It was the fact that people could want to lynch Farside just for that power.d3x wrote:@Cry- And what about wolf's post made you change your mind?
Also- farside is still a she.
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I had a one shot investigation and supposed I'd use it on a prominent player who can act pro-town whether he is town or scum.semioldguy wrote:What were your reasons for investigating farside22?ShowYou can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
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Well this throws my theories out the window. >_> Well, not exactly.wolframnhart wrote:@Slicey
Claims that are out so far:
Kast - Han Solo town day vig
Me- Mason R2D2 with TwoHeadedCyclops
@Farside
In Kingdom Hearts Mafia there were two scum groups, and a vig (though limited shots) and an SK, though i think that had 4 more people playing, so when I saw the neutral survivor dead to me that takes care of the SK slot, and when i saw the bounty on you that made me think Jabba and I can see him having his own group, along with the empire, against the alliance.
Whoever I won't know for sure until a flip on someone tells me otherwise.
See, I was thinking that it made no sense for hp to not be killed when it doesn't say anything about him being bulletproof in his role name. I think a majority of you know how inaccurate stormtroopers are, and the often told jokes about how they can't hit anything. So I was thinking he may just be some sort of antitown DK'er with a X% chance of hitting his target. And he missed. However, with him claiming Han Solo, that does change things extremely. I would suggest everyone just keep a small eye on him and not call him very obviously town. Just likely town. And to all those who say "There's no way Han Solo is a fakeclaim," look at my game (Kingdom Hearts Mafia, which our mod played in.) A few main characters were fakeclaims. Again, I seriously doubt Han is a fake claim (he's too awesome), but I wouldn't call him obvtown.
My other theory is that whoever brings up the idea of two scumteam (wolf) is very likely in one of the two scumteams. But he claimed mason, so no. >_>
I need more people to post. I'm thinking CMAR town right now also.Taking a temporary retirement from playing mafia games... damn you invitationals.
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@Slicey - His target was also a neutral survivor who bulletproof (1 or more shot) armor would make a LOT of sense on. I can't see scum pulling that kind of gambit. Only possibility in my mind is he somehow communicated with HP and knew he was bulletproof so he could pull that stunt ... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a third party.
@Cry me a river - While I get with your "investigate ppl who can appear town" arg, I still don't get why you would check on someone who you thought was town yesterday. You don't think there is anyone else in this game who was tricky to read and you didn't necessarily think was town?
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Yeah, there's no way Han is a fake claim.Slicey wrote:
Well this throws my theories out the window. >_> Well, not exactly.wolframnhart wrote:@Slicey
Claims that are out so far:
Kast - Han Solo town day vig
Me- Mason R2D2 with TwoHeadedCyclops
@Farside
In Kingdom Hearts Mafia there were two scum groups, and a vig (though limited shots) and an SK, though i think that had 4 more people playing, so when I saw the neutral survivor dead to me that takes care of the SK slot, and when i saw the bounty on you that made me think Jabba and I can see him having his own group, along with the empire, against the alliance.
Whoever I won't know for sure until a flip on someone tells me otherwise.
See, I was thinking that it made no sense for hp to not be killed when it doesn't say anything about him being bulletproof in his role name. I think a majority of you know how inaccurate stormtroopers are, and the often told jokes about how they can't hit anything. So I was thinking he may just be some sort of antitown DK'er with a X% chance of hitting his target. And he missed. However, with him claiming Han Solo, that does change things extremely. I would suggest everyone just keep a small eye on him and not call him very obviously town. Just likely town. And to all those who say "There's no way Han Solo is a fakeclaim," look at my game (Kingdom Hearts Mafia, which our mod played in.) A few main characters were fakeclaims. Again, I seriously doubt Han is a fake claim (he's too awesome), but I wouldn't call him obvtown.
My other theory is that whoever brings up the idea of two scumteam (wolf) is very likely in one of the two scumteams. But he claimed mason, so no. >_>
I need more people to post. I'm thinking CMAR town right now also.
No chance Wolf could be scum now. He's 100% clear since his mason buddy is dead and flipped exactly what he said.
I am town. So is Farside.ShowYou can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
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Since I was only a one shot, I didn't want to risk investigating a scummy person as it wouldn't help us later in the game and an actual investigative role might investigate them as well. Investigating someone who the town could learn to depend on is only going to be better in the endgame to know SHE is town.AlmasterGM wrote:@Slicey - His target was also a neutral survivor who bulletproof (1 or more shot) armor would make a LOT of sense on. I can't see scum pulling that kind of gambit. Only possibility in my mind is he somehow communicated with HP and knew he was bulletproof so he could pull that stunt ... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a third party.
@Cry me a river - While I get with your "investigate ppl who can appear town" arg, I still don't get why you would check on someone who you thought was town yesterday. You don't think there is anyone else in this game who was tricky to read and you didn't necessarily think was town?
@bv - Not getting the Wreck Star obvscum ISO read. Care to elaborate?
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partial roleclaim and that he's been hinting at it since the beginning of the day.
