Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[dramonic]

I'm fine with an Iece lynch, but I still prefer we hang Anti.

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Vote Count:

Antifinity: 6

(Iecerint, FC Groningen, dramonic, Chronopie, JPSalazar, PranaDevil)

Iecerint: 4

(KDub, WorseExcuse, Glork, inHimshallibe)

PranaDevil: 2

(MehPlusRawr, Devotress)

Chronopie: 2

(bv310, Antifinity)

wolframnhart: 1

(bill1148)

WorseExcuse: 0

(wolframnhart)

Not Voting:

DragonsofSummer

Lynch:

9 votes.

Deadline:

May 16th - 3:00 PM EST

[Iecerint]

I'd rather lynch Anti or WE than me. Or Glorky, for all the flip-flopping and the devolution of his preferred lynch reasoning to what it's become.

[wolframnhart]

I would much rather go after WE, i just don't get a town feel from their posts, though i understand the reasoning behind people wanting to lynch Iec, and kinda get the Anti votes.

[MehPlusRawr]

I've got a town read from Iece... I still dislike Prana. I really need to reread.

[Chronopie]

Sorry guys, been a hectic week, haven't been devoting my usual attention to my games.

WE's lurking was bad (anti-town) before, but now it's just scummy.

Not so sure on Iece, I don't have a definite read either way. I'd rather not muddy the water with a DM lynch.

[dramonic]

didnt we establish proof of his DM flip not being important if the goop stops?

[bv310]

Makes sense to me.

[bv310]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

[Glork]

This flavor+set-up-based lynch idea Glork has come up with over the last few pages is very silly IMO.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I've already stated that if you are in fact NOT the inker, then I am willing to share a significant portion of responsibility for a mislynch if that does in fact wind up being the case.

[Chronopie]

Well yeah...

Alright, I'm sold.

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

[Iecerint]

I wouldn't put it past the blinder to stop firing just to muddle the situation. Taking away a single player's vote isn't very useful until endgame, anyway.

[PranaDevil]

I wouldn't put it past the blinder to stop firing just to muddle the situation. Taking away a single player's vote isn't very useful until endgame, anyway.

WIFOM right here.

"I'm going to show up scum, but the real scum will stop shooting, and so you wont know anyway" Nice little way of getting people not to vote for you really.

I'm still not sure if Iec is scum or not... but by christ that post stands out like a sore thumb (or in my case, a sore tooth... damned toothaches).

[Glork]

I wouldn't put it past the blinder to stop firing just to muddle the situation. Taking away a single player's vote isn't very useful until endgame, anyway.

I know this thought had crossed my mind sometime last night, but I know that I'd thought of why I didn't think it was that big a deal. But I cannot for the life of me remember why now. I'm currently re-reading to see if I can jog my own memory.

[bv310]

Alright, so that's L-1. This day has gone on wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too long.

[Iecerint]

PD, you have it backward. Glork appeared to be ignoring/missing half of the equation. I'm pointing out that his interpretation of an absent inker after my death is plausibly manipulable by scum. Glork's rhetoric is the rhetoric that is weak on WIFOM-grounds.

Put another way:
a) If I were scumInker, the ink would stop with my death.
b) If I were townDM, scum would (depending upon the player with implicit connections to me, I guess, but on average) probably still stop inking, because "confirming" me as scum would be more useful than taking away one player's vote early on. They can always start the inking up again late game when it's more useful.

So you should expect the ink to probably stop after my death regardless of my alignment, so it's not a reliable way to judge my alignment.

I'm trying to decide whether Glork thought the Anti wagon would go on its own and he was trying to get off of it, or if he was distancing from Anti and let things get out of hand. There's a 3rd way that makes him town, but I dunno.

[Iecerint]

^ Nah, it's L-3. I'm tied with Anti now.

[wolframnhart]

Bv it's not like you have really done much of anything, so for you to say this day has gone on way too long is laughable.

[Iecerint]

(EBWOP: Err, I got one of Anti's, I guess, so I'm beating him by 1. w/e.)

I agree with Wolfie about bv.

[Glork]

BV is in fact an excellent scum candidate. He should probably be vigged tonight.

[Devotress]

I wouldn't put it past the blinder to stop firing just to muddle the situation. Taking away a single player's vote isn't very useful until endgame, anyway.

I covered this point. If you're really the deathmiller your role flip will read "ultros (Mafia Goon)."
If you are the blinder your role flip will reveal that you have some sort of role. "Ultros (Mafia Vote blocker)" or something along those lines


I'm just waiting on enough people stating they agree with this logic before I hop on the icerint wagon. I honestly feel if everyone can agree to this than we have no risk of false info off your flip.

[Iecerint]

Oh, OK. That's a decent point.

I'd still rather lynch real scum, though.

[Kdub]

Devotress:
I agree that if he flips as Mafia Goon, then he is not the ink source. I don't know that I would say he's not likely to be scum though.

Iec, I don't remember if you had answered this before, but are you told anything specific about what your role will be revealed as when you die?

[Devotress]

Devotress:
I agree that if he flips as Mafia Goon, then he is not the ink source. I don't know that I would say he's not likely to be scum though.

The main point of suspicion against icerint is that he's the blinder, that's the real reason we're all looking at him. If he reveals as not the blinder I for one am taking it that icerint really was a deathmiller, and am going to read his flip as if he was another townie when analyzing the game.

[Iecerint]

There's a certain word that's used, but I think it just means that people will think I'm a scum member. So, it doesn't specify that I'll flip "Goon," but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like that given my PM.

I'll ask Kise about it.

[bill1148]

I wouldn't put it past the blinder to stop firing just to muddle the situation. Taking away a single player's vote isn't very useful until endgame, anyway.

I covered this point. If you're really the deathmiller your role flip will read "ultros (Mafia Goon)."
If you are the blinder your role flip will reveal that you have some sort of role. "Ultros (Mafia Vote blocker)" or something along those lines


I'm just waiting on enough people stating they agree with this logic before I hop on the icerint wagon. I honestly feel if everyone can agree to this than we have no risk of false info off your flip.

If he is actually blinding others, he should come up "Vote Blocker." If he's actually a Death Miller, he should come up "Goon." Thus I agree.

Devo actually brings up a decent point. Initially, I was skeptical voting for Iece right away (though he has been a suspect since D1) because I was afraid that our next lynches would be steered in the wrong direction due to the fact that we'd never actually know whether Iece was Mafia or not. However, if he is mafia, there surely cannot exist a better candidate for the "Blind" ability than Ultros. And, if he's mafia, he should show up as having the "Blind" ability, whereas if DM, he should simply come up "Goon."

As such,

vote Iece.