates

,

Super Awesome Mega Pimp!

,

PranaDevil

,

Ellibereth

,

mb53

,

manho

- (L-2)

Players not voting:12keyblade, CryMeARiver, Dramonic, DrippingGoofball, Faraday, Fate, Hoopla, Porkens, Sando, Zang, Zoiaum

Can someone help me complete this list? Am I missing any claims/information here? I think there are a couple of Vanilla claims I'm missing.

2,12 sorasgoof (Even-Night-Vig)

10,1 Pomegranate (Tracker)
11,7 Sando

12,3 Porkens (Odd-Night-Vig)

13,7 Dramonic

1,1 SerialClergyman (Watcher)

1,1 manho
3,6 Socrates
3,6 Zoiaum
5,4 Ellibereth
5,15 Drippinggoofball (Vanilla)
6,1 superawesomemegapimp

6,2 Budja (Vanilla)

7,3 Fate
7,11 Parama (Vanilla Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil
4,7 CryMeARiver
4,8 12keyblade
9,2 Zang
9,4 Faraday
9,9 Hoopla
9,15 mb53 (Vanilla Backup)

Well, look at scum at the top of the tree here. We now know Pomegranate is highly likely to be town, unless this is some sort of ridiculous gambit (sorry Pom, btw). I'd also suggest Sando is quite likely to be town, especially if he can confirm he isn't a Universal Backup, Redirector or Janitor.

It's also quite likely that the Soras' wagon was very town driven

unless

scum has the Universal Backup, which makes a Day 1 bus of one of their best roles a feasible play, as it hides the vig again.

We know the Universal Backup is in play somewhere, and I think the town should decide who to kill with that shot. My opinion is that we should shoot from this chunk of the list;

1,1 manho
3,6 Socrates
3,6 Zoiaum
5,4 Ellibereth
5,15 Drippinggoofball
6,1 superawesomemegapimp

...with a preference for manho, Zoiaum or SAMP.

The thing is, this is likely and sucks for us. I want to propose the idea of the backup claiming now.

[Fate]

I'd tell you what you're missing but that would just give scum more info(because you're scum).

Also you missed my daycop softclaim a few pages back, I'm surpised I'm still alive.

Each night you may target a player. If successful, you will get a result of town or mafia.

That's nice.

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Also, do you seriously think if I were scum I'd let my team get into this position so early in the game, and choose such roles? I would never take the vigs if I had two top 5 draft picks - there's so many more better role combinations, especially ones safer to a potential massclaim that give more outs.

Whatever claims have been made, there is no way scum don't have it posted up in their daytalking QT. I remember other instances of players forgetting who had claimed/softclaimed - it's in the town's interest for a neatly organised post of critical information. Also, you're a tool.

Read between the lines Hoopla.

I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. YOU'VE BEEN TOO HONEST THIS GAME.

Manho redirect scum to themselves please.

[Fate]

CMAR stop rolefishing nub.

The Super Backup has all but claimed, read the thread more

carefully.

[Hoopla]

So, we're to trust you're not scum using this secret information? If you're seriously that worried about scum getting a hold of information, you wouldn't tell them there is some out there.

Fate, I think you're just paranoid for paranoid sake due to me toweling you up last game.

[Fate]

Maybe I would, just to get scum to go off on some wild goose chase that leads nowhere.

I hate my time zone Hoopla, so I'm willing to play with you even if you're scum.

Why is SAMP scum again?

[Hoopla]

What odds do you give me of being scum?

[manho]

Manho...

...Why worry about quicklynches in the same post as putting Porkens at L-1?

hoping to get a scum quickhammering it.

and to claim way before L-1 and a possible vig kill, as parama suggest, i'm the redirector. i take it simply to not let the scum team have it.

Did you use it for anything last night?

i've planned to redirect parama to parama last night, but parama's quick hammer ruins it.

[manho]

That's not "claiming before L-1" That's just claiming for the sake of claiming, you were in no danger of being lynched tonight manho, and even if you're vigged, that post helps us none.

at least the vig know who he is vigging.

Weren't you the one say we should mass claim so that roles aren't readily available for scum? Yet here you are blatantly giving scum a role they could claim below you now.

but no one seem like mass claiming now.

And like Hoopla says, did you use it for anything? If you did, on who and why? If you didn't, don't do so either.

i was planning redirecting parama to parama as i think she is scum and she has claimed vanilla. so it does no harm to the town powers and will kill a scum if she makes the kill. but i actually didn't as parama quickhammered before i can send in my night choice.

And of course... the whole worrying about quick lynches, when you're putting Porkens at L-1 yourself.

see my last post.

At least we've worked out who the vig should take out... manho is as good as blatant scum, and on the small offchance he's not, he's becoming a liability for town anyway.

that only count as 1 vote, maybe we need another vote count. i won't do it again as no one is listen to me.

