Riddle Me This! NY111 - mafia dead - Town wins!

[Furcolow]

dahill you're not necessarily a bastion of intelligence or pro-town play

[DizzyIzzyB13]

[mipe]

I'm happy with my vote with furcolow.

Also, *finally*, the day will end soon.

[inHimshallibe]

I was behind a couple of days, and then we had the flooding. (I'm not at the University anymore, but did receive flooding nonetheless). That put me behind further.

If I can't make good effort in a catch-up post today, I will humbly ask for replacement. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but 1000 year floods only come so often. :/

[PaltryExcuse]

Responding to prod: Family stuff could be going better at this point. I'll try to catch ASAP.

[scotmany12]

So yeah, Richard's case on Furcolow is underwhelming and seems contrived once again. It reminds me of his case on dahill; he pulls out everyone on Furcolow's posts and has to find something scumming about each of them. And while I don't particularly agree with Furcolow's points on the voting pattern, RichardGHP defense that he should not be held accountable for others' voting paterns suck. Yes you aren't accountable, but they can still be viable arguments.

Obviously, out of everyone I want to lynch RichardGHP today. I'm confident that he is scum.

@Shanba: I fully understand the case against Anon. I like it too. But I think Richard is more scummy. And something that I havent mentioned until now is how RichardGHP seemingly wants everyone to do his work for him (i.e. his reasoning for furcolow, and then very early on in the day where he said we should spend the day analyzing reports as well as korts and soras main suspects). I see no protown motivation from his actions, I see no concern from him in finding scum.

[Anon]

Im truly sorry.

Request replacement.

[zoraster]

well, i don't know is anon is quitting because he's suspected or not -- he provides no explanation, but I suggest we lynch Richard, who is scummy, today and let the mod find a replacement for Anon.

[Anon]

Im terribly terribly busy, I just cant handle another game and Im starting to get suspected on all of them. I quit of this one because of the players and mod activity levels.

[Shanba]

well, i don't know is anon is quitting because he's suspected or not -- he provides no explanation, but I suggest we lynch Richard, who is scummy, today and let the mod find a replacement for Anon.

Or we could save the mod a trip to the replacement queue.

Eh. It's not ideal, but there's always the possibility of learning something from a replacement joining the game: how do they approach that roleslot? It gives a chance to reaffirm reads without the influence of possible personality bias.

But Anon/replacement are still the scummiest players in the game.

[inHimshallibe]

Im truly sorry.

Request replacement.

vote: Anon

This game needs a shot in the arm.

[Yosarian2]

So yeah, Richard's case on Furcolow is underwhelming and seems contrived once again. It reminds me of his case on dahill; he pulls out everyone on Furcolow's posts and has to find something scumming about each of them. And while I don't particularly agree with Furcolow's points on the voting pattern, RichardGHP defense that he should not be held accountable for others' voting paterns suck. Yes you aren't accountable, but they can still be viable arguments.

Obviously, out of everyone I want to lynch RichardGHP today. I'm confident that he is scum.

Agreed. Let's hang 'em.

[RichardGHP]

scotmany, exactly how confident are you that I'm scum? What about you, Yos?

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

PaltryExcuse- Anon (L-8)
Furcolow- mipe, RichardGHP (L-6)
Yosarian2- Quagmire (L-8)
Quagmire- inHimshallibe (L-8)
Anon- iamausername, Shanba, VasudeVa, The Fonz, DizzyIzzyB13, Mr. Chaos (L-3)
inHimshallibe- dahill1, PaltryExcuse, Furcolow (L-6)
RichardGHP- scottmany12, zoraster, Yosarian2 (L-6)

Not Voting:

*none

With 17 alive, its 9 to lynch.

~King David.~

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Let's just lynch Anon so we can try and get this game to reach it's conclusion as painlessly as possible.

[Mr. Chaos]

Let's just lynch Anon so we can try and get this game to reach it's conclusion as painlessly as possible.

There's no need to worry, Iz. He'll get lynched in 3 days unless something big changes.

I really dislike his sudden replacement now that his lynch is closing fast. I say we just do it, see where it takes us.

[RichardGHP]

After actually looking at Anon in ISO I see the case on him now.

Unvote: Furcolow
Vote: Anon

Also, to all those who say my case on Furc was an attempt to go through every post and find something scum-like about it, THAT'S THE POINT OF AN ISO READ.

[zoraster]

fine. whatever. I think we need a new day to spice things up a bit. Anon is as good a target as any who aren't Richard. And I don't have a ton of faith in the mod's ability to find a replacement for Anon in short order.

unvote. vote: anon

[zoraster]

that's L-1 by the by

[Shanba]

After actually looking at Anon in ISO I see the case on him now.

Unvote: Furcolow
Vote: Anon

Also, to all those who say my case on Furc was an attempt to go through every post and find something scum-like about it, THAT'S THE POINT OF AN ISO READ.

