Mini 954 ~ Mafia at the 11th Hour (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

@dram - where are your town vibes from jahudo coming from?

[d3x]

EBWOP: semioldguy's quote was in regards to Jahudo's request for a Nik Lynch in p275.

[Cobalt]

vote pom

[d3x]

@Cobalt- Why should I like your Vote? Why should I agree with your Vote? Why don't you like AwesomeWagon 2.0?

[Porkens]

Seraphim/Cobalt is likely town, given Nikanor's attempts to get a wagon on Seraphim going. d3x as well, for his push on Nik.

As for the rest, re-reading.

A one (briefly 2)-person wagon created by flailing scum gives the wagonee town cred?

Vote: Semioldguy

[Pomegranate]

Pomegranate - Her vote took Nik to L-1, so maybe its bussing. Its fine she hopped with old reasons, because the case had already been made, but there's a question to how she viewed the wagon as it was building. Maybe scum.

@Pom: What was your reaction when you first read dramonic and d3x's case on Nikanor? What changed after your last post before coming back and voting Nik?

A couple of small thing. First of all, I like some of the points you brought against him later. Also, a lot of Nikanor's reactions to the case seemed scummy to me.

I will be back tomorrow night; a reread is in order.

[Pomegranate]

vote pom

Hmm?

You always think I'm scum.

[Vi]

Vote Count XVI:

- A new Day, a new opportunity

semioldguy (L-3) ~ d3x, Jahudo, Porkens

Pomegranate (L-5) ~ Cobalt

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

d3x,

dramonic,

Jahudo,

Percy, Pomegranate,

Porkens, Cobalt,

semioldguy, VP Baltar

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[Jahudo]

I'm good for a SOG wagon.

Semioldguy

Did you mean to vote semioldguy here?

First of all, I like some of the points you brought against him later. Also, a lot of Nikanor's reactions to the case seemed scummy to me.

Yeah that was how you explained it yesterday. I think I can follow your thought process, it looked worse to me than it is. But anyway, I'm not suspicious of you.

[Percy]

A one (briefly 2)-person wagon created by flailing scum gives the wagonee town cred?

Sure. I think flailing and bussing is much rarer than flailing and attacking a lurker-townie.

I noticed something:

I don't get why Tony thinks that DDD is scum and vice-versa. DDD, could you summarize the reasons for why Tony is scum?

This is from his penultimate pre-lynch post. What I find interesting is that he says he doesn't understand why either suspects the other, but only asks DDD why he thinks Tony is scum, and not what Tony thinks of DDD.

@semioldguy

: What is your read on DDD?

[Porkens]

I find interesting is that he says he doesn't understand why either suspects the other, but only asks DDD why he thinks Tony is scum, and not what Tony thinks of DDD.

@semioldguy

: What is your read on DDD?

I read this as Tony being implicated. Is that what your thinking, as well?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Sorry, about the delay in posting but my equilibrium for the game got thrown off when Nik flipped scum and I'm just trying to piece things together in this brave new world.

I know it's tired, but I still think Tony's action was absolutely terrible and I kindof think that if he was town that Nik would've taken some opportunity to jump on that wagon since it ballooned at two separate points. I really think it's the best lead at this point, so...

Vote: Semioldguy

[Porkens]

Crickets.

C'mon guys. No leads? Just vote SOG.

[d3x]

Personally I'm waiting on sog to come back here and defend himself. In fact,

UnVote

. I don't want this to be a speed Lynch without any info. He would've been L-1 if dram's Vote had been counted. That is only a temporary UnVote.

[semioldguy]

I'm really not feeling the Nikanor wagon.

Care to share why? I don't think Tony mentioned him once. The only interaction I could find was indirect at best. Tony Voted me when I started in on Nik. Interesting. In fact, I can't really find the ultimate Lurker hunter {nik} coming after Tony at all here either. I found a few times where Nik goes at DDD for going at Tony, but nothing in the other direction.