[Fate]

After filtering out previous assumptions, which can account for no more than a 5% swing, Hoopla has a 3/5 chance of being scum over every other player in the game (myself included).

You lost the draft on purpose, you won't fool me.

WON'T FOOL ME AGAINNNNNNN.

Hoopla thought she would be safe at the bottom from cop inspections.

LOL THINK AGAIN

DayInspect: Hoopla

Day inspection failed, you have already actioned today.

Fack.

[Fate]

Manho don't call out your targets.

Lulz.

+Parama is town, so yeah.

[manho]

Manho don't call out your targets.

Lulz.

+Parama is town, so yeah.

of course i won't. and i really don't have enough time is decide who is scum yesterday.

[manho]

should i propose the massclaim again?

[manho]

should i propose the massclaim again?

it helps my decision a lot.

[Fate]

We're not MCing. We have scum dead to rights.

It was a "hay this could be fun and help us out scum lulz" thing to do D1, but now it is pointless.

I think we can roll scum this game without even MCing, tbqh.

[manho]

actually, my reason for suggestion the massclaim is to help me make my decision. i really don't want to redirect the vig to themselves.

but why is parama town? i can only see a scum who can't get the janitor and a scum quickhammering to give her team advantages.

[dramonic]

Parama is a male manho.

[manho]

Parama is a male manho.

is it prana that is female?

[dramonic]

not prana either.

[PranaDevil]

actually, my reason for suggestion the massclaim is to help me make my decision. i really don't want to redirect the vig to themselves.

but why is parama town? i can only see a scum who can't get the janitor and a scum quickhammering to give her team advantages.

Parama is town because I says he is.

[manho]

actually, my reason for suggestion the massclaim is to help me make my decision. i really don't want to redirect the vig to themselves.

but why is parama town? i can only see a scum who can't get the janitor and a scum quickhammering to give her team advantages.

Parama is town because I says he is.

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[Parama]

The arguments for Parama-town

1. I claimed instantaneously announcing my vanillaness and that scum have a janitor. I prompted the janitor to claim if they are town. Do you know what this means?

If the last scum alive is the janitor, everyone below me is clear.

2. Look at my scumlist. There have already been 2 scum on it. Sure, I'd bus as scum, but there's no reason to put TWO buddies on a scumlist on D1

3. My role PM

Manho wanted me to vig myself, I think. Lol.

[manho]

The arguments for Parama-town

1. I claimed instantaneously announcing my vanillaness and that scum have a janitor. I prompted the janitor to claim if they are town. Do you know what this means?

If the last scum alive is the janitor, everyone below me is clear.

this is the main reason why i'm not sure you are town. as a scum who picked janitor but didn't get it will can do the exact same thing. maybe a janitor claim will make you town, or a janitor power used will do so. but none of them has happened.

2. Look at my scumlist. There have already been 2 scum on it. Sure, I'd bus as scum, but there's no reason to put TWO buddies on a scumlist on D1

i've put 3 buddies on a scumlist.

3. My role PM

Manho wanted me to vig myself, I think. Lol.

how can i make you vig yourself if you are telling the truth?

[Parama]

Manho, argument 1 is all I really need. If I was scum and claimed janitor, then I would know town has a janitor. I prompted the janitor to claim if they were town. So obviously janitor is scum. And scum usually don't both pick the same role.

Logically, I cannot be scum, regardless of whether you see it or not. I love how you are attacking me because I've been itching to get you lynched since the start of the game.

Your counterproof for 2 is irrelevant because each player plays differently.

The real question is why you would target a claimed vanilla to themself.

If you're town, find someone and direct them to SAMP for me please. A cop is the optimal option. If he's jan he won't dare use his power if there's the risk of tracker being on him. I want him dead but Porkens needs to die first.

[PranaDevil]

Scum can't use the Janitor power, we might be pushing a Mass Claim at some point. Scum would be stupid to use the janitor role for two reasons.

1 - Mass Claim would reveal who the janitor is.
2 - Using the Janitor would prevent scum from knowing who a role is as well. Not just town.

Although the fact Manho said that scum could know the role if they had the janitor, and I pointed out that the role stated they couldn't, only for him to do so once again (If people want I'll dig out the posts in question)... makes me think Manho is our scum Janitor.

[manho]

i would like to target a vanilla to themself as it will not neglect a potential power role, such as making a cop investigating himself, or even worse a town-vig killing himself. and if i get it right and target the scum that make the kill, he will kill himself.

and what is the use asking me to direct someone to SAMP? you can just ask the vig to kill him or ask a cop to investigate him. the most effective way to use my power is to kill the scum who is making the kill.