Newbie 922: Day 3

[Ellibereth]

Read???? Nah.
I'll look at a random post here and there from the tunnel of the past and follow from here on out. Should be enough.
I will also be skipping any massive quote walls like 402.

Anyway, Who's Scum?

[Ellibereth]

402 is on the small side

skipping

Anyway, Who's Scum?

[Ellibereth]

402 is on the small side

skipping

Anyway, Who's Scum?

Still Nacho and havingfitz.

If I had the energy, I would make this post very long to annoy you. I don't. Sorry.

I like you.

Vote: Nacho

[Ellibereth]

Er... Ellibereth, you were kidding about not reading, yes?

Depends on my mood.

So... folks...we're just going to sit around waiting for Nacho????
And I'm going to assume by the general silence on the matter that you all agree with Acos concerning the scumz.
If not, could you tell this sorry fellow who the scum are?
If so we can talk about something else...like food and what we're having for dinner. Probably just some pasta here...

[Ellibereth]

I'd like to see nacho's reply before passing judgement there.

Currently, I'm disliking Elli's entrance into the game. So far, there's no content and not really any active scumhunting. This contradicts all previous experience with elli as well as just doesn't fit right with the pro-town activity of scumhunting.

You've played what, one game with me?
I've made it a habit to not immediately read back and just flow with the current game state when replacing in, but the activity is slow as hell right now.
If I'm forced I'll read the first 3 pages tomorrow.

[Ellibereth]

Read pg.1
Acos = town.
Pan = town

Nacho m'dear, try again next time.

...and we'll come back to our scheduled programming tomorrow!

[Ellibereth]

You've played what, one game with me?
I've made it a habit to not immediately read back and just flow with the current game state when replacing in, but the activity is slow as hell right now.
If I'm forced I'll read the first 3 pages tomorrow.

Three games if you include one where I replaced out before you replaced in (considering I read your posts, I consider that valid).

Oh, the newbie game where I game in at Lylo? I think that was my first complete game on site or something.
I only remember Pyp, are you counting the one where we all got uber-pumped roles in a mininormal?

[Ellibereth]

I'm doing my new thing: PREMATURE VOTECOUNT ANALYSIS. Unfortunately I got no time for a PoE chart since I didn't read enough of the game yet. Yellow = town read, not confirmed, and the last lawls lynch votecount was made by me.

Votecount

Panacea

- 3 (

BridgesAndBaloons

,

Lawls

, Edprata)

Lawls

- 1 (Elementary Fermion)
havingfitz - 1 (

Acosmist

)
Independent John - 1 (

Panacea

)
Elementary Fermion - 1 (Independent John)

Cojin

- 1 (havingfitz)

Not Voting - 1 (

Cojin

)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
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Votecount

Cojin

- 4 (RayFrost, havingfitz,

Lawls

, Nachomamma8)

Lawls

- 2 (

Cojin

,

Acosmist

Panacea

- 1 (ElementaryFermion)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (

BridgesAndBaloons

)

Not Voting - 1 (

Panacea

)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch
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Votecount

Cojin

- 3 (RayFrost, havingfitz,

Lawls

)

Lawls

- 5 (

Cojin

,

Acosmist,

ElementaryFermion, Nachomamma8,

Panacea

)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (

BridgesAndBaloons

)

Not Voting - 1 ()

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

higherthanavg chance of scum in Edprata
(1-2) scum in Ray, fitz, Nacho
(1-2) in Fermion, Nacho

[Ellibereth]

I always see Fermion on without posting. By always I mean over the past 2 days.

[Ellibereth]

Definitely think one or both scum are on the last ditch move to the Lawl wagon.

Giant QFT, see my colorful VC's on the previous page. There were also def scum on Cojin wagon.

as for Bridges, he also flaked in his other newbie game wherever else. Basically it was a site-wide flake.

[Ellibereth]

There's always scum on the wagon, especially one so close to going over the precipice.
Did you see the VC's I put on the last page? I don't know who yet because I've only read something like 2 pages of this right now, but there's at least one scum in You, Ray, and Nacho, and at least one btw. Fermion and Nacho.

[Ellibereth]

And I can't help but get into a staring contest with your avatar everytime you post.

