Mini 950: DCI Mafia (The Results Are In...)

[Slaxx]

First of all, hello Nacho, Parama, Nic, and Nik. Good to be playing with you guys again.

/confirm

1. 6 or 7 games here, a crapton of EM games.
2. I lurk a lot more as scum, but sometimes my real life gets in the way too. So far my scum:town ratio has been really low, the only game I've been mafia in is Jekyll Mafia in the mini them games so feel free to check it out.
3. Since my playstyle is still developing, my meta is still changing. I don't have a set town meta.
4. It depends on who quicklynched them and what my read on them was. No two situations are necessarily the same. In general though, the quickhammer-er would fall under heavy suspicion of me and receive a Slaxx-interrogation the next day =).
5. Same. It could be a buss. Its just as suspicious IMO.
6. Reread and look for connections, of course. And bring them up and present them and judge reactions.

[Slaxx]

Lol didn't I do that too Nic?

[Slaxx]

vote muh316

No random vote, or are we waiting for a bandwagon?

[Slaxx]

You didn't random vote.

[Slaxx]

This thread can't die already.

Let's try to squeeze some discussion out of people.

Animorpherv, have you bothered to look up Nic's meta or ask some people in the forum (obviously many here have played with him before) if this is true about his meta? Why go straight to the vote? Don't pull the it was random card either, because you stated it wasn't.

Comment on Nacho's Refusal to A RQS: I have refused to answer RQS in the past as town. I'm not for sure why this is an FoS.

muh316, was that vote on Nic for a reason or just for a bigger bandwagon?

I hate the inconsistency between games and players. I'm in another game with an extremely scummy person who everyone says is town because of her META, but no matter how hard I push for her lynch no one bites. I don't get why its okay in that game to let her go but to vote someone in this one. -headesk

[Slaxx]

Yeah I don't like that reason. You are going for a policy lynch before Nic really has a chance to do much. I don't know about the VI behavior, Parama. Pushing for a lynch like this doesn't feel VI.

[Slaxx]

Its still early in the game. Discussion is waning. Everyone is gonna be reaching for reasons. However, I think Parama has had to reach the least so far. It did indeed seem kunk was wary about the random vote. I think he tried to cover it up by adding muh as a side note.

unvote

vote: kunkstar7

[Slaxx]

You contradict yourself. Do me a few favors.

Look up the definition of random.
Look up the first few pages of virtually any game.

Come back to me and try to argue coherently.

Random=Unreasoned
Reasoned =/= Unreasoned.

Bandwagons generate discussion. Not single votes.

[Slaxx]

They are both random. Analyzing those comments lead to WIFOM. I dont look at that stuff. I look at the bandwagons. Anyway we are drifting off into game play debate which is for a different forum. The point is, ive never questioned a random vote on me. I know its random. The fact that you did gives me unsettling feelings.

[Slaxx]

^ This is why I like this guy.

Anyway, I obviously want to hear opinions on the newly formed kunk wagon, specifically Nicodemus and Ani.

[Slaxx]

That is just the way Nacho plays. I have played with him before and he is pretty good at picking out mafia. He is a very striaghtforward player who isnt afraid to throw around his vote and use it to his advantage.

Kunk, you're arguments keep failing. Everything in this game is subjective. We have nothing thats concrete, especially day 1. The democracy, the town rather, decides on what is scummy. Right now that subjective democracy is leaning towards you.

Nacho's thought pattern is clear. He was using his vote as a means of pressuring people who haven't contributed or contributed in a while. He was satisfied with the answer and moved on to the next person. When I feel his vote is uncalled for or I start feeling he isnt contributing, then I will ask him why.

[Slaxx]

Why do you find kunk inno?

[Slaxx]

Yes sorry, bad word choice.

The reasons Parama posted in addition to Kunk and I's back and forth don't bother you then? I find the subtle but nevertheless existent concern for the random vote on him unnerving.

[Slaxx]

Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.

[Slaxx]

Nic, can you point me towards some of your recent town games? I need to do a little research. Obviously the town grasp I thought on you was not accurate (see: Invasion of Liten D1 xD)

[Slaxx]

Fair enough.

You called them out, but your vote remains on Nacho. Why are you being stingy with the vote?

[Slaxx]

Param sparked discussion. I don't see whats wrong with that.

[Slaxx]

I see people trying to hop on a lets bash Parama verbal wagon. He tried to create discussion. It doesnt matter when it is. He tried to get things moving forward. If you've got a problem, vote for him. Otherwise just let it go and let his scum reads react. You guys have distracted the entire intent of his post. The only one who has really defended themselves is kunk.

