Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[Jack]

Why do you think there's a cult leader DGB?

You said there's a cult. When there is a cult, there is a cult leader.

Thank you for removing all possible doubt by behaving like a caught cult leader.

Also, Parama is obv town.

Now you're blatantly misquoting me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Now you're blatantly misquoting me.

Just reading between the lines.

[VP Baltar]

Parama sure spends a lot of time talking while saying nothing.

Jack, why did you assume other=cult?

@Oj, I chose town because it takes less time to dedicate toward the game and at the time I was invited I was a bit busy at work and not sure when things would clear up for me (but I was too greedy not to play). Also, please answer your own question.

Just based on meta, I'd say that UncertainKitten couldn't resist taking scum or other. I'd also lynch Zorblag without question today.

## Vote: UncertainKitten

[Fishythefish]

##vote: Jack

Giving a reason why you chose to be scum is scummy. Weird defense of Oj also - doesn't feel like a genuine reaction to Parama's comment, trying to undermine it before it was either explained or commented on by Oj.

[Nicodemus]

So, which alignment do you guys personally prefer and why did you choose town?

I felt I had no chance of playing scum successfully against this player list.

##Vote: Jack

[Jack]

It does seem likely to me that people who are known to love being scum would pick scum or other. The choice was far enough away from the actual game that worries about being caught out by it would be a bit distant. Most people probably just picked what the wanted to be, and figured they would use wifom to argue if they were accused of liking scum more.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Just based on meta, I'd say that UncertainKitten couldn't resist taking scum or other.

I'd also lynch Zorblag without question today.

Really? I would've bet on Zorblag selecting town, unless you think he'd abuse that expectation to pull a double move and select scum.

[VP Baltar]

So, which alignment do you guys personally prefer and why did you choose town?

I felt I had no chance of playing scum successfully against this player list.

##Vote: Jack

Really? You saw the player list before picking alignment?

[UncertainKitten]

@VP: Your meta sucks. I'm on record SEVERAL TIMES as saying I prefer town to scum since scum is too stressful. Other is even MORE stressful. Just because I managed to BARELY bring off TRADTiMM doesn't mean I enjoyed the process. That was a pain in the ass.

That said, I AM very proud of that victory.

But either way, I have a lot of stress in my life right now. I'm not going to add more by choosing scum or other unless it's a REALLY EASY other, which I doubt I'd get.

@Jack: Why would you waste a post pointing out something as obvious as that? Further, you don't even answer why you assumed other was cult...

[Jack]

##vote: Jack

Giving a reason why you chose to be scum is scummy.

I imagine it would be, inescapably. But saying what I like about being scum isn't (even though scum can daytalk I see, which is what makes being scum the most fun imo).

Weird defense of Oj also - doesn't feel like a genuine reaction to Parama's comment, trying to undermine it before it was either explained or commented on by Oj.

I didn't need OJ to explain anything.

I wonder what nico meant by that.

[Jack]

@Jack: Why would you

waste a post

pointing out something as obvious as that? Further, you don't even answer why you assumed other was cult...

Are you asking if I have a post restriction?

[UncertainKitten]

@VP: um...everyone saw the playerlist before picking alignment. Zoraster LINKS you to it in the choose your side PM

I don't understand why you even said that.

[Nicodemus]

So, which alignment do you guys personally prefer and why did you choose town?

I felt I had no chance of playing scum successfully against this player list.

##Vote: Jack

Really? You saw the player list before picking alignment?

It was included in the Pick Your Side pm I received.

[UncertainKitten]

@Jack: No, and that's a very odd thing to say in response to that.

I'm merely stating that mafia is a game of reads and rereads. Every post you make that contains very little game relevant content is purely noise. Noise makes it harder to determine alignment.

It is mildly hypocritical for me to bring this up though, since I have a notoriously high signal:noise ratio, but I do recognize that too much noise is bad, so I've been trying to cut down.

Basically, the point is that that post accomplished very little in what seems to be a situation where there were at least some serious things to reply to. I probably wouldn't care as much if it were truly RVS but it seems we are jumping right into the game (not a bad thing IMO).