[Ellibereth]

Oh, and fitz = town now.


(1, 2) scum in Ray, Nacho
(1, 2) scum in Nacho, Fermion

[Ellibereth]

You get that my notation means "There is 1 or 2 scum in Ray and Nacho".
Nacho was also on the Cojin wagon, no? And Ray's not def scum yet.
Nacho = scum yet because Ray, Fermion is still possible.
I have it all colorfied on the last post last page.

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Total posts per player slot as of 432.
Nacho:33
Fermion:37
Ray: 48
Elli: 50 
Acos: 56
Fitz: 61
Pan: 67 

[Ellibereth]

EBWOP: Nacho does not = scum yet

[Ellibereth]

I mean when the Cojin wagon was at it's peak! Second votecount on the last post of the last page.
I'm doing the Adel thing with all the objective information, expect more. (Pan's number should be a 69). Furthermore, with the hypothesis that scum are likely to post less than town, the review of the postotals and my vote analasys have a big huge venn diagram overlap.

[Ellibereth]

Below is based off number of times word appears in a person's ISO. This means that when they're quoting and all that, etc. etc.
Their might be error in a few but nothing big.

Unvote

for now.
Fermion Ray is looking more like a real possibility looking at the abnormally low interaction level.

[Ellibereth]

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Average times FERMION mentions a person: 30.125
FERMION max: Pan/Acos/Cojin: 45
FERMION min (-Elli due to Bridgeflake): Nacho, Ray: 18 
FERMION max/min: 2.5

Average times NACHO mentions a person: 21.875
NACHO max: Acos: 34
NACHO min(-Elli due to Bridgeflake): Fitz 9
NACHO: max/min 3.78

Average times RAY mentions a person: 14.75
RAY max: Lawls: 25
RAY min(-Elli due to Bridgeflake): Fermion: 6
RAY max/min: 4.17

Okay, then look at the above. Taking averages and min/max into account. The Fermion-Ray relation is abnormally low.
I have a town read on you, but I have to check on the relation between you and Nacho just in case too.

[Ellibereth]

Also, you NEED the information (Votecounts, Post Counts, Interaction Counts), to do the analysis (getting who's scum from them).

Fermion: On a non concrete level because I'm not in the mood to look for and do the numbers right now (someone may have in MD already, and if you want to do it, go take the 10 last completed Newbie games or so, record everyone's post counts and see that scum are almost always in the bottom part of the spectrum, there are of course exceptions), Town have much greater incentive than Scum to post often.

I don't want to claim it's a fact until I dig up something concrete, so it's a hypothesis for now.

[Ellibereth]

Correlation between these numbers and alignment, go.

Scum are very likely 2 out of {Nacho, Fermion, Ray}.
The interaction raises the chance of {Fermion, Ray} due to the lowness of it, especially since I recall Ray had specifically done the low-contact thing in a game which he played with Yos2 as scum (too lazy to look for it now).
I'll be moving away from concrete information to look into their direct player interactions shortly.

[Ellibereth]

Yeah, people play differently. But objective facts are objective facts. The numbers I posted are all objective facts. We can also say things in a more general manner i.e. Most people do A and Most people do B. There are people that are exceptions to each general thing, but these people are usually quite consistent in which particular normalcy of following their abnormality. There are people that activly engage to make diffeerent ine very game, but I assure you they are few and there are none in this game.
Meta is not worthless, it was probably the manner in which it was used that went wrong. Also, how are you willing to call something worthless after foreseeing one failed attempt at use (regardless of how well it was done).
I'm in no mood to type out my methodology in detail but trust that it was sufficiently controlled so that the error wouldn't be too large. If you want to cross-check my work for error please do, I would appreciate it.

[Ellibereth]

@Elli: Out of curiosity, how are you calculating all of this? Ctrl+F & Windows Calculator?

Nacho, how does Cojin's flip reconcile with this judgment of yours Yesterday?:

I was wrong... Was there anything else you were expecting to hear there?

I'm on an Ubuntu, and for the most part I used the source code with some exceptions. Possible error include mod vote counts (which is why I like them posted seperately...along with ease of iso and wagon analasys), anyway, the percent error would be negilible the general picture of the numbers is what is important.