Frankly I agree with Parama's FoSs, although not with the Nacho one.

[Slaxx]

I'm coming to his defense because he has got the game moving again. Why did you not vote until I prompted you to do so in my post?

I am not parroting his reads, I agree with them. They follow a degree of logic. Would you rather me lie and make up some crap that I don't believe just to make myself look better? That's what scum do.

[Slaxx]

I see people trying to hop on a lets bash Parama verbal wagon. He tried to create discussion. It doesnt matter when it is. He tried to get things moving forward.

If you've got a problem, vote for him.

Otherwise just let it go and let his scum reads react. You guys have distracted the entire intent of his post. The only one who has really defended themselves is kunk.

Frankly I agree with Parama's FoSs, although not with the Nacho one.

[Slaxx]

Mainly I'm going off of META of nacho for now. Although he is lurking, which is bugging me a bit.

[Slaxx]

That's not a rebuttal or an explanation concerning our argument. That's ad hominem. Would you like to try again?

[Slaxx]

So what was the sudden change in mindset between this:

Parama, the game was dead because it was fucking Easter weekend. I don't expect people to take time from being with their families to play mafia.

and this:

[/quote]Unvote
Vote: Parama

It would be really awesome if you could drop the egotistical arrogance. [/quote]

This discussion is NOT null and it is NOT a distraction. You have come under my suspicion (and vice versa). Where as I want to talk about it and sort through it, YOU just want to dismiss it as nothing. If you seriously FoS me, why do you want to drop our argument?

And what do you mean not caught up with the game? You've been posting consistently for the past few days.

[Slaxx]

I'm not making myself look better. I'm pointing out the fact that you voted for him for the same reason as the previous post, or at least thats the way the post is setup to read. You vote him for being arrogant, and then start backing (or attempting to rather) your point.

[Slaxx]

unvote

vote ani

Yeah.

[Slaxx]

Sigh am I actually going to have to push a wagon?

[Slaxx]

Join the ani wagon. Its good and stuff.

He has done not much outside the RQS and kind of echo other people's opinions. I know I did that with Parama but I backed up why. Just not feeling his play right now.

So change, for the good of all things.

[Slaxx]

I think it is actually. That and we're both plagues with the inconvenience of huge egos.

[Slaxx]

Probably.

You voted me because I was quick to defend Parama, but both of our arguments were kind of on his playstyle. Now take note that was before you made your case on him. So in essence, we disagreed on his playstyle, or his straightforwardness, and thats why you FoSed me.

[Slaxx]

We need more BWs. Everyone hop on. Don't be afraid.

[Slaxx]

Sorry, FoSed. It was late at night, I got it wrong at the start of the sentence but rifht at the end xD

[Slaxx]

Eh its better than nothing, I figure if we start a bandwagon on at least four or five people today we'll have some good info for day 2. I always find that I would love to have less talking and more votes in all my games, it seems to speak louder than words.

[Slaxx]

pwned.

Stephoscope, you got an opinion on Ani?

Looker, you got an opinion on Starbuck?

Navy, you got an opinion on Parama?

Nic, you got an opinion on Nacho?

Oh, and these can be reversed too, for ultimate funsies.

Nacho has already given his reverse funsies opinion though.

[Slaxx]

^ best mod ever.

[Slaxx]

I will ask what every great scumhunter asks: Why Parama?

[Slaxx]

I see. And Starbuck?

[Slaxx]

Interesting enough. I think Stephoscope is a good BW candidate along with Ani. I can't really read Starbuck, I think we are just clashing in playstyles/personality. Other scum could be Nico or muh's replacement.

[Slaxx]

Policy lynches are protown?

[Slaxx]

Nic's town play is scummy. Go check out Invasion of Liten in the mini normals. We cant just policy lynch people in a closed setup like this. What if Nic is a PR? He could be a doctor or roleblocker and we're going to lynch him for a meta comment on the first page? No. I'm not. The reasoning behind that vote was not protown, it was foolish at best.

[Slaxx]

He was lurking before that. Its called an easy target, and its usually what mafia go for.

[Slaxx]

In fact, under ISO, you havent done anything BUT go for Looker.

[Slaxx]

Dead thread is dead. Someone do something x_x

[Slaxx]

Up at the Du, huh?

[Slaxx]

Anyway.

unvote

Vote Stephoscope

We can get Ani, his partner, tomorrow. Then we'll sift through what is left.

[Slaxx]

No. Steph is scum. Stop defending your buddy you're being too obvious. Geez. So its Ani/Steph/Parama then.

Who does town want to lynch first?