[Jack]

@VP: um...everyone saw the playerlist before picking alignment. Zoraster LINKS you to it in the choose your side PM

I don't understand why you even said that.

I don't remember seeing it either. But checking the pm it does say "keep in mind the player list!" and links to it. So that takes care of Nico's comment.

[Jack]

It was included in the Pick Your Side pm I received.

That's a deliberately bare minimum defense,

fos:Nico

@UncertainK: kind of ironic reply

[DrippingGoofball]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Ellibereth
VP Baltar
UKitten
Nicodemus
Parama

CULT LEADER

Jack

NEUTRAL

DannyD
FishyFish

LEANING SCUM

LlamaFluff
xvart
At first I thought Ojanen was scum, but now reading back I misundertood his post.

[Jack]

You should put "non-hostile cult leader" if you're going to go with that.

[Fishythefish]

@Jack:
- I think that the line "Here's why I would have chosen scum if I had, but I didn't" is more likely to come from scum than town. Because you would be thinking more about reasons for choosing scum.
- You undermined Parama's comment without really knowing what he was saying. The line

It sounds like Parama has some weird idea that Ojananen is rolefishing or made a slip or one of those silly things people jump on.

is discrediting Parama's attack without really knowing what it entails, and I can't see any reason to do that.

You say Nico's defense is "minimalist". What, exactly, has he failed to defend, or how should his defense be expanded?

[DrippingGoofball]

You should put "non-hostile cult leader" if you're going to go with that.

ADMISSION OF GUILT

[farside22]

Hey all. I'm going to

vote DGB

because abr says she likes to be scum.

[Jack]

@Jack:
- I think that the line "Here's why I would have chosen scum if I had, but I didn't" is more likely to come from scum than town. Because you would be thinking more about reasons for choosing scum.

That's not true. If you chose town you didn't just think about why you like town. You also thought about what you don't like about town, what you like about scum, and what you don't like about scum.

- You undermined Parama's comment without really knowing what he was saying. The line

It sounds like Parama has some weird idea that Ojananen is rolefishing or made a slip or one of those silly things people jump on.

is discrediting Parama's attack without really knowing what it entails, and I can't see any reason to do that.

You can't see a reason to do it? That's nice, but scum are more likely to think about "reasons for doing something". And people who keep their cards close to their chest the whole game for some ungodly reason.

You say Nico's defense is "minimalist". What, exactly, has he failed to defend, or how should his defense be expanded?

No I didn't, that's not important, and that's irrelevant.

His defense sounded like he was worried about being too defensive. Scum points for that.

You should put "non-hostile cult leader" if you're going to go with that.

ADMISSION OF GUILT

That's not what "non-hostile" means DGB

[VP Baltar]

Well, all I know is that I've seen you as disinterested town more than once, particularly when you get vanilla. Therefore, I think you'd be inclined to take scum since you would see it as more "fun". You don't happen to have some of these SEVERAL TIMES do you?

@DDD - I think Troll has proven very successful as a scum player in the past and wouldn't mind the challenge. Why do you think he'd take town?

[Fishythefish]

I of course mean I can't think of any scumhunting/protown/getting interesting information reason for doing it. Saying things for something to say is definitely a scumtell in my book, and that feels like what you were doing here.

You said Nico's defense was a "bare minimum". AFAIC, he answered the point against him - which was whether he saw the player list in picking his side - with just a fact. What more could he possibly have said, and where did you get the idea that he was worried about sounding defensive?

[UncertainKitten]

@Jack: I disagree that it was very ironic, since what I said was relevant to the discussion.

@DGB: unless Llama has drastically changed in the past few months (not unlikely, but still not something I'd count on), he definitely prefers vanilla town. Of course, that does set him up for lol scum WIFOM, but yeah.

@VP: Not on hand. And I'm more disinterested as VANILLA town, but I love having a role as town. Particularly vig .

As I said, scum is too stressful.