Votecount
Nachomamma8 - 1 (havingfitz)

Not Voting - 6 (Acosmist, RayFrost, Elementary Fermion, Nachomamma8, Panacea, Ellibereth)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[Ellibereth]

I'm in no mood to type out my methodology in detail but trust that it was sufficiently controlled so that the error wouldn't be too large. If you want to cross-check my work for error please do, I would appreciate it.

I am sure you do so trust. I, however, am in no mood to double check your numbers as a substitute for your explination of your methodology. That's not how the world works.

Then you don't have to trust it. That's your problem. It's looking like it's going to incriminate you anyway so I'm not surprised you're trying to look for faults.
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I also missed an important VC. Town read will be switchng from yellow to Olive for readability.

Votecount

Lawls

- 4 (Elementary Fermion,

Cojin

,

Acosmist

,

havingfitz

)

Acosmist

- 1 (

Lawls

)
Cojin - 1 (RayFrost)

Not Voting - 2 (

Panacea

, Nachomamma8)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

Vote: Fermion

[Ellibereth]

Mind Meld into: Elementary Fermion

We will all look back on your statement and laugh, by the way.

Processing...

Oh crap, Ellibereth nailed both me and my scumbuddy. I must do everything I can do to discredit him

[Ellibereth]

Correlation between these numbers and alignment, go.

Scum are very likely 2 out of {Nacho, Fermion, Ray}.
The interaction raises the chance of {Fermion, Ray} due to the lowness of it, especially since I recall Ray had specifically done the low-contact thing in a game which he played with Yos2 as scum (too lazy to look for it now).
I'll be moving away from concrete information to look into their direct player interactions shortly.

Well, Numbers, what's the strength of correlation between mentioning each other rarely and scummitude? 1? .5? Whip out Excel and tell me, since that seems to be your thing.

Pretty Damn High.
Anyway, Wagon Analysis has netted Fermion. Wagon gogogo.

[Ellibereth]

Correlation between these numbers and alignment, go.

Scum are very likely 2 out of {Nacho, Fermion, Ray}.
The interaction raises the chance of {Fermion, Ray} due to the lowness of it, especially since I recall Ray had specifically done the low-contact thing in a game which he played with Yos2 as scum (too lazy to look for it now).
I'll be moving away from concrete information to look into their direct player interactions shortly.

Well, Numbers, what's the strength of correlation between mentioning each other rarely and scummitude? 1? .5? Whip out Excel and tell me, since that seems to be your thing.

Pretty Damn High.
Anyway, Wagon Analysis has netted Fermion. Wagon gogogo.

"Pretty damn high" it not the same as, say, ".4192".

It's also not an objective fact. I thought that's what we were doing here, talkin' 'bout objective facts. Is it possible you weren't? If you are throwing numbers around without regard for their meaning, this is the worst possible set of players to have replaced into.

Hm? The numbers I posted are all facts. The Votecounts I posted are facts. That's the purest level of the information that can't be argued.

Then we enter the realm of things that

may

be argued but statistical analysis can be used to support them. The things here may also have exceptions, so most of them are "in general". For example:
There is almost always scum on a town wagon.
In general, town post more than scum.
In general, and especially amongst newer players, scum partners interact with each other less.

And now using those, we go back and evaluate the numbers and votecounts I gathered.

Not everything can be assigned a number, certain things can. Most of the things I data mined were simple counting. Of course once I move into their evaluation I have to leave concreteness.

I will not be discussing theory further in this topic, people leave that for MD.

[Ellibereth]

Reposting the Very Important Votecount

Votecount

Lawls

- 4 (Elementary Fermion,

Cojin

,

Acosmist

,

havingfitz

)

Acosmist

- 1 (

Lawls

)

Cojin

- 1 (RayFrost)

Not Voting - 2 (

Panacea

, Nachomamma8)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

[Ellibereth]

Fermon meta:
http://www.vanillatownies.com/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=60
http://www.vanillatownies.com/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=125
http://www.vanillatownies.com/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=103
http://www.vanillatownies.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=139
http://www.vanillatownies.com/viewtopic ... &start=480

going through now

[Ellibereth]

Massive reaction test = win.
Protip: It's easier to read people when you get them riled up.

Unvote

Fermion = town.