[Slaxx]

Nacho, I like stepho better.

[Slaxx]

True. I guess I could go either way.

unvote

Vote Ani

[Slaxx]

Could be both. More likely scum.

[Slaxx]

Oh cool. You're voting me for sarcasm.

[Slaxx]

I guess ani doesnt realize that I was trying to start up conversation again.

The probably was sarcasm. Thought it was pretty obvious.

[Slaxx]

Lol I'm not buddying. And even so you only pointed it out after I FoSed you for not voting ani, you're obv buddy.

[Slaxx]

I seriously can't believe Ani and Parama haven't already been lynched. And I trusted this town too.

[Slaxx]

Starbuck , we can get his partner today. We'll lynch Parama tomorrow.

[Slaxx]

Its fun, and this game is dwindling when it comes to activity. I'm being as controversial as possible to try to spark discussion.

I have played with ani scum before I think. It was a fire and ice mafia game modded by CSL if its the one im thinking of.

[Slaxx]

I'd love to hear Kunk's opinion of the Ani wagon.

[Slaxx]

Parama's 3 scum post might have created more discussion, but my 3 scum post is better.

Case coming soon.

[Slaxx]

Honestly, Parama, I believe you would have called out Ani moreso than those first three scum reads. And the fact you dismissed his behavior as VI so early in the game. I don't like that at all. MY reads change just like yours did. I've never played MS with you, so I can't really call you out on Meta. However, from this game, I feel like you're being dodgy about the Ani wagon. And since Ani is my biggest scum read (I've played scum with him before, its pretty much like this) naturally someone who I feel is being dogy about his wagon will also be on my scumdar. Its not that you disagree with me, its more of the fact I feel you let him go too easy on your alls back and forth earlier in the middle of the game, you automatically dismissed him as VI, and you weren't really on me until I started FoSing you. Now you're pushing extremely hard for my lynch, calling me obv scum, before I even present my case.

And...That's not proof, but I'd be happy to hear your opinion on how it is.

[Slaxx]

And...That's not proof, but I'd be happy to hear your opinion on how it is.

[Slaxx]

In essence, yes. But I have explained why.

I still don't really see buddying. I see me explaining a queston for you and agreeing with your reads...I think thats about it. But since other people seem to think it was I guess everyone will continue to call it that.

[Slaxx]

Ah, at the end of this deadline, the semster will be over. Beautiful.

I'll have to reread the thread. I skimmed the pages earleir but to no avail.

[Slaxx]

I said I had a case on you, Parama. My thing with Ani was pretty much everyone else's: Active Lurking (He did that in the fire and Ice game where he was scum), the accent on the RQS, and the lack of scumhunting.

The fact you dismissed his behavior as VI gave me uneasy feelings because it seemed really early to make such decisions.

And yes, I do feel I'm being setup.

[Slaxx]

vote:Nikanor

Also, Nicodemus needs to post. He does this as town too though, so who knows.

[Slaxx]

This game along with everything else is making me question my sanity.

I still have to reread two games bleh.

[Slaxx]

vote kunkstar

[Slaxx]

I think we were steered away from a kunk lynch yesterday. I think we had it right.

[Slaxx]

Yeah. And I was the first one to move off the damn kunk wagon too. But I did think Ani was more scummy than kunk. Of course now it's obvious I don't.

[Slaxx]

That is just Nico's town meta. I would prefer not to policy lynch on day 2.

[Slaxx]

Parama....i don't see how three flips have anything to do with anything.

[Slaxx]

Assuming there is a vig. Tracker could have visited town killing role...etc. WIFOM. Not getting into it.

[Slaxx]

CMAR....How come 2? Could it not be all 3?

[Slaxx]

Chill. Seriously.

[Slaxx]

As amusing as it is to be a 3rd party in this discussion, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game.

[Slaxx]

Lol kunk. GENERALLY a 12 person setup has 3 mafia. Are you sure that wasnt a cheap shot because I have expressed some suspicion on you?

[Slaxx]

True. I'm going to continue to assume 3 because thats all ive seen these 12 player setups with, but im sure there are exceptions.

[Slaxx]

Starbuck's claim rubs me the wrong way.

vote Starbuck

I feel it was manipulative in a way. Way too early of a claim.

[Slaxx]

Nice AtE. Thats not really a defense at all.

[Slaxx]

Nicodemus....What about Stgarbuck's claim. Wtf is with that?

[Slaxx]

I have nothing to hide. Therefore I am clear.

WOW, THIS GAME IS EASY LULZ. Now all the other townies say it and we win!

uh, no. And I agree that ? Nik's vote was a one of suspicions too.

