Mini 964: Another Story - Over!

[Deer]

Seeing as we are about to start soon, I have some questions to ask everybody.

1. Do you prefer a faster paced game or a slower game with discussion?

2. Do you think online mafia is more a psychological game or a logic game?

3. On day 1, do you think that a random lynch is better than no lynch?

4. Do you think that WIFOM is a scumtell?

5. Do you think that OMGUS is a scumtell?

6. Would you classify your playstyle as aggresive, analytical, passive or other (if so, state what).

1. Faster paced.
2. Psychological.
3. Yes.
4. Sometimes.
5. Sometimes.
6. Not sure. I'm usually succinct (as you can tell by my answers) and don't post a whole lot of text-walls. I'm not one of those guys who does ginormous ISO reads for every player in the game, but I catch scum. I analyze in my head but usually don't post everything I'm thinking about the player - only the important stuff.

@Red_Star: Why are you starting off with Random Questioning Stage? It's an absolutely pointless vehicle for starting discussion, and allows scum to contribute without fear. ANYBODY can answer these questions eloquently and look like a pro-town player.

I tend to disagree. It's not really about looking like a pro-town player at this point either - it's getting to know each other's playstyles, thoughts about mafia in general, etc.

and since you like RVS so much,

vote: yabbaguy

[Deer]

Wow, I really gotta start using preview. Elias posted the same thing I did and even RVS'd for the same person as me.

unvote, vote: elias_the_thief

for ninja'ing me! >:O

[Red Star]

There are several advantages of RQS, including getting to know people and finding more out about others' playstyles. However, that being said:

Vote:Thief

There can be only one thief in the house...

In all seriousness, the beginning part of the game is mostly getting to know everybody and introductions.

[Thief]

I wonder why Red Star chooses me over Elias. Mine is clearly the superior username and avatar.

Vote: Elias_the_thief

[Dr.Cyanide]

Seeing as we are about to start soon, I have some questions to ask everybody.

1. Do you prefer a faster paced game or a slower game with discussion?

2. Do you think online mafia is more a psychological game or a logic game?

3. On day 1, do you think that a random lynch is better than no lynch?

4. Do you think that WIFOM is a scumtell?

5. Do you think that OMGUS is a scumtell?

6. Would you classify your playstyle as aggresive, analytical, passive or other (if so, state what).

1. Both. Faster paced games (providing I'm online enough) are good fun. Slower games with more content tend to get more complicated, which I enjoy (brain-snappingly complicated games can drive you crazy, and that's entertaining.)

2. Again, both.

3. Depends on the game.

4. Depends on the situation.

5. Sometimes, depends on the player/ context I guess.

6. Uhmm, pass? I can be alot of those things, depending on what's going on in game.

Vote: Deer

'cause 'It's hunting season. Scum-hunting season.'

Yar.

[VibeBox]

Vote: Dr.Cyanide

Just like a doctor to make us wait.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Unvote. Vote: Vibebox.

Enjoy this OMGUS sandwich.

[Empking]

Vote: Yabba

- Answerring the questions and then saying what you said about the questioner seems scummy to me.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

And though they're not really that scummy, you're post seems like you're preoccupied by them.

Dr. Cyanide: Are you trying to act stupid/scummy.
Deer: Why did you change your vote? ("Elias voted the same player" is not an acceptable answer.)
Everyone (other than Elias) : Why didfn't you comment on Elias' serious vote before random voting?

[VibeBox]

Vote: Yabba

- Answerring the questions and then saying what you said about the questioner seems scummy to me.

To me it seems like the better scum play is simply to answer them and say nothing else, so as not to draw attention. The more time Town spends on idle chat, the better for Scum.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

This feels like a trap. If he hadn't answered and criticized he probably would have been met with a bunch of "Why don't you want to give info. Anti-Town!".
I'm not saying your suggestion isn't possible, I just disagree.

And though they're not really that scummy, you're post seems like you're preoccupied by them.

What else was there to be focused on, given the game hadn't even started yet.
Frankly the questions annoyed me because they were posted while we were still technically in confirmation phase, and they have now blurred the line of what should and shouldn't be viewed with an "in-game" context.