[Ellibereth]

Panacea town read temp retracted for a reason.
Redoing vote counts with Fermion/Acos as town.

[Ellibereth]

I have to call it a day soon so let me just get a quick thing.
I took a guess at the general "type" of person Fermion is based on his name/posting style, and I figured a sudden attack, especially in the manner I pulled with just giving numbers and not analyzing them (and explaining the numbers will also have to wait for tomorrow unfortunately...) would elicit a hard enough reaction to let me easily read.
He's town.
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Now, the following VC's are going to be super super important

Votecount
Panacea - 3 (

BridgesAndBaloons

,

Lawls

, Edprata)

Lawls

- 1 (

Elementary Fermion

)
havingfitz - 1 (

Acosmist

)
Independent John - 1 (Panacea)

Elementary Fermion

- 1 (Independent John)

Cojin

- 1 (havingfitz)

Not Voting - 1 (

Cojin

)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-----------------------------
Votecount

Cojin

- 4 (RayFrost, havingfitz,

Lawls

, Nachomamma8)

Lawls

- 2 (

Cojin

,

Acosmist

Panacea - 1 (

Elementary Fermion)

Nachomamma8 - 1 (

BridgesAndBaloons

)

Not Voting - 1 (Panacea)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch
-----------------------------
Votecount

Cojin

- 3 (RayFrost, havingfitz,

Lawls

)

Lawls

- 5 (

Cojin

,

Acosmist

,

Elementary Fermion

, Nachomamma8, Panacea)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (

BridgesAndBaloons

)

Not Voting - 1 ()

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch
-------------------------
Votecount

Lawls

- 4 (

Elementary Fermion

,

Cojin

,

Acosmist

, havingfitz)

Acosmist

- 1 (

Lawls

)

Cojin

- 1 (RayFrost)

Not Voting - 2 (Panacea, Nachomamma8)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch
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Based solely off these, Nacho would be the best and the most informative lynch. It's late now though, and I'll explain all the stuff (and it won't be too stir shit up so I can get a read...promise!) tomorrow.

[Ellibereth]

SORRY FITZY< I FORGOT THE OLIVE.

And do you agree with the following (or not):
A) particularly low level of interaction between one known scum player, and one unknown alignment player raises the chance of said scum-pair.
B) Many time, scum post less than town.

I'm not saying I can figure everything out ultra-speed, looking at facts, but noone bothers to gather them and if they do say something we would never know. For times where it's work, go to Adel's wiki page (it was editted though, so go through his edit history and go to the one with his complete games), in several of them, especially the middle, he's absolutely devastating using info like this to catch scum.
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I'm dropping the numbers subject for now, but just keep it in the back of the head or remember this later or something. I'll go check individual vote patterns, then I finally have to buckle down and read the words.

[Ellibereth]

EBWOP: Oh sorry, I didn't see that you said you agree with the generalizations.
I'll just say my point again, I know they don't always apply, but keeping them there with the data can't be bad.

Votecount
Elementary Fermion - 1 (Elementary Fremion)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (havingfitz)

Not Voting - 5 (Acosmist, RayFrost, Nachomamma8, Panacea, Ellibereth)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[Ellibereth]

D1 Vote Patterns as promised.

[Ellibereth]

EBWOP: Shoot, I screwed up Cojin's color in Nacho's column 306 and 321.

[Ellibereth]

At a glance Pana needs to explain why she wasn't voting for anyone for most of the day.

[Ellibereth]

Why is IIOA a scumtell when the information is hard and tedious to datamine?
Easiest way to get a reads on anyone is to push them sick hard. Standard technique. And anyone who has played with me before knows that I prioritize town reads over scumreads.
I have read 2 pages of D1 and everything since I've replaced in. I might read a few more of D1 if I get in the mood. For those who are worried, I'll survive just fine. I read 10 pages or so in a 100 page theme and 5/7 in two 20 page minis I replaced into. Worked out great.
Vote Counts ARE GOSPEL. I am usually willing to lynch someone based on votecounts without reading a single post they've made.

[Ellibereth]

Some of my replacement meta if anyone is interested:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#2055483
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 70#2086070
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 81#2150781 (Note most of those quotes are from the first few pages, also note the scumteam at the bottom)
MD post by me: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 41#2193041

And come on...I'm better than Xyl sometimes, I heard he read 0 pages on occasion.