@Nic Specifically: Do you think it could be a bus?

[Slaxx]

-Agree that Nik's vote.

[Slaxx]

@Parama, directing a vig kill is scummy. If anything town will come to a consensus on it. Not like if there is a vig they have to follow it anyway, but I think thats the best move for us.

Also...why are we so sure there is a vig? A game I just got done with had a paranoid gun owner hybrid in it. Mafia visited him and a mafia died, then there was all this talk about a serial killer. Nacho knows what im talking about.

Anyway, dont rule anything out. Although I would agree that looker was probably the optimal vig kill, he could have easily visited a PGO or something else. I wouldn't be relying on any sort a vig kill.

[Slaxx]

You can't clear yourself.

A. You didn't get the sarcasm of my post
B. You didn't get the relevance to your post


Either way, the only thing you've done lately is claim VT and have back and forth game irrelevant or distracting arguments with people, making my confidence in my vote all the more sweeter.

[Slaxx]

In fact, you have done nothing but tunnel on Parama the whole game. I just ISOed you, and you FoSed me once, along with Stephoscope...

[Slaxx]

So why arent you expressing suspicion? Give me some examples of non Parama tunneling posts that consisted of scumhunting.

Parama, I would much rather a kunk lynch.Kunk hasnt done jack squat scumhunting if I recall (I can ISO later) and has only really been active when FoSed. CMAR has hardcore lurked but at least offered up a decent case on Nik.

[Slaxx]

Hm, kunk HAS done some stuff as of late. I'll have to reread the thread later.

[Slaxx]

You guys are freaking idiots. A mass claim on day 2. Lmfao. LMFAO.

[Slaxx]

Lmfao. Okay, so I just ISOed steph and he has done next to nothing the whole day. He threw a little flak around but never really commited to anything behind a CMAR lynched based on the fact that what he says makes sense but his gut says otherwise.

So lets just say right now He and Nikanor are scum together. This is a possibility. Anyone have suggestions on scum 3 if this is the case?

[Slaxx]

His ISO 86 unvote of Nikanor was interesting.
His Steph is town comment is also interesting.

[Slaxx]

lol.
this is facepalm worthy. how does that prove jack shit?

[Slaxx]

I'll let him explain, but I think I see what happened.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, Nacho is getting a little ridiculous.

[Slaxx]

Parama is tripping over himself. I got to sort stuff out. Something isn't right.

[Slaxx]

So, because you are tripping over yourself, us 3 are scum? Or is there like, something i am missing here.

[Slaxx]

No its not. If you dont believe the miller claim, or think it makes nik more scummy, you should want to lynch nik, maybe not first, but regardless.

[Slaxx]

Oh, and PArama trips over himself again in the above post.

[Slaxx]

If kunk flips guilty, then Starbuck is not good vig meat.

Kunk is a better lynch than Starbuck, as far as I can tell.

vote kunk

I have my own reason's for doing this, and it has nothing to do with Parama's town cred.

[Slaxx]

I already said that the I feel we were steered away from a kunk wagon d1.

[Slaxx]

Yep. I thought Ani was more scummy. Now since he is confirmed town, I feel assured about my original FoS. Also, muh was super scummy, so I should keep an eye on his replacement as well.

[Slaxx]

...Facepalm.

I am not lynching Starbuck, so Nikanor it is.

vpte Nikanor

[Slaxx]

-

vote Nikanor

[Slaxx]

Parama is going to give his scum read a hammer.
Questions?

[Slaxx]

Sounds to me like you are setting Starbuck up to hammer wrongly so you can continue to harass her tomorrow.

[Slaxx]

I was making the assumption that you were scum and you knew they were mislynch targets.

[Slaxx]

...Wow, See, I knew something was up with Parama.

Anyway, I am going to reread.

[Slaxx]

With 6 left, I do believe a no lynch is the right option, I will wait until I get some feedback.

[Slaxx]

Can you link me to popcorn massclaiming?

[Slaxx]

nvm. wiki got it

[Slaxx]

Does Everyone agree on Steph->Nicodemus->Slaxx->Nacho then?

[Slaxx]

Oh. I didn't know thats how it worked. 0_o

I thought town just agreed on an order.

[Slaxx]

Prod Stephoscope

Has been 3 days.

I prodded everyone when day started - it doesn't count towards the "third prod = replacement" limit, but it does count for "48 hours between prod and replacement." If he hasn't posted by tomorrow night, I'll start looking for a replacement. - ToD

[Slaxx]

oRite. Slow week for me...for once...

Sorry.

[Slaxx]

Lmao. One question....Why is our doc claim not dead?

