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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:52 pm

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VasudeVa wrote:Challenge the prod time limit, try to fit in without catching much attention by doing some weak scumhunting to not get NKed and lynched, and attempt to redirect any attention drawn towards you. That's how I imagine any BP to play anyway although he did play that horribly.
I've never played with a BP, but I was a paranoid gun owner once, and I imagine the play would be similar: both roles are ones that you WANT to be targetted as the NK, so I was super aggressive town, dropped a couple fake role tells, etc.

The best play for a BP would have been to sacrifice oneself to ensure power roles could carry on afterwards and that one wouldn't be lynched - the opposite of lurking.

Also, his support of a mass claim is a huge tell. Knowing he was the likely lynch today - if it really would give us two nights - would make claiming our PRs an
especially
bad move. Claiming his own role in any but the most extreme case prevents him from being an NK target and, if he were town, would leave him as a continuing threat to town. He's either scum or town that's willing to work against his own side to keep alive and lurk uselessly in the corner.

Kill the scum and lets move on with the game.
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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:30 pm

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Also, his support of a mass claim is a huge tell. Knowing he was the likely lynch today - if it really would give us two nights - would make claiming our PRs an especially bad move.
Doesn't this assume hp is a strong player?
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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:37 pm

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Look everyone!!!
It's the
VOTE COUNT UNICORN!!!

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Ellibereth
opens his eyes and sees
hp [leaves]!

Socrates
opens his eyes and sees
hp [leaves]!

VasudeVa
opens vis eyes and sees
hp [leaves]!

ElectricBadger
opens his eyes and sees
hp [leaves]!


farside22
opens her eyes and sees
Seacore!

Robocopter87
opens his eyes and sees
Seacore!

dramonic
opens his eyes and sees
Seacore!


hp [leaves]
opens his eyes and sees
dramonic!


Seacore
opens his eyes and sees
Socrates!


LlamaFluff
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Vi
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I'll extend the deadline by a few days :D

The deadline for today's lynch is
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:47 am

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Seacore 851 wrote:
Also, his support of a mass claim is a huge tell. Knowing he was the likely lynch today - if it really would give us two nights - would make claiming our PRs an especially bad move.
Doesn't this assume hp is a strong player?
hp[l] has been onsite almost as long as I have. He wasn't the strongest of players when we first met, but I would expect better after like 1.5 years or so.
E-Badger 850 wrote:I've never played with a BP, but I was a paranoid gun owner once, and I imagine the play would be similar: both roles are ones that you WANT to be targetted as the NK
Actually, the games I've seen with a BP (windkirby's M. Normal; Kmd4390's Twilight Mafia; I don't remember if I Hate Vanilla had one but that game was odious to begin with) also had a Guard that could stop NKs on BPs
because
their ability still activated if they were NKd.
Optimal play as a Beloved Princess is to
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I'm not sure how that affects the reasoning behind your conclusion about him supporting a massclaim, but I still agree with your conclusion and would like to see what hp[l] has to say about it.
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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:05 am

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I do agree with EB that hp's agreement with a mass claim
hp [leaves] wrote: I'm pro-massclaim
with the type of role he has makes no sense. I would personally if I had that role be against mass claiming.
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:55 am

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Vi wrote:...isn't that how you would expect scum to play?
Well, yeah scum and BP would have subversion into town high in their list of motivations. However, scum would have some malice in their play, BP won't since she's town aligned. My main argument on his 'somewhat BP' play is that don't really remember/detect that much malice in his earlier D1 play. If anything it looked like fail-lurker town. Late D1(asking for the claim) and D2 is when his play slowly crawled towards the malicious side.

On the side note: I hate hp's username. D:<. It seems that I can't properly stalk his games on msutils with that username(or is my comp bugging? Highly unlikely though).

@hp: Gimme 3 town games and 3 scum games please.
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:37 am

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Alright, I know that Claiming town doesn't make you town, but trying to get a beloved princess kill
with no reasons
isn't cool.

I don't get why the heck a beloved princess would be pro massclaim. I'm starting to think the massclaim was a bad idea. But thats in hindsight, I think it was a good idea to see who was pro and against which is helping the Hp case. I want to vote HP though I think Seacore is still the scummiest. But First I will give Hp a chance to talk.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:32 am

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VasudeVa wrote:I am sort of inclined to believe the claim because he did somewhat play like a BP....if BP wasn't an excellent scum fakeclaim. I also hate the fact that
the 'new info' you gave is openly available in thread
and it is quite safe to just say that. And you are the only one who's gunning for the 'SK'(Possibly WIFOM to say 'I pointed out SK!'). I don't really know the proper play for a sketchy BP claim though.
If you can openly conclude that malfunction is the only kill method, you are scum. And it means scum do not have a kill.

BP isn't an excellent scum claim. It's almost never found in games, and it is never verifiable.

Actually my role PM is pretty simplistic. It just lists my rolename, what happens when I die, what my colors are, how the dark forces would like to know my colors and my win condition. The only recognizable flavor is the classic funeral thing.

My stance about the massclaim is pretty normal if you consider when my ability triggers (or is it? Haha, WIFOMing the scum. I may have made a mistake though). Which I'm not going to elaborate.