I don't like putting words in other people's mouths, but I guess what they're saying is that your cases are contrived - your iso reads are bad, because you're making every post out to be scummy when they're not actually.

I'm really uncomfortable with Ricky's hop here, but I'm comfortable enough otherwise with this wagon that I'd quite like to see it hammered soon. Anon is scummy enough to deserve a lynch, and nothing gives a game a shot in the arm like a new day. All of us who are voting anon will have to re-evaluate if he turns up town, and everyone will have new stuff to look at if he turns up scum.

I can't really see any other way to kickstart activity in this game than a lynch. I think if the anon wagon broke down now, it would be a long, painful and soul destroying wait to get a new one and the new one porbably wouldn't reach lynch anyway and we'd hit a deadline. That kind of thing would kill town's motivation deader than it already seems to be. So I urge someone to hammer, despite the fact that we're extremely unlikely to get any kind of claim.

[Shanba]

Oh, I realise I didn't mention why ricky's hop makes me uncomfortable - it smacks of the thing I found scummy about him yesterday, that is, suddenly jumping on the largest wagon with the excuse "yeah he is scummy after all". It bugs me because it looks so fundamentally dishonest the way his top suspect always seems to be everyone elses top suspect. Contrived cases on people don't really help the feeling either. At every turn it looks like he is trying to get on the easy lynch.

Anon is still scummier by virtue of strong connections to dead scum, but Ricky is not off my radar list at all.

[RichardGHP]

But the posts that I ISO'd (at the very least in Furc's case) were, in fact scum-like. People just don't want to see it.

[The Fonz]

Long post incoming

Unvote

Can you refrain from referencing an ongoing game?
Especially one we're both alive in. I think that's against the rules...

Again, I wasn't referencing an ongoing game.

Not scummy though. Stupid, since he's referenced said ongoing game twice, but not scummy.

Wouldn't it have been logical for ksun482 to be voting for Richard at the end? I know that it wouldn't change much, in that it would only put it at 7 in relation to 9, but 7 is a lot better than 4. I feel like ksun482 would have voted for Richard if Richard wasn't his mafia buddy.

I can not be held responsible for the voting trends other people created.

Yes, yes you can. What he's saying is that, if you weren't ksun's buddy, it would be an optimal move for ksun to vote you to save his own skin. The fact that he didn't suggests that he didn't want to because you were his buddy. Now, there are flaws in this argument (ksun was a VI, and had disappeared at the end) but it's not a point without validity, and it's evidence of scumhunting. Therefore, it's townish.

I don't understand how you can be 100% sure someone is scum based on a trivial matter such as votecounts. I'm not responsible for others' votes.

Again, here, you're doing something that scum often do- you're nitpicking on a minor detail, pointing out an oddity in Furc's phrasing, to try to invalidate his entire case. No, you can't ever be 100% sure. You also restate your utterly BS argument that 'you're not responsible for other people's votes' to try to make out like voting patterns aren't a great source of evidence.

Not exactly sure how that helps town.

How does disagreeing on whether a particular course of action helps the town make him scum?

He mentions that I am mafia in his eyes, nothing new here, but this time he declares shanba as scum after only a couple of sentences analysing ONE post. Calls inHim scum out of the blue, doesn't mention him again until two posts later, the next day.

Again. WHAT IS SCUMMY ABOUT THIS? How would you expect someone who has Furcolow's personality and playstyle, and a town alignment, to act differently here? Overreacting to individual posts is not a scumtell, it's a poor player tell.

OH LOOK ANOTHER TIE BETWEEN ANON AND RICHARD WHAT EVER SHALL WE DO

If you'll notice, I said prod OR replace the following players. Blatant misrep here, at the very least on me. Isolating ksun's name from the list is nothing short of word twisting. Not like I new ksun was scum. If I knew ksun was scum, I wouldn't have bothered listing him and voted for him earlier.

OMGUS and WIFOM. Protip: No-one ever thinks the case on them is good. Again, it's perfectly explicable by Furc not really thinking through things. That you have Anon down as town is relevant if he comes up scum, or you do.

Cites me as his major FoS, nothing new, but inHim is a mere FoS. Wait, what? Wasn't it you, my dear Furcolow, who stated inHim was mafia only 3 posts ago? The change from "..., inHim and ... are scum" to "FOS: inHimShallibe" is interesting. Anon is now receiving more attention.

More scummy nitpicking.

Richard is behaving differently than he has in the games I have him labeled as town.

Inane fluff. Until you have played with me and I have flipped before, you aren't in any position to make competent assessments about how I play what alignment.

Again, how's it scummy?

I could go on like this, but i think i've made my point, and this post is long enough. I don't think Furc's the best reasoner in the world, and i think it's entirely possible he's pushing a personal vendetta against you, but I don't think a single thing you have pointed out is actually scummy.

[Anon]

If any townie is still inteterested in winning, you should prob wait for a replacement.

Im an even night vigilante.

[The Fonz]

unvote

can be proven or vigged.