[Slaxx]

Wow, 9 days. This is getting nowhere,

[Slaxx]

From the looks of activity, you won't miss much. I am not complaining about you replacing out, more or less i was complaining about the inactivity and speculating the length of your V/LA.

Anyway hopefully its on vacation and you have fun =)

As to steph, how much more daylight are we gonna burn before we can discuss stuff again?

[Slaxx]

From the looks of activity, you won't miss much. I am not complaining about you

being on V/LA

, more or less i was complaining about the inactivity and speculating the length of your V/LA.

Anyway hopefully its on vacation and you have fun =)

As to steph, how much more daylight are we gonna burn before we can discuss stuff again?

Fixed.

[Slaxx]

oh welcome back nic, we'll have to hang out =O

I am the Bluecoats, from Canton Ohio.

[Slaxx]

Oh and Nacho, your up. PoE of course.

[Slaxx]

Ah, sounds grand, yes.

WELL. If my name doesn't say it all, I am cop. I am named for my police force in my city. Since I am a band and not an actual cop, my sanity isn't guaranteed. When I saw the tracker flip, I thought I would have a catch, but I didn't. I am a normal cop, surprisingly.

I investigated Starbuck n1. I got an innocent. I was okay with lynching her after I saw the tracker flipped, because my flavor suggested I was probably naive. When Nik claimed miller I had second thoughts, obviously, because there is no point in a miller for a naive cop. So I went ahead and went with the Nik wagon, first of all because I thought nik had a chance at being scum, but second because I really wanted to see if there was a miller. Its pretty evident that I had a change of heart about Starbuck near the end of the day.

n2 I investigates Parama. I got a guilty. Poor guy wasn't even cop immune.

I will go back and find some bread crumbs, I know I did a little bit.

[Slaxx]

This game along with everything else is

making me question my sanity.

I still have to reread two games bleh.

My sanity breadcrumb.

You guys are freaking idiots. A mass claim on day 2. Lmfao. LMFAO.

Me getting extremely pissed about mass claim already.

...Facepalm.

I am not lynching Starbuck, so Nikanor it is.

vpte Nikanor

After Nik claims miller.

[Slaxx]

Nicodemus can go next, if he is so obliged.

[Slaxx]

Although Stephen's case is bad, CMAR isn't doing much to defend himself. Kunk should back off for a while, as should the rest of the town, and let CMAR defend himself, or incriminate himself. His choice. Also, I thought we agreed that discussion should be held until after the mass claim.

[Slaxx]

And then discussion resumes, I presume? I can't wait to sink my teeth into this game.

[Slaxx]

I thought we were no lynching for possible mylo. Although it does take four to lynch, right?

I would be wary about voting...Scum could blitz if two townies are on a townies wagon.

Anyway expect a fairly detailed write up on my thoughts by the end of the week. Please hold off voting for now.

[Slaxx]

So the setup now looks like:

1 Serial Killer
1 Cop
1 Tracker
1 Doctor (Assuming kunk's claim is legit)
2 Mafiosos who may or may not have additional night actions
1 Miller
5 Vanilla Townies.

This seems about right. I think kunk's doc claim is legit. Does anyone disagree with this?

[Slaxx]

So then CMAR, do you think Steph is scum?

[Slaxx]

Its pretty easy. I am cop, Kunk is supposed doc, everyone else is VT. Tracker and Miller are dead, so is Serial killer.

[Slaxx]

Indeed, I think i expressed that earlier. But to me a tracker and cop and a miller vs 2 mafia and a serial killer seems a little unbalanced, but I don't have much experience with setups so maybe not. I still think it is legitimate though, despite them not killing him. Maybe they found out Parama was SK n1 via a rolecop and wanted to take him out, or maybe they thought Parama was just more threatening. Either way its WIFOM, but I think the claim is legit for now.

[Slaxx]

CMAR is doing some serious fence sitting IMO. I guess I will get my ISOs up tomorrow...I have an event to attend in the evening so expect to see it up midafternoon.

[Slaxx]

I am not a man of math, but I think a NL would be statistically favorable today.

[Slaxx]

Okay, still, just in case, I would prefer nobody put a second vote on anyone. ISOs up within 24 hours.

[Slaxx]

Yawn. Waking up at 2 PM is awesome. Alright, I guess its time to get going. I thought getting out of school meant no more work, but obviously not.

Page 1

Nothing special here. Only RQS. Nacho refuses to answer them, which is actually a town read to me. In my opinion, scum would not want to attract any negative attention towards themselves, especially that early in the game. As Nicodemus said, usually scum like to disguise their uselessness.