Almaster: Yes, it would make sense, but the point is that it doesn't say bulletproof or any variation of it in his rolename. Also never said Kast is scum with hp (which is utterly impossible.)
wait, CMAR, you investigated someone you thought was town?Taking a temporary retirement from playing mafia games... damn you invitationals.
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Back from V/LA. I had a great weekend!
@Slicey:
Also, influenced my decision somewhat. Kast seemed to have thought his vig attempt through pretty thoroughly, and so much pointed to HP being suspicious: his active lurking, apathy shown to pressure from votes/dayvig threat, refusal to claim (even if only to save himself from dayvig); all of this factored into my decision to vote on him later. There was no reason not to claim BEFORE the attempted dayvig, and even less reason after. And further, the claim he presented was far from believable. Why in the heck would Lando be bulletproof?ReaperCharlie wrote:I am interested to know why you claim to think a scum-aligned dayvig would reveal himself on day 1? And since we know you're bulletproof already, what's the harm in claiming? I would say you're acting almost stubborn enough for me to believe you're just a terrible player who's a townie, but I think that's a pretty long stretch.
And besides, you aredefinitelynot acting 'town' enough to make me think you'renotscum. I agree with DragonPhoenix and ooba: I don't buy this charade either.
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Once we found out that Kast's daytime kill was unsuccessful, everything seemed to indicate that HP was either scum with some kind of immunity, or a third-party role with the same. At this point, it seemed very clear to me that he was Darth Vader or some rogue Jedi (if third party). As it turned out, he was Boba Fett. Like you, I was also initially confused as to how Boba Fett could survive a dayvig attempt, but reading his lynch flavor (about the Mandalorian armor, and that he was a JOAT, which commonly have a save ability), it cleared this up for me.
I suppose this makes sense, and I may even be willing to believe you, at least until you or someone else gives me a reason not to. Mostly because I don't think it makes sense for you to so strongly link yourself to farside if you are both scum.CryMeARiver wrote:Since I was only a one shot, I didn't want to risk investigating a scummy person as it wouldn't help us later in the game and an actual investigative role might investigate them as well. Investigating someone who the town could learn to depend on is only going to be better in the endgame to know SHE is town.
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From what I gathered, he investigated someone he hoped just might be town, in order to create another mason-ish-type pair with her, if sheSlicey wrote:wait, CMAR, you investigated someone you thought was town?wasin fact town. Like I said in my post directly above, it doesn't really make sense to so strongly link yourself to someone at this point in the game as scum, so I think it's safe to reason that they are both very likely town.Show"Take me to Pleasure Town!" "Look, the most Glorious Rainbow Ever!" "Do me on it!" -
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Also, just read the kill scene, yeah very obvious he was bulletproof. Never mind then about my Kast point.Taking a temporary retirement from playing mafia games... damn you invitationals.
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Aren't you an "actual" investigative role as well?CryMeARiver wrote:Since I was only a one shot, I didn't want to risk investigating a scummy person as it wouldn't help us later in the game and an actual investigative role might investigate them as well. Investigating someone who the town could learn to depend on is only going to be better in the endgame to know SHE is town.-
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You are being as useless as D1.bv310 wrote:Vote: Wreck Star
In iso, you read as even scummier than normal. Trust me on this one.
Vote: bv310
In terms of setup, I agree with farside about the 2 kills more likely being SK/scum rather than 2 scum teams.
Can we stop with these soft claims? If you are a role and feel its time to claim, then claim.Town 15-19
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I can dig WS's Vote. I get {although don't completely like} AGM's Vote. Your Vote however, I'm not down with at all. You are Voting bv for being useless?
*ringring* Hi kettle, it's the pot. You're black. *click*
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To Slicey (post 439):
post 353 and further
HP survived the vig shot. HP refused to explain himself before the vig shot; If he claimed earlier, the claim might have had more credit. I bet Kast would still have shot him, but he might be saved from being lynched. The claim seemed fake to me after the vig shot.
To Bv310:
Reasoning please. Or is this your attempt to lurk less?
About Wolf's post in 442:
agreed and I would also think its premature to label her as town, as she seems very experienced to me. I bet she knows how to play as scum. "I think she plays very townlike" seems an awkward argumentation by the way. The Hutt role might fit the bounty, which also works in the favor of Farside, but please don't rule out anyone yet.
There seems to be a lot of role speculation on page 19. I'm not sure what to think of that.
To Dragon Phoenix:
I challenge you to find reasons to vote me that haven't been answered yet. I also challenge you to sum up your contribution to the game so far.
To Crymeariver (post 475)
claim accepted for now.
I also don't get the Bv130 wagon. Yes he is useless so far, but that goes for more people, including Scott. I also commented on him yesterday him acting hypocrite, so I'd like to hear from him as well. Why Bv130 and what are his thoughts on your own contributions so far?
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I would actually support a dayvig of bv310 before a lynch of him. This is a stupid lynch since it's D2 and with the info we have I'm sure we can come up with something better.
I don't consider myself one seeing as it was only a one shot.AG wrote:Aren't you an "actual" investigative role as well?ShowYou can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
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Answer this please CMAR.Slicey wrote:
wait, CMAR, you investigated someone you thought was town?Taking a temporary retirement from playing mafia games... damn you invitationals.
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