Vote: Nacho

[Ellibereth]

Ellibereth: I thought the misuse of data was a tactic to elicit a reaction from EF. Why is that continuing?

PS you owe us a complete statistical work-up on that stuff you posted. Get crackin', boy.

The misuse was to get a reaction.
The accuracy of the data still stands and can be used as a supplement in the future. The vote patterns is to make it easier for me to look at the progression of the game through D1.

[Ellibereth]

Good, you can give up now then.
Pana, do me a favor and link me to your completed games? kthx.

[Ellibereth]

I read the last two of D1, not the first two. Thanks anyways.

[Ellibereth]

EBWOP: I also read the first page of the game yaddy yaddy yaddy so that makes 3, but yeah, you are conservative with your vote across the board. Town again.

[Ellibereth]

Ok. CLEAR LOGIC TIME.
A) There was scum on Lawls' lynch.
B) The wagon was composed of: Cojin, Acosmist, Elementary Fermion, Nachomamma8, Panacea.
C) Cojin is town. Acosmist and Fermi are both blatantly town.
D) The decision is between you and Pana. I get a better feel from Pana from the first page and after replacing in.

[Ellibereth]

A) Exception's are rare enough. If something is greater than 80% I'm happy. ESPECIALLY on a wagon that built up that fast, there is scum. DO NOT try to discredit that fact. You know that VA works.

B) Hi, I no the context, it's why I made the pretty color chart earlier this page.

C) Yes they are.

D) I pegged an entire scumteam with first-page reads in Tech Tree. I've also read Pana's recent posts.

[Ellibereth]

A) 1 exception out of several hundred. I'm ignoring it.
B) I could care less about context. Fact: Wagon built up in abnormally fast speed and led up to town lynch. That's all I care about.
C) I don't need you to trust my reads. I'M ACCUSING YOU. I mean, shit, I don't know why I'm even talking to you.
D) I disagree. That much is already clear anyway.

Anyway, not wasting my time arguing with scum. The above is worded so you hopefully don't have to reply to it. Acos already said you're scum. I recall fitz did too. I need one more person.

[Ellibereth]

nacho, if you don't reply to the above post in particular (feel free to do anything else) in the next 12 hours I'll even give you a PRESENT (because I still do love you so much even if you're scum etc. etc. etc.) and read some of the game!

[Ellibereth]

I totally delayed this and didn't do it yet.
New deal, I'm ISOing one person, first come first serve (with a name). No reply in an hour means Nacho.

Votecount
Nachomamma8 - 2 (havingfitz, Ellibereth)
Elementary Fermion - 1 (Elementary Fremion)

Not Voting - 4 (Acosmist, RayFrost, Nachomamma8, Panacea)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[Ellibereth]

Get better Ray.
/still stalling on his re/iso read. I'll really do them....tomorrow....>.<

[Ellibereth]

Furry's probably town.

[Ellibereth]

[quote="Pan"]Mathmania to, what, gut feeling in .2 seconds..? I don't like this at all. /quote]

Nonono, gut to Mathmania, back to gut in 4 seconds.
Tis be my meta. Anyone here whos' played with me (namely Nacho...the short little show Furry and I were together in), can confirm that. Or you can check it up yourself in my wiki.
Acostopofpagewall makes me want to rethink my town read on fitzy. Pana 526 looks town.

TOWN
Fermion
Acos
Elli

PROBTOWN
Pana
Furry <- most likely to change.
fitz <- need to recheck

PEOPLE LEFT
Nacho


HEY NACH, CAN YOU LINK ME TO ANY TOWN-READABLE POST YOU MADE THE WHOLE GAME. I SKIMMED YOUR ISO AND CAN'T FIND ANY.

[Ellibereth]

Pan. I posted links earlier and you can check my wiki.
I never read the entire game when replacing. I at most skim a few pages back or so. The only time I came close was when i was with a day-talking mason and I only looked at the last quarter or so and she gave me the rest.

[quote="Pan"]
The Havingfitz/Acosmist debate is going to be invaluable to the game, I can tell. (Well... Okay, to me, anyway.) Carry on, you two. [/quote
^^^ This came from town.