Nacho: 1 Town Point

Page 2

Page 2 is where I get my first scum read. Muh/CMAR seems reluctant to vote here. I don't like having to pressure people to vote in RVS, its never been a good sign for me.

Muh/CMAR:2 Scum Points

Page 3

This page is where some controversy starts to spark. This is where it would have been nice to have at least one scum flip. Nothing extremely eventful goes on here. Only notable events are Stephoscope's lurking and kunk and I's back and forth on more or less game mechanics. Nacho and Parama go back and forth but I would say its a pretty safe bet they are not on the same team (SK flip)

Page 4

Kunk calls out Nacho for a random vote. I like this, because he even got on to me about not getting on to him about it. Secondly throughout the game and as of late every now and then a Nacho/Kunk scumteam kept itching at my conscience. However I don't think this is the case, mainly due to this post. One thing I saw back on page 1 was kunk's reason to vote Nacho was for "winning". I might was well address the concern now.

Kunk: What was the meaning behind your very first RVS on nacho when you said "for winning"?

Also, in other news, Steph finally appears on the scene.

Another interesting move is when Nicodemus refuses to put kunk at L-2. However, he votes muh, which is a cool thing to do. I don't think kunk and Nicodemus are a scum team, simply because of recent events. I don't think scum would want to risk a bus with only two of them and a serial killer running around.

Nicodemus, can you link me to any games where you were hesitant about placing the L-2 or similar vote as TOWN?

Page 5

None of you posted here xD. Stephoscope disco danced, but thats about it. Speaking of that.

Stephoscope: 1 Scum Point for active lurking.

Page 6

Nacho prefers the kunk wagon over the ani wagon.

Page 7

Nicodemus's hypocrisy on this page rubs me the wrong way. First of all, Nacho is right. Its a copout of scumhunting. Then nicodemus turns around and admits it to be a copout.

Nicodemus: 1 Scum Point

Page 8

The back and forth between me and Stephoscope. Here's what's up: the wording in his first post is pretty confident. Based on this I don't think Stephoscope and Nicodemus are partners. Post 184 seems like an overreaction, which bugs me a little bit. As I mentioned, Steph continues to tunnel on looker and not hunt for any other scum. Not a good thing.

Stephoscope: 1 Scum Point

Page 9

Stephoscope dishes out a copout statement. Post 209. Basically saying "Well I am going to continue tunneling on looker even though I know he won't respond because he said he was gonna get replaced anyway but don't suspect me for it even though there are other scum to be had"

Page 10

Nicodemus gets reads up, they seem town-motivated. Kunk seems timid about getting on wagons, which is actually a town tell to me, and even moreso a doc tell.

Page 11

Steph's post 268 rubs me the wrong way. Also: Kunk's refusal to jump on the ani wagon when there is a wagon on him gives him town points. I remember asking that question for a reason =P

Page 12

For some reason Starbuck's post made me lol. Anyway, CMAR gives a town motivated case on nikanor here.

Page 13

Post 305 is like, just wut. "His case makes sense, but my gut is telling me otherwise".

Half time Folks. right now scum is either Nacho/Kunk (unlikely) or Nicodemus/CMAR (more likely). I want to say stepho is scum so bad but I can't really pair him up with anyone besides maybe Nacho or Kunk.

[Slaxx]

Btw, typo in page 6. Nacho wanted the ani wagon, not kunk wagon.

[Slaxx]

Nacho, I also have an investigation though. Assuming kunk is doc they would have to kill him anyway. So they can get to me the next day. I still think a NL is better so I can get another investigation, Unless there is a roleblocker which I guess is a possibility.

[Slaxx]

There are other things that can be commented on CMAR.

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By the way, CMAR is pretty much using flavor as an excuse for scumhunting I believe. You can analyze flavor all you want but I would prefer you look at behavioral patterns instead.

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One of you is playing me xD

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Who is scum and why, CMAR? Same to steph.

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CMAR, you can scumhunt without flavor. Everyone else here is pushing discussion forward in some way...Erm, well Nic and Nacho are anyway. My message to you: stop using flavor as a cop out.


A question to the town: Is there anyway in anyone's opinions that the CMAR/Steph thing could be some sort of mindscrew bussing attempt?

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I try. Okay, so here is where I hammer on everyone and be a dick because nothing seems to make sense to me. Apologizing in advance.

Nacho, I thought you wanted a no lynch at the start of the day? What changed your mind?

