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[VP Baltar]

Question: What do your previous two posts have to do with scumhunting?
Oh. Right.

Just highlighting your inside information. I don't expect to convince you that you're scum though.

Last time we played I was scum

Shhh, you're talking about big bad meta again.

[xvart]

I have yet to read a post by VP that I like. I just get a terrible gut feel from every one of his posts, and the logic is shallow, almost like he's not trying.

Why would you lead your case on gut, then follow with shallow logic? Wouldn't you want to lead with your most credible evidence (i.e. shallow posts) and then follow up with the less substantiated personal feelings of his posts?

And Para is probably Town too.

And why is that? The rapid backpedaling? The meta vs no-meta arguments?

DGB from one the QT of ours ->

I have to agree... another SlySly... watch out if he seems townie!

^^^About reading Para.

I think he's town.

Wait... what? Did I miss something? You have a QT? When did town aligned peeps get QTs??

FoS: Ellibereth
FoS: DGB

A guess based on my role PM.

I don't see a town aligned person getting a role pm that gives an indication of town population makeup.

@Jack: Why would you

waste a post

pointing out something as obvious as that? Further, you don't even answer why you assumed other was cult...

Are you asking if I have a post restriction?

Jack's post makes me a little uneasy. That is a pretty far fetching conclusion.

xvart.

[Jack]

What was the conclusion?

That quote that Elli posted from the QT is weird.

[DrippingGoofball]

Wait... what? Did I miss something? You have a QT? When did town aligned peeps get QTs??

FoS: Ellibereth
FoS: DGB

YAY more scum

It's like shooting fish in a barrel over here.

[Parama]

Question: What do your previous two posts have to do with scumhunting?
Oh. Right.

Just highlighting your inside information. I don't expect to convince you that you're scum though.

Because I was obviously being serious.

Last time we played I was scum

Shhh, you're talking about big bad meta again.

[/quote]
Nah, it's just a fact.
I won that game btw.

DGB from one the QT of ours ->

I have to agree... another SlySly... watch out if he seems townie!

^^^About reading Para.

I think he's town.

Wait... what? Did I miss something? You have a QT? When did town aligned peeps get QTs??

FoS: Ellibereth
FoS: DGB

Usually masons get QTs.
By the way he's talking about Mafia 109 where DGB and Elli hydra'd.

[xvart]

What was the conclusion?

That he was fishing for possible post restrictions?

xvart.

[Jack]

What was the conclusion?

That he was fishing for possible post restrictions?

xvart.

I don't see that I reached that conclusion. Although I see that you put things that you think are true in question form.

[Parama]

What was the conclusion?

That he was fishing for possible post restrictions?

xvart.

Are you asking him? Can't you be sure in your own reasoning?

FoS: xvart

Also I forgot to do this earlier

FoS: farside

for timing on jumping on my wagon

God I wish I was a dayvig

[Ellibereth]

##Unvote

##Vote: xvart

[LlamaFluff]

/wagon

##unvote
##Vote xvart

post 101 is so... reachy/ignorant

Also Parama is town for the people who havent figured it out.

[VP Baltar]

@Elli and Llama, your position that parama is too scummy to be scum?

[Zorblag]

Good day. I know most of you but for those that I'm meeting for the first time you're welcome to call me any of Zorblag, Zorb, Zor, Z or Troll.

Let me start by saying that I'm particularly thrilled to see that people seem to be doing a good job following the format for the voting. I was expecting that people would get that wrong a fair amount but I enjoy being wrong thus far. Hopefully that means that everyone has read the rules and has a good understanding of the instant night mechanism. That along with a relatively short deadline for day one (15 days with 24 players means that we're going to have to stay focused and present) are the next two things that we want to make sure we're all on top of.

If I was one of the first posters this game I was probably going to ask questions similar to the ones that Ojanen asked; they seem a pretty valuable way to get meaningful conversation going in this game. I think that it should be reasonably valuable to start with our expectations of how likely people are to pick various teams and work there.

