Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[Kise]

Vote: Nightson

: Scum-bandwagoner.

Caught:

Day one: page one: post 5 + post 22

Over & out.

[Kise]

Kise, STFU and die.

Ya gotta gag me to death first.

@Chrono - There's no such thing as a policy lynch on me, unless being beautiful is a crime.......

[Kise]

Seriously speaking, isn't Nightson a better choice? He voted dramonic and myself right after Reck voted for the both of us. If that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is.

[Kise]

Cock....

I thought you had that operation done(?)

[Kise]

Oh yeah, I took all the monies after the divorce.

Could you please tell Nightson that optimal scum-play is to never follow their buddy's votes so soon D1?

[Kise]

But, crypto, if we combine what you and Reck say, then by process of elimination, doesn't that mean I'm scum team C????

[Kise]

Or have I forgotten that I'm actually a psychopath????

[Kise]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#2219250

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

[Kise]

Jester

.

[Kise]

[Kise]

Kise, STFU

Just shut up

1st reread...I do not like posts 33 and 39.

Yeah, I'm SK, and the asylum has driven me insane, but crypto is the only person I trust so

I can recruit

him to my side and we go through the game as dual SKs then must turn on each other in a game of chance at the end to decide who wins.

Features: Multiple, conflicting scum factions,

Vampires

, Werewolves, and Something Else, and as much creepy flavour as I can muster.

[Kise]

Screw it, I'm talking again.

crypto, I need to learn how to share the spotlight. Please accept my apologies.

Goat, you have to break down my posts 33 & 39 to detail exactly where the scumminess lies. If anyone else knows wtf Goat (oh, hey, we have deer and goat itt) is talking about when I'm basically+seriously pointing out Nightson following Reck's voting, please, do tell. The way I see it, Goat is slipping on the wagon, laughably trying to add merit to disguise the fact that it's bandwagoning, but not realizing how transparent his reasons are for voting. I want analysis that describes mafia motivation for what was said in 33 & 39, and I want it nice and cold, Goat. Otherwise, I'm gonna chop you up into stew for supper.

Fate, is post 179 obvtown to you?

[Kise]

Captain Obvious says: "No daykill."

Reck, how do you know as a definite that there are no cults in this game?

Merk, crypto & Reck were tossing around the idea that they were a pair of SKs, so perhaps that is where Chrono got it from.(?)

[Kise]

Seriously speaking, isn't Nightson a better choice?

He voted dramonic and myself right after Reck voted for the both of us

. If that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is.

No...he didn't. He followed Reck immediately on dramonic, but he wasn't the first or even the second person who followed Reck on to you...there were a couple people who followed Reck within minutes after he voted you (Fate and Animorph)...and you didn't even blink at them. Nightson's vote happened an hour later.

Biiiiiiiig fuuuuuuuu*******iiiinngg diiiiifffeereeeeeenncceeeee. Fate & Ani did not vote dramonic

with

Reck, so I did not list them as Reck's minions.

Could you please tell Nightson that optimal scum-play is to never follow their buddy's votes so soon D1?

So you're calling out Reck and Nightson as being master and minion, saying that "if that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is"...then six posts later you basically say that scum generally

wouldn't

behave that way.

I said that 6 posts later? You mean...this post:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#2219250

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

?

Unvote; Vote: The Goat

Let me put this in bold, capitol letters so that even the lurkers see it.

GOAT BANDWAGONED ME AS #4 (AFTER ZAZIER'S UNVOTE), CLAIMING THERE WERE LEGIT, NON-RVS REASONS TO DO SO. ALTHOUGH HE IS JUST

NOW

GETTING AROUND TO EXPLAINING THESE REASONS IN DETAIL, I HAVE JUST SHOWN TO YOU ALL IN THIS SAME POSTING WHY HIS REASONS MAKE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ADMIT IT, BUT I KNOW THAT GOAT, IN ACTUALITY, WANTED A PIECE OF MY BANDWAGON BUT DID NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN OPPORTUNISTIC BANDWAGONER, SO HE TACKED ON NON-SENSE REASONS TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT HIS VOTE WAS NON-SENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOW I COULDN'T JUST LET HIS SCUMMY LITTLE ASS SLIP BY WITHOUT ASKING HIM TO EXPLAIN WHAT I SUPPOSEDLY SAID THAT WAS WORTHY OF HIS 4TH VOTE, AND NOW THAT HE HAS EXPLAINED IT IN POST 206, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AND [try to] UNDERSTAND HIS REASONS. WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED, RE-READ THE TOP OF MY POST RIGHT HERE WHERE I RESPOND TO GOAT'S 206'S REASONS FOR BANDWAGONING ME TODAY. AFTERWARD, IF YOU CAN TOLERATE IT, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT 206. THEN, AGAIN, PLEASE READ MY COUNTER TO HIS POST 206. AFTER THAT, AND HOPEFULLY USING YOUR INTUITION, LET YOUR INSTINCTS TAKE OVER AND TYPE WHAT FEELS NATURAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE IN READING THIS.

[Kise]

I couldn't have done this without you, Reck. Let's reconcile.

[Kise]

What the fuck

Did nobody see Goat's misrep???

And why are you so concerned about the wagon, Fate?

[Kise]

1) The more I read, the more I think that Kise may not have been overreacting to the votes on him...he's just kinda hyper.

I never, ever overreacted. I figured Reck was just pulling a stunt (or he was a lyncher, which would be odd), and he gathered some carefree players to vote for me. But with you... you say I'm scummy for some make believe, improv reasons during my chat with crypto.

And you

misrepresented

me by mentioning how I contradict myself 6 posts later, when all I did was post a smiley & a link 6 posts later. How the hell are people not voting you right now?