Nacho, last game where I was scum and you were town, you were extremely reluctant to believe almost any PR claim. I know mine was bad (lol) but even Peanut's (which was fairly believable I thought, maybe it was from my perspective) you were reluctant to believe. How come you seemed to accept my cop claim so quickly? In addition, kunk's doc claim seemed to please you as well.

Nicodemus, who is kunk's partner if he isnt really the doctor? Why is nacho such a strong town read for you?

Kunk, you were pretty close to a lynch day 1. Explain why you did not claim doctor then, please.

Stephoscope, who is scum and why? Also, answer the flavor question so CMAR can scumhunt and stop using it as an excuse to not scumhunt. Also, it's pretty hypocritical what you are doing with CMAR. He gave more information and flavor than you in his role claim yet you say its too much like the town one, when you give no flavor at all for yours. Why hold off on the flavor? Do you need time to make it up? This makes no sense to me. Explain. Soon. Now, even.

CMAR, I would like for you to answer my questions before they give flavor, or at least when you start building a case on them give two separate posts: one as to your suspicions before their flavor claims and one for after. That way I can trace your thought process.

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Okay hold up for a moment. Don't say anything else about flavor. I will post my full flavor (paraphrased of course) after kunk posts his. Nothing else about flavor please.

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@Nacho: Were you not expecting any additional power roles to claim? I mean obviously with the miller you thought there would be a cop. So shouldn't you of expected a cop claim regardless and therefore pushed for the lynch?

@Cmar: So your FoSs are Steph/Kunk?

Also, scum sometimes get fake claims. I did...ask nacho. Don't rely too much on them. What, outside of the flavor, makes you think Nic is town?

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Oh nacho, I will repeat this question since you might not have caught it, but do you think there is any sort of possibility that Steph/CMAR are bussing? This goes for the rest of the town (besides CMAR and Steph obv)

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Unvote please, isnt that two votes?

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Only one, nevermind.

So Steph, Nic, and CMAR all have one vote.

NO MORE VOTES.

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No I don't care if one vote is on them. Not two though. Not now anyway.

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Oh, and I have to say kudos to everyone here, really we've been a great group with replacements and all. Only like, 2, right?

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Why wait to give us the flavor?

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Who is CMAR's partner?
Why hold out on flavor?

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Exactly why I wanted to holf off.

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Steph's flavor sounds fake.

CMAR's flavor sounds kind of selfmotivated, making me think possible scum. As in, the band is only concerned about themselves. However I don't look too much into it so whatever.

Nic's flavor I need more of I think.

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I am not, I said I don't put that much analysis into flavors. I wasnt calling CMAR scum, I was calling the flavor scummy. I then said I didn't look too much into it so whatever.

The only thing I find scummy is Steph's refusal to share his flavor for a period of time: something unrelated to the actual flavor of the role PM. I want more of it just because. Its better to lay it all out on the table now.

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Damn it kunk. I wasnt going to say that until Nic put his full flavor out on to the table, but you ruined the surprise.

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....Elaborate.

Who else is scum?

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It would be a good idea to get some. You do realize we have to lynch correctly today?

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I am trying not to let my frustration effect the way I judge your behavior, but it is becoming very hard for me to do so. I usually relate uncooperativeness to scum. After all, they are the only ones who don't want to push town away from victory, yes?

You have yet to elaborate on why witholding your flavor was unintentional. You had the time to type out "if you need more, ask" but not time ti type out 2 sentences of paraphrased flavor? And surely it did not slip your mind, because by saying "if you need more, ask" you acknowledged that there was indeed more flavor. So if there was no extra effort involved, and you had extra flavor, and you withheld it even though you acknowledged it and had time to type out something else, how was this act of secrecy unintentional? Why have you not yet elaborated on this, blatantly ignoring that part of the question?



A) Answer and Explain the questions above
B) Give a case on CMAR Other than "He led a lynch on a townie, he tunneled" (hypocrisy at its finest)
C) Give possible scum suspects other than CMAR, i.e a back up suspect or a possible partner

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Everyone should weigh in on the Steph/slaxx conversation.

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With two people out of the loop, we will probably need a decent deadline extension =/.

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Lol finally.

Would CMAR like to rebuttle to these accusations?

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I want to see where Steph gets his second read from before we go much further. If he isn't scum, he has been telegraphing his towniness extremely poorly.

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Nacho, if you had to choose between steph and CMAR who would you choose? Same question to Nic's replacement.

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I would like one. One Third of our players are MIA.

I suppose if you want me to, I could unofficially prod Nachomamma8... - ToD

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Damn, this game is shot if we don't get an extension. Oh well.

vote CMAR

Steph's reasoning is good enough for me. With no deadline extension I don't see what is going to change in two days.