Everyone (other than Elias) : Why didfn't you comment on Elias' serious vote before random voting?

Because it felt like a relatively inconsequential, if somewhat overzealous, attempt to bypass the random stage.

[Empking]

Just answering your points.

Vote: Yabba

- Answerring the questions and then saying what you said about the questioner seems scummy to me.

To me it seems like the better scum play is simply to answer them and say nothing else, so as not to draw attention. The more time Town spends on idle chat, the better for Scum.

Going under the radar probably won't end up finally winning. Its best to try for pro-town points.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

This feels like a trap. If he hadn't answered and criticized he probably would have been met with a bunch of "Why don't you want to give info. Anti-Town!".
.

Possibly. But only scum would have thought about that. Town would just do what they want.

And though they're not really that scummy, you're post seems like you're preoccupied by them.

What else was there to be focused on, given the game hadn't even started yet.

Most players didn't think about how best to look town.

[yabbaguy]

@Elias (Cc: everyone else voting me): It's always an opinion I've held, not just me thinking like scum this one time. I nearly got swindled in a Newbie game by one player (markish) because he did an excellent job of continuing the RQS throughout the entirety of his stay in the game, even when I squawked at him, too.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

1. Do you think it would've been more pro-town if I had not answered the questions? I know your tactic is to go for town points, but trying to determine how scum would optimally play a situation leads to WIFOM circles.
2. An absurd remark. My way to start games is to be as argumentative as possible, because this is a game of arguing (so Deer fell is incorrect, I don't like RVS either). It leads to scumhunting which leads to scum lynching.
So, yes, I want brownie points for beginning to scumhunt, even if it's based on a highly disagreeable opinion. Why is this problematic?

[Empking]

Yabba:

The problem isn't that you did 1 OR 2. The problem is that you did both which is what you'd do if you were paranoid or overthinking it, not if you were just town responding to a post.

The Ad Hom (the reference to my play style) and the frankly ridiculous idea that you shouldn't think how scum would play are also points for you being scum.

[Chevre]

Vote: Cuetlachti

because that is not a name I want to spell for the duration of the game.

My (very succinct) replies to Red_Star's questions.

1. Slowish. I don't want it sluggish, nor do I like wall o' posts.
2. Truthfully, a logic game. I'm borderline believing all the psychological stuff is a conspiracy
3. Yes.
4. No.
5. No.
6. Passive.

Vote: Yabba - Answerring the questions and then saying what you said about the questioner seems scummy to me.

I agree. If yabbaguy wouldn't have answered the questions and said that, I would have understood his response better.

Everyone (other than Elias) : Why didfn't you comment on Elias' serious vote before random voting?

I don't think

you

did.

[yabbaguy]

So the issue seems to be that I'm a hypocrite for answering the questions I stated I despise. I already said outright I did 2.

I know where I made the mistake. I've done this before (as both alignments, granted), answering and badgering the random questions simultaneously, but the past times I have, I've always followed up with the question "What do you learn from my answers?". It's an absolutely ridiculous oversight, but that's why I answer the questions, to make an example of how ridiculous questionnaires are.

@Red Star: What do you learn from my answers?

The Ad Hom (the reference to my play style) and the frankly ridiculous idea that you shouldn't think how scum would play are also points for you being scum.

I don't think you understood my last point correctly. Just because I use your playstyle as a reference does not constitute Ad Hom, to me anyway. I was using it as an example, saying "that's your notion of how you'd play scum, but not all scum play like you do." Hence the WIFOM remark about deducing which way they're going to play the game, if it even falls into that dichotomy.

Clearer this time?

[Cuetlachtli]

Vote: Cuetlachti

because that is not a name I want to spell for the duration of the game.

You would be surprised how many ppl vote me for this same exact reason in other games during RVS. That said...

OMGUS!

vote: Chevre

[Deer]

Deer: Why did you change your vote? ("Elias voted the same player" is not an acceptable answer.)

I don't like RVS wagons, really. Didn't want to start one, and Elias did ninja me...

Everyone (other than Elias) : Why didfn't you comment on Elias' serious vote before random voting?

Was his vote serious? I thought it was somewhat random, although I can see where you're coming from. I don't necessarily think that yabba's actions were worthy of a serious vote. That being said, I don't find the vote itself all that scummy.