[Ellibereth]

:
:arrow: Ellibereth: Happy birthday.


. _i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_
/_________________\
\_________________/

Um, it...

kinda

looks like a cake... And I dunno how old you are, so for proportion's sake, happy 11th.

Thanks!

How does Pan’s interest in seeing another wallpost exchange between Acosmist and I indicate she is town to you? The exchange is doing no good to town that I can see and is only distracting other town from scumhunting and allowing scum to hide behind it. Admittedly, I’m just as guilty as Acosmist at perpetuating the exchange but I can’t help it. I try to refrain from initiating wallposts but I find it difficult refraining from replying to them.

I'm not anwsering this cause I'm not a big fan of showing scum my townread playbook.

HEY NACH, CAN YOU LINK ME TO ANY TOWN-READABLE POST YOU MADE THE WHOLE GAME. I SKIMMED YOUR ISO AND CAN'T FIND ANY.

ISO 0. The greatness ends there.

Fail. What a suprise you're on the lower end of my PoE spectrum then.

Temporarily revoking town read on Furry to pend further review when he finishes his catch up like a "good" replacement (hahaha)
Acos, could you do me a favor and just bullet point a quick list of why fitz is scum without all the quotes and stuff?

[Ellibereth]

Acos, could you do me a favor and just bullet point a quick list of why fitz is scum without all the quotes and stuff?

He is on the record wanting to lynch Cojin even if Cojin really was the doctor.
He willfully misinterpreted what Cojin was saying in his attacks.
He is doing the same thing with Elementary Fermion now.
His continuing an argument he thinks only helps scum makes him anti-town by his own standard.
He has spent most of the game trying to stifle discussion.
His next post will take issue with these summaries even though the points are argued fully in my other posts.
Where are those stats you owe me?

*deletes spaces*
Thank you very much! The dog ate the stats up.
Yep yep, Pana is town.
SO THAT MEANS, scum are in NACHO, FITZ, FURRY. YAYZ

NACHO: Earlier you mentioned something about fitz/ray team and a good reason for it and you wanted me to find it. I gave up before I started. Tell me please.

[Ellibereth]

NACHO: Earlier you mentioned something about fitz/ray team and a good reason for it and you wanted me to find it. I gave up before I started. Tell me please.

[Ellibereth]

Seeing text/quote walls always make me want to procrastinate.
I already said earlier I narrowed it down to within Nacho, Furry, and fitz, right?
NACHO, I WANT AN EXPLANATION FOR FITZ/FURRY TEAM TODAY, BEFORE ANY LYNCHING.
I really don't believe the above is the scumteam based on the lynchwagon.
So that leaves Nacho fitz and Nacho furry...
Yeah. Nacho is still my favorite lynch. You guys do notice that he has admitted himself he has had a distinct lack of town except for one post, that's not even that townish?
Interest in still lynching someone after Doctor claim is not scummy. There was period where scum would almost always fakeclaim doctor to the point where some people just lynched all doctor claims.

Anyway, this whole thing is rather simple for me. Nacho explain to me where he's getting fitz/furry from, or else Nacho's the best lynch. I'd prefer to tell me before you guys end the day.

To that end, I'm not saying I think fitz is town. On a spectrum from towniest to scummiest It probably be Acos = Fermi, Pana, Furry = Fitz, Nacho. And if he's lynched and flipped town the team's def Nach/Furry.

[Ellibereth]

Lylo.
Scumteam is Nacho and Furry.
Massclaim first, we should popcorn. I would prefer Furry to go first.
Yeah, no time now. More later.

[Ellibereth]

Ok sure. I don't mind that order. Popcorn in the middle.
I think Fermi and Acos are both quite obvobv town though, so yeah.

[Ellibereth]

Popcorn claiming means that each person chooses the next person they want to claim, like how Furry said "EF next" in his post.
Furry agreed to go first on the conditional of Nacho going last though so you have to choose between me and Acos.

[Ellibereth]

Vanilla.
Nacho caboose.

[Ellibereth]

Furry should explain why he wanted you to go last first.

[Ellibereth]

Nacho's here, and vanilla.

Now, Elli can get to explaining why I'm scum.