Personally I picked town because in general scum is fairly easy to play whereas town is a nice challenge without being as impossible as other would be likely to be (I can get killed as town and not lose for my team; I imagine that wouldn't be the case for most other roles.) I like a challenge but I also like to have a decent shot at winning when I play a game.

Parama looks like he's going to be pretty distracting unless he settles down a bit. I mostly read his play thus far as clumsy rather than scummy but I don't have any experience with him so I might have to go look at some of his other play. He also is the one person who didn't pre-in so his claim that he joined based just on player list seems pretty decent. The rest of you I expect joined in larger part because it gave you the chance to pick your alignment.

The whole cult as non-hostile other idea seems pretty odd. Given that Vi was part of the design team here it's probably more likely that if we've got non-hostile others they'll have win conditions more in line with some of the ones listed in the possible win conditions listed in Mafia Reverberation (lyncher, moychendiser (which was already mentioned), researcher, reporter and survivor would all work.) I don't think that it's worth spending too much time on the setup speculation until we've seen some flips but those are the sorts of roles that I'll be keeping in mind when watching for behavior. Cults and Serial Killers are the obvious potential hostile others but I'm sure that it would be possible to come up with others.

Parama's scum numbers are ridiculously specific but everyone should be keeping how powerful their role mind when looking for scum. If others seem to be working with the assumption that there are lots more/less scum than you are it's a pretty decent flag that their alignment might not match yours (keeping in mind that there should be some variation of power inside the town.)

For those that know Jack, is this his standard play or is the cult business an unusual distraction?

##Vote: Charter

for being the first one alphabetically by user name not to have posted yet.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Cobalt]

##vote: zorblag

[VP Baltar]

For those that know Jack, is this his standard play or is the cult business an unusual distraction?

I have limited experience with Jack, but all of it has been recent. I'm not sure what to make of the cult thing honestly because it was an odd thing to say. However, I will say that I do think he plays pretty loose as town and thus draws attention. I haven't decided yet as to his alignment.

Also, do people really call you Zorb? That's very weird.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh my god the fucking quote stripes WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

That said:

@VP: Nah, I trust Zora and Vi to give me something cool. Honestly, given how much more power any given power role has for mafia, I'd honestly expect myself to be less likely to draw a PR as mafia. Not sure about other since it's a crap shoot to determine who would willingly give themselves a hard wincon.

Anyway, your minor rolefish is noted.

@Parama: Really? Why would you give up like that? Seriously?

@VP: I don't like your posting, and am ready to vote you given how pliable you been for basically any wagon that's occured. But Parama isn't doing too hot either. Jack also is of note.

@Para: seriously? Are you just going to OMGUS everyone on your wagon?

@VP: hi rolefishing.

@VP: hi misrep

@xvart: Nice. There are so many reasons that's a terrible post, at least regarding DGB and Ellibereth. Are you even TRYING to find scum? I shall await their response to the accusation though.

@Parama: Wow, that was terrible, you totally just made xvart's argument almost work.

Ok, seriously, at this point:

##Unvote

##Vote: VPBaltar

##FoS: xvart

##FoS: Parama

##FoS: Jack

@Troll: Get to the point. Your first two paragraphs suck. The rest of your post is good though. And hey, no quote stripes. I think I'll get along with you.

@Cobalt: This again? I mean, even vague reasoning would be cool.

Sorry, this is slightly wally. I'll provide links for my @'s where necessary if requested.

[Zorblag]

@VP Baltar, yeah, I get Zorb from time to time. People like to shorten names to a single syllable it seems and sometimes that ends up with the b, sometimes it doesn't.

@UncertainKitten, the first two paragraphs (and actually I suspect you meant he second two as I don't think you'd be that likely to object to a short hello) did serve a purpose. The rules in this game are going to be pretty important. It's worth making sure that I point out what I think the important bits at the start without dwelling on them. The bit about the questions Ojanen was asking was to establish how I'm going to be treating the start of this game.