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ive been saying from the beginning id like a NL.

Id rather NL thatn lynch CMAR, but if no one wants that i can stick my vote back on.

unvote

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CMAR, last time we spoke, Nic was probably town. I feel like the replacement might be an excuse to bus.

In other news, I investigate who I want to, and I will not reveal who I am investigating for obvious reasons. Give me a few days to do a very thorough review of the thread.

ToD, I really appreciate the deadline extension.

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Yawn. Who is nic's partner?

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I had to teach little kids to fish today so im kind of out of it. Point it out?

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No, although I am not the nicest mafia player by any means, I wouldn't insult you like that. I seriously had to volunteer to help kids fish for a grade in a summer fishing class I'm taking. As many know, kids are a handful.

I do see your point, but I do not know if it is lynch-worthy. Especially on mylo. Of course, this is why you are no lynching, yes?

Like I said, after a good rest I will look in to the thread and hopefully have a nice big slaxx-post (see:invasion of Liten in simple role games) up by mid thursday.

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@Robocopter: In the town PM, there is flavor related to the band crisis at hand. Mine says something like, I draw on some boy scout power or something to help me investigate people as cop. I think this is the flavor CMAR is looking for. Although this might only be for PRs. I do feel like with steph and Nico I am not getting the full story, but I am trying to ignore it regardless. Reactions to the flavor as kunk said, are more important.

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There's a bad argument somewhere in here, meaning I think one of Robo or CMAR is scum, but I don't think its both. Here is what I figure:

Kunk---Nacho work well together as scum, but aren't individually terribly scummy


Actually, Kunk, do me a super uber favor if you will. Please link me to games where you have been a PR in the past.

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Actually, I am getting more and more for sure kunk is not doc. With the miller lynch, even with a roleblocker, the optimal strategy would have been to hook who scum thought was cop and kill kunk. Unless they have a rolecop and found out Parama was SK, I don't see any other scenario happening.

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Yeah but if they have a roleblocker they will hook him and kill me, then he is looking pretty bad in 5 way lylo.

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I like to take risks. In this case, either option is a risk. However, if we no lynch, and I come out alive, we have a cop and a clear or a guilty. Which is beautiful. And if kunk dies, I will feel much better about nacho.

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0_o has anyone claimed blue devils yet?

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I=Bluecoats
Nic=Cavaliers
CMAR=Colts
Kunk=Santa Clara Vanguard
Nacho=Blue Stars
Steph=Pacific Crest

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L effing O effing L I am pretty sure CMAR just slipped and outed both him and his mafia partner.

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vote CMAR

If this isnt right I will rage at CMAR for all eternity.

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Anyway, kunk, for future reference, breadcrumb more -_-. I still feel wierd about your claim but my gut is usually wrong So I am going with what logic says.

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Erm, i dun wanna give nic rep hammer.

Unvote

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Oh you tried to trick him. I see. Hm. That is something I would do xD

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Oh, a claimed townie you say? So not an actual townie?

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I don't think its WIFOM, I just dont see the point in referring to yourself as a claimed townie. I don't call myself a claimed cop, I am just a cop.

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Who are your top FoSs?

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Don't worry. I just like to reaction test. Sometimes mafia give really bad answers to stupid questions like the one I just asked. On a side note, You're going to need another FoS or I will be pretty confident in a step/robo scumpair.

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Yeah I'm not ready to decide this shit.

vote no lynch

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My guess is since scum had to fend off town and a SK one is probably investigation immune or kill immune, and the other is probably a roleblocker or rolecop. I mean, with two mafia they both have to be powerful with a cop, a tracker, and a SK to fight off.

Anyway, point being, we have to take chances. Follow me in my ballsless no lynch.

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Id rather now. Worst case scenario is you lose me. Best case is we get an investigation. Its worth the risk.

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Bah. Good Game. We almost had scum day 1 too.

Steph, what the crap?

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OLOL I think I did that once in your game Nikanor =P

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Lol what made you guys think I was an SK?

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@Nicodemus, I love how you said I would give you a break because I was a real life friend of yours even though I hammered on you D1 in Invasion of Liten =P

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I always am scummy as cop ;_;

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I am pretty sure Parama was going to claim vig...? He was making viglike kills. I don't think he would shoot the doctor, although if he had it would have made him look pretty viggy considering you weren't a doctor. xD

I had a town read on CMAR. I must have been the only one. Steph I was leaning town. Everyone else was neutral. I didn't have any scum reads. I was really bad this game =P.

The only thing I am proud of is I did actually hit 2/3 of my investigations. Robo and Parama. But I never got to use any of them.