I already thought a combo of PoE and VC's like ten million times. I'll be redoing the latter again when I have time.
Furry: Fermion blow-up made him look pretty town to me.

[Ellibereth]

I'm putting this here for reference later.

Votecount

Panacea

- 3 (

BridgesandBaloons

,

Lawls

, Edprata)

Lawls

- 1 (Elementary Fermion)

havingfitz

- 1 (Acosmist)
Independent John - 1 (

Panacea

)
Elementary Fermion - 1 (Independent John)

Cojin

- 1 (

havingfitz

)

Not Voting - 1 (

Cojin

)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
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Cojin

- 4 (RayFrost,

havingfitz

,

Lawls

, Nachomamma8)

Lawls

- 2 (

Cojin

, Acosmist

Panacea

- 1 (Elementary Fermion)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (

BridgesandBaloons

)

Not Voting - 1 (

Panacea

)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch
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Cojin

- 3 (RayFrost,

havingfitz

,

Lawls

)

Lawls

- 5 (

Cojin

, Acosmist, Elementary Fermion, Nachomamma8,

Panacea

)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (

BridgesandBaloons

)

Not Voting - 0 ()

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch
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Votecount

Lawls

- 4 (Elementary Fermion,

Cojin

, Acosmist,

havingfitz

)
Acosmist - 1 (

Lawls

)

Cojin

- 1 (RayFrost)

Not Voting - 2 (

Panacea

, Nachomamma8)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

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havingfitz

- 4 (Acosmist, Nachomamma8, Elementary Fermion,

Panacea

)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (

havingfitz

,

Ellibereth

)

Not Voting - 1 (Furry)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[Ellibereth]

Hell week of test ends next week. Will be back then.

[Ellibereth]

I'm here.
Still busy and procrastinating.
There's only one think right now that's making me doubt my Furry - Nacho pairing but I can't say what it is.
Starting to go through Nach and Ray/Furry isos..

TURN BACK THE CLOCK

I didn't like Balloon's original vote on Panacea; I'm not a firm believer in reaction hunting that early in the game.

Where did you get "reaction hunting" from BaB's vote at all? I also don't remember you having the latter philosophy.

[Ellibereth]

In a newbie game, I tend to have a waaay different philosophy than I would in a normal game. For example, reaction hunting by voting without an explanation tagged on with it is generally a bad idea when you're the only person who knows wtf is happening.

That's stupid. It would work even better since they have no idea what you're doing. Also, you're ignoring the point, where in Bab's vote did you see pressure/reaction vote?

[Ellibereth]

Remember I've barely read anything.

Some questions to get us started:

1) Have you played with anyone on this list before?
2) What is your prior mafia game experience?
3) What is your favorite fruit?
4) Self-identify an aspect of your personality or mafia-playstyle.


1)nope.
2) I've played somewhere around ~10 games, all on this website.
3) Strawberries.
4) I tend to fan out and spread suspicion on multiple players, than ultimately pick one that seems scummiest and focus on them. My problem is that sometimes I'm unable to stop focusing on that one person, even if they start to appear to be pro-town. I'm working on it. I don't always follow this pattern.

vote: Panacea

^^^You call that a pressure vote?

[Ellibereth]

Whatever. I disagree.
Where did you get the Ray-fitz pairing yesterday

[Ellibereth]

Are you gonna start playing to your town meta now...? Or should I just start looking for your partner?

I don't think I'm playing to either meta right now.
And ARE YOU GOING TO START PLAYING TO YOUR TOWN META OR SHOULD I BE LOOKING FOR YOUR PARTNER.

OH SCHNAP.

[Ellibereth]

Hey, Furry. Only one thing right now is making me doubt my read of You/Nacho. I'm curious, can you guess what it is? (No is not answer )

[Ellibereth]

Pretend you're me.
What would the ideal play be for a Furry/Nacho scumteam.

[Ellibereth]

Elli came in guns blazing and then disappeared.

FINALS.

I totally thought DL was today for some reason.
Acos was totally brilliant and had me foooled.

[Ellibereth]

You were connecting yourself to him, but the way you handled your play in terms of suspicions/attacks did not look close to the ideal plan for a Nacho/Furry team.
Something also felt off from the connection because it looked TOO obv from the start.