[yabbaguy]

Speaking as the recipient of the vote, Elias' vote was an as-serious-as-can-be vote, I believe. Not random, but not fully developed either.

[Elias_the_thief]

to a post.
The Ad Hom (the reference to my play style) and the frankly ridiculous idea that you shouldn't think how scum would play are also points for you being scum.

I think the Ad Hom point here is kind of a stretch, and honestly I don't think that the point about WIFOM is as bad as you make it out to be. You seem to be a little too eager to paint normal points as scum tells.

Yaggaguy, you are correct about my vote. I figured the more serious it seemed, the less time we spend in the RV/RQS. That being said, there was no serious suspicion behind the vote.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Dr. Cyanide: Are you trying to act stupid/scummy.

Dude, it was a joke.

Unvote. Vote: Empking.

I don't like your seriousness. Nor the way you're putting things. Little things like

'going for pro-town points,'

make you look scummy.

[Red Star]

1. Faster. Apathy kills Town if it gets out of hand.
2. Both. Like wondering why you started the RQS.
3. Random lynch. NL is uninformative and stupid.
4. Not a catch-all.
5. Not a catch-all.
6. Wildly swingy.

@Red_Star: Why are you starting off with Random Questioning Stage? It's an absolutely pointless vehicle for starting discussion, and allows scum to contribute without fear. ANYBODY can answer these questions eloquently and look like a pro-town player.

Too bad I can't vote right now.

To let you know, RQS is a perfectly acceptable method of getting to know other people you are playing with and seeing if people slip up later. Also, what strikes me as odd is that you consider this scummy, despite the fact that it is literally the only thing we were able to do, seeing as it was pre-game. I personally RVS to have the possibility of accidently screwing over the town on occaision, but in reality there is no foolproof way to win.

@Red Star: What do you learn from my answers?

First of all, I know that you prefer a faster paced game because in a slow one people lose interest. Secondly, you like to throw around suspicions by accusing the person who asked the questions of acting scummy. Thirdly, you prefer a random lynch over a no-lynch, as it is more revealing and gives more data to work with. Fourthly, you believe that WIFOM and OMGUS are not a valid scumtell, as anybody could use them legitimitely. Finally, you classify your playstyle as extremely erratic, giving you leeway to act however you want and claim it's what you always do.


So far, Dr. Cyanide has voted three completely different people which is either really poor scum play or just plain stupid. Are you intentionally trying to cast as of yet baseless suspicions?

yabba-2
elias-2
empking-1
dr cyanide-1
thief-1

That said, I'm

FoS:yabbaguy

and

FoS:Dr. Cyanide

for trying to cast baseless suspicions and accusations, and in Cyanide's case being wishy-washy with votes.
Looks like this game is starting to get out of RVS right about now...

[Empking]

Clearer this time?

Yeah its much clearer. Thank you.

Deer: Have you got any other games when you unvoted to prevent an RVS wagon?

Cyanide: So the answer is: "Yes I was trying to act stupid in order to garner a laugh"?

What's wrong with "Going for pro-town points"? How would you put it?

[VibeBox]

Just answering your points.

Going under the radar probably won't end up finally winning. Its best to try for pro-town points.

Possibly. But only scum would have thought about that. Town would just do what they want.

Most players didn't think about how best to look town.

I see your points on all accounts here, but feel they could just as easily be playstyle as opposed to scummyness.

I have a question for you though. Why have you singled out Cyanide's OMGUS vote as being worthy of mention, but not any of the random votes immediately before and after it?

[Empking]

He was being delibarately stupid and ridiculous. That's different from making a RV with a comment.

[VibeBox]

He was being delibarately stupid and ridiculous. That's different from making a RV with a comment.

How exactly is this:

Vote: Deer

'cause 'It's hunting season. Scum-hunting season.'

Yar.

Any more "stupid and ridiculous" than this:

Vote: Dr.Cyanide

Just like a doctor to make us wait.

Or this:

Vote: Cuetlachti

because that is not a name I want to spell for the duration of the game.

[Empking]

It isn't.

This is:

Unvote. Vote: Vibebox.

Enjoy this OMGUS sandwich.