I'm also opposed.

Thus I put my FoS on you and you told me to bring it. Well, it's brought. This oughta' be fun...

If I would have cared to share why, I would have. I thought that Nikanor was town, clearly I was incorrect. I don't generally like to share reasons why I find people townish unless comparing it to something I think is specifically scummy, as doing so changes what I can get from the read.

As for the stuff about Tony, that isn't something I can answer. You should have asked Tony when he was still around. Or if you were concerned about Nikanor ignoring me, you should have asked him that, not me. These are simply not questions which should be directed at me.

As for my thoughts on Debonair Danny DiPietro; I don't have much of a read on him and currently am leaning very slightly town. I'd still like him to address my question and to hear his thoughts on any suspect other than myself.

@Debonair Danny DePietro
Could you give an opinion on a suspect of yours other than Tony Montana in this game? You voting on an absent Tony this whole game has also enabled you to do nothing for much of the day thus far.

[d3x]

Nifty.

Vote:semioldguy

[semioldguy]

I don't know what you'd expect. If you are going to make a case on Tony Montana, that's fine, it doesn't lose any validity just because he isn't here any longer, but to expect me to be able to answer for him or to respond with the answers is just dumb.

I'll claim if anything happened from L-1 when Vi returns.

Don't you have to be at L-1 first? ~Vi

[VP Baltar]

Vote: Jahudo

I still have a case to make, but I'm really having trouble finding the time. I'm going to see if I can sneak a few minutes this afternoon. People seriously need to look at his reactions as the day closed yesterday. The way he was trying to encourage counter wagons without committing himself is really scummy and looks like he was trying to bail Nik out. Needless to say, I think a speed wagon on SOG with little discussion is a crappy idea even if he does look suspicious.

[Jahudo]

Ah, I thought that's what it might be about. Yesterday I explained why I wanted a competing wagon:

the positives of having any competing wagon (not just 1 vote, like most have competing wagons have been) today is good for analysis later on. And if there was a competing wagon on VP, I wouldn't be on it now.

I had no intention of voting VP, and I wasn't trying to start a wagon by calling out Player X, because I wasn't arguing for a specific alternative. All you can say is that I was waiting for an opportunity to happen, and you have to argue that is something I would logically do as scum that late in the day when I was previously digging myself further into the Nikanor wagon by questioning him and helping others vote him.

Now let me counter your case by showing you how those "tells" apply better to your game:

1. Trying to encourage other wagons without commiting himself is really scummy. You put the ownership of your Tony vote on DDD here.

I think history has shown that DDD knows better than me early game and I don'tknow how comfortable I am being on a dramonic supported wagon at this point. Let's get some votes over here people.

You also place your dramonic suspicion over Nikanor indirectly. If you thought Nikanor was scummier, dramonic's involvement on his wagon shouldn't make you switch votes unless it was to dramonic. But you vote Tony. I don't understand that logic.

2. Explain why you were bailing Nikanor out here:

Nik isn't exactly present either. Perhaps if he was here posting I'd feel better about him, but lurking (after calling lurking a scumtell) is lynch worthy atm.

Sounds like if Nik posted more, you'd move on to dramonic or a lurker.

unvote;
Vote: VP Baltar

[semioldguy]

Don't you have to be at L-1 first? ~Vi

...I suppose so. I just looked at the most recent votecount and saw that I'd been voted twice since. Didn't account for d3x's unvote and revote.

[dramonic]

Vote: Semioldguy

Twas what I intended to do earlier.

[semioldguy]

Okay Vi, how about now?

Once again: Don't you have to be at L-1 first? ~Vi

[d3x]

Lol! Jahudo UnVoted you. A bit antsy, are we?

[semioldguy]

lol... ::sigh::

I thought I was being clever this time. Instead I'm just bad at keeping track of my own vote count and am feeling quite unclever.

[dramonic]

It's okay, senility can start appearing once you're semiold