Also the vig comment seems weird as we had only one kill attempt last night.
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:34 am

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VV:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9350 scum
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9392 scum

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10103 town
Mind Screw 3 town (can't be bothered to find a link)
Martyr Mafia town (can't be bothered to find a link)
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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:41 am

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hp[l] 857 wrote:If you can openly conclude that malfunction is the only kill method, you are scum. And it means scum do not have a kill.
Agree with the first but not the second. Notice also--
hp[l] 857 wrote:Also the vig comment seems weird as we had only one kill attempt last night.
No, we had one
successful
kill attempt last Night. (Also, I may be going blind but which Vig comment)
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:26 pm

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*sets out farside bait*
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:40 pm

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Scum,
please claim.

PLEAASSSEEE
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:40 pm

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^^^was a joke.
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:51 pm

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@hp - Breadcrumbs?
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:16 pm

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^^^I bet you a dollar he says no.
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 2:30 am

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Kinda still happy where my vote is. I'm still not satisfied with hp's 'defense'. Still haven't checked his meta though.

I have no idea how 'poisoning' works(Can someone explain what's the difference with it and NK plx). Will that activate BP's ability? If it's true that Mafia has no kills, then this claim is bullshit.

@hp: Why did you ask for the EB claim late D1?(knowing that you risked catching fire D2) Why did you bring up the SK when you had a wagon on your tail? Why be pro massclaim? A lot of your play is not making sense with your claim.

@Badger: What do you mean similar? BP's 'skill' activates on lynch or night kill. PGO would want the NK, BP will not.
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 9:00 am

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Bleg. Curse my indecisiveness.

HP's claim is one of those things where I don't think it is actually possible to find some kind of smoking gun that will allow people to decisively say "yea, he's faking it." or "He's Telling the truth!". We either need to simply bite the bullet and lynch him or believe his claim and let him be. Putting it off until tomorrow won't really settle anything.

I think my vote stays.

(Hair-brained alternative: wait until lylo to lynch him, where even if he is telling the truth his mislynch is no worse than any other mislynch so it doesn't matter what his claim is. But that's a dumb strategy no matter how you sell it.)
Vas wrote:I have no idea how 'poisoning' works(Can someone explain what's the difference with it and NK plx). Will that activate BP's ability? If it's true that Mafia has no kills, then this claim is bullshit.
A poison kill is simply when the NK is a delayed action. The poisoned guy continues to live for one more day and then dies the next night or something like that.
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 10:42 am

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Socrates wrote:(Hair-brained alternative: wait until lylo to lynch him, where even if he is telling the truth his mislynch is no worse than any other mislynch so it doesn't matter what his claim is. But that's a dumb strategy no matter how you sell it.)
IF he's town then scum would kill him at LYLO-1 and we'd lose our day at the worst possible moment and hand the scum a victory.
VasudeVa wrote:@Badger: What do you mean similar? BP's 'skill' activates on lynch or night kill. PGO would want the NK, BP will not.
I thought BP only triggered on a lynch. If it triggers on an NK then our best action is even more obvious; with the claim out we're going to lose a day at some point unless he's scum. Earlier in the game is better for town.
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 11:27 am

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Vi wrote:*sets out farside bait*
Sorry I'm still happy with my vote till someone proves the scum don't have a kill.
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 12:25 pm

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STUDY BREAK

AGAINST massclaim.
hp [leaves] wrote:I love how many people went from Mae-null to Mae-scummy.

I hate how it had to come to this. Because claiming at L-1 is pretty risky(quickhammers), I beg for one of you to unvote. I'll claim at L-2.
Reading along, saw the princess claim. First instinct with this is believe.
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For anyone wishing to lynch the claim I will now demand a long drawn out case on why especially from the player I'm voting on who is still scum in my eyes.
Did not like something about this. Don't know why.
Believe hp right now, though wavering. Would say let's lynch Vas due to the VA earlier EXCEPT something is making me doubt farside read.
Unvote

Curious why haven't I been attacked for my repeated I'M CATCHING UP posts.
Actually. Not sure at all on hp claim issue. Let's drop it for a sec.
hp, I forgot who you thought were suspect. Tell me plz.
Wait. we should leave him alive. If Llama is right and there is a COLOR COP, just investigate him, no?
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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 1:11 pm

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Ellibereth 869 wrote:Wait. we should leave him alive. If Llama is right and there is a COLOR COP, just investigate him, no?
I'm becoming increasingly skeptical about this prospect.
farside 868 wrote:Sorry I'm still happy with my vote till someone proves the scum don't have a kill.
I really don't feel like rehashing this issue.

VV 865's flimsy excuse for keeping his vote on hp while keeping up the baseless setup speculation on top of his blatant waffle in 855 has finally pushed me over.

See: VasudeVa
(L-5)

"Your failed promises of delivering meta-based analysis and NK analysis (as any type of scumhunting we should expect from you) are the bread of Vi's accusation!
And this lynch is the delicious mustard on that bread! It is the mustard of your doom!"
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 1:16 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:Wait. we should leave him alive. If Llama is right and there is a COLOR COP, just investigate him, no?
Yep, that should work pretty well

First glance I like Socrates to VV wagon, but I do see some connections between the two, especially with VV-TM
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 1:26 pm

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LlamaFluff 871 wrote:First glance I like Socrates to VV wagon, but I do see some connections between the two, especially with VV-TM
Where at?
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 1:40 pm

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hp[leaves], why aren't you voting for VasudeVa after 857?

Socrates, who's your second choice for your vote?

farside, same question.
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2010 1:53 pm

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Vi wrote:hp[leaves], why aren't you voting for VasudeVa after 857?

Socrates, who's your second choice for your vote?

farside, same question.
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