Incidentally, I didn't mention it in that paragraph but I'm pretty comfortable with Ojanen's reason for saying that she chose town. It fits what I think I know of her well. The opening questions fit what I expect from town play from her also.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[UncertainKitten]

@Troll: I did mean the first two, though the hello was more because it was a whole paragraph rather than a simple hello, and could be seen as trying to build rapport to make you less likely to be lynched. So it's suspect. The second paragraph is "pro-town" fluff that scum can use to look good, much like rapport building, without actually doing anything. The rest, however, does quell that instinct. Regardless, I have an eye on you.

[VP Baltar]

@VP: I don't like your posting, and am ready to vote you given how pliable you been for basically any wagon that's occured.

You sure about that? Only people I've voted have been you, who no one was voting for, and Para, who has scum juice leaking out of his eyes.

Now, I mean, if we want to talk about someone trying to hedge bets for recent wagons:

##Unvote
##Vote: VPBaltar
##FoS: xvart
##FoS: Parama
##FoS: Jack

That could be a good place to start. Using a scumtell you're guilty of to vote someone is reason to lynch you.

Also, you should refine your definition of rolefishing to actually be accurate. Unless of course you just like buzz words like Para does, in which case please carry on.

DGB I hope you revise your list:

Caught and flailing scum

:

UncertainKitten
Parama

Likely buddies

:

Llamafluff

[UncertainKitten]

Heehee, I see that your only response is to counter OMGUS me. How...stereotypically scummy.

Let's see, you've made terrible meta posts that don't contribute anything, rolefished a couple times, though only mildly, and then finally misrepresented Parama I believe. (I should probably start linking in catch up posts myself to remember what I saw. I did recall a misrep though).

Para has VI juice pouring out of his eyes, with a couple scummy traits, hence my FoS.

Either way, you, quite frankly, reek of trying to fake it til you make it. And it's failing, terribly. So, that's my vote ^-^.

[VP Baltar]

Heehee, I see that your only response is to counter OMGUS me. How...stereotypically scummy.

Yes, I OMGUS'ed you preemptively in my first post.

Also, how did I misrep Parama? Seems to me that several people read his post exactly as I did, so are you claiming that they are misrepping him as well? If so, why am I scummy for it and those persons are not?

[LlamaFluff]

@Elli and Llama, your position that parama is too scummy to be scum?

Nope

He just doesnt read as scummy. That on top of his stance on meta being pretty identical to town him in a recent game, im going to go say he is fairly safe town at this point. His opening post is the only reason I dont have him as definantly town.

@UK - VI isnt scummy, just frustrating. Parama just needs to have someone direct him to a target.
@VPB - Im going to say there is almost zero chance UK is mafia, other is unlikely as well, due to past experience. DGB is town too for the same reason.

[VP Baltar]

Happy scumday, Llama.

I don't know Para, so I'll take your word on his meta in terms of you believing it.

You'll have to explain UK for me. I've given why I think she's scum meta wise and her contradiction of her own tells can't possibly be seen as coming from town.

DGB probably is town but I wouldn't take anything for granted from her. She's always a wildcard.

[Gammagooey]

VP, why do you make me paranoid in every game I'm in with you?

UK's actual vote on you is pretty bleh but I really like the rest of the FoSes, I'm not getting a gut scum read from her. Zor and Llama are cool too, but
-Llama can you give an example of a game on here where Parama acts like this as town? He does look all over the place right now.

##unvote
##Vote: Jack

You can explain the cult speculation ANY TIME NOW you know.

[LlamaFluff]

@VPB - I played a game where everyone starts as town then can change to scum if they want, DBG and UK were in that game with me and stayed town. Thats weighing heavily.

[Jack]

##unvote
##vote:Gammagooey

Somewhat scummy (none of this bleeding from the eyeballs stuff for me, not this early in the game thanks).