Fine. No goodies for any of you tomorrow.

Also, crypto, just so you know: That Chrono trick doesn't work any more. It was done in another game, and attempted in an ongoing game I'm in with Chrono, but even here I wouldn't think it still works... Chrono knows not to freak out as scum if he thinks he's dead. Better yet, Fate of all players should know this best.

Fate, here:

Could you please tell Nightson that optimal scum-play is to never follow their buddy's votes so soon D1?

So you're calling out Reck and Nightson as being master and minion, saying that "if that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is"...

then six posts later you basically say that scum generally

wouldn't

behave that way.

I said that

6 posts later

? You mean...this post:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#2219250

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

?

MISMOTHAFU**INGREP< NOW HELP ME LYNCH THE GADDAMN GOAT!

crypto & Chrono might be scumbuddies for still trying to use a dated trick... Hell, Chrono might be scum everywhere.

[Kise]

If Chrono knows not to freak out as scum, why did he freak out as town? I can't quite wrap my head around why Chrono claimed if he thought he was about to die and flip.

Because in one of Chrono's games long ago, he got hammered and claimed during quasi-twilight something to the effect of, "good job, town, I am scum, ya got me." Scaring Chrono with a fake-hammer has been used in other game(s). However, people will announce how it makes Chrono obvtown if he doesn't claim being caught-scum when he's supposedly under the impression he is a goner. It's some kind of meta.... but, point is, it's an old trick, and ineffective if Chrono KNOWS what others are expecting him to say when they fake-hammer/fake-daykill.

Kise, don't try a cross game meta on me. It won't work.

Exactly... which is what I am telling crypto because the fake-me-out daykill + your reaction means little when you've gotten used to the trick.

In POST THIRTY THREE, you used the "master and minion" bit.

In POST THIRTY NINE, you said that scumbuddies shouldn't behave that way.

Okay, I got mixed up there with the 6 posts later thing. I can admit to that. But, because I say that scum shouldn't behave a certain way, doesn't mean that Nightson followed the formula. Which is why I say that someone should TELL Nightson HOW to behave -- because he's not doing what good scum should do. So now that I understand you, do you understand that what I was saying in post 39 is not a contradiction on my part?

I like how we all have different arguments going on.

[Kise]

Chrono, would you agree with me that crypto's fake-kill over you was not effective in discovering your alignment based on your reaction to the aforementioned fake-kill?

I already call Goatrevolt Goat, so you'll be Goaty ^.^

I say we call him Goatse from now on.

Why do people keep saying there was a night 0?

[Kise]

Mod - Just so you know, FC Groningen was V/LA for a while in my game, and I believe that may have been around the time this game began. I don't think it would hurt to PM him now just to check.

[Kise]

I'm a big nutter, actually. I suppose we can kiss and make-up..... don't know where to go from here.

Unvote

Aww, shit.....

Maybe Nightson's 417 is where I should be looking at. I'll be back tomorrow to decide.

[Kise]

Yeah, I make a lot of dick moves.

*surprised no one had an immature joke to tag onto this*

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

I don't know what scum strategy whats-his-face is talking about, but it seems like SV would only iso dramonic after being pressured. Lazy & hasty.

[Kise]

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

He openly admits that SV is an easy lynch target ("lynch bait"), then votes him? Really? Are you that open to admitting you're wagoning an easy target? Explain nao.

And he didn't counter SV's evaluation neither. dram makes me cry.

[Kise]

I am attending to my final exams & essays this week. After my classes Monday, I will try to get involved here.

[Kise]

Lunatic sounds like it may be curable via psychiatrist work.

And if I'm not in the alliance, I'll just have to start up my own ragtag group. We'll be..... the losers.....

[Kise]

Wait.... *re-reads 820 & 822*

.....

...

.........

........

.........

ohigetitnow

Vote: animorph

Nobody wins the game before me!











And my town of course!

[Kise]

I'd take you up on the offer. Hell, it seems like your kills were the only ones that got revealed. Maybe the werewolves are still eating Chrono and Nightson.... I had a scumread on Night, though.

On the other side of things, raj, are you onto something definite?

[Kise]

Ani, we won't let you win anyway, but I do think having you around for an extra kill/NK-bait would be a good idea. I'm game for it if others are.

Actually, let me test you first. Why did you pick Fate?

[Kise]

Vote: crypto

Not OMGUS at all. His DNA is all over Chronopie's body. Quicklynch at will.

[Kise]

Claim: bi.

So you admit to targeting Chrono? Otherwise, if you ain't do nuffin, you should have flat out denied it or called me crazy.

I got him.

I may or may not catch more scum by 2 more days. Watch me tonight, plz.

[Kise]

Wait, was that a real claim, crypto, or are you asking me for a claim? Or is it another word for bye? Or bisexual? Or other?

[Kise]

...... why am I not being taken seriously? The semi-flavored result I received reveals that crypto's "vestige" was strongly found on Chronopie's remains, therefore he killed and ate him. Think about it: Chronopie was left nothing more than bone, yet traces of crypto are

strongly

found all over him? He ate him, the sick bastard. He doesn't even try to shoot me down, instead joking about being bisexual.

No bus driving or other forms of manipulation could screw this up. There are no loopholes to help your buddy escape this one. This is guaranteed. I'm not gonna get another one of these for a while, so please make use of it today and hopefully someone can dream about scum tomorrow for a quicklynch. CSI ain't got nothing on me, now

stop

dicking around and bus him already.

[Kise]

I'm having a scumday!!!!!

Do you think this is a gambit because I lack aggression with my approach? I'm not the type of guy to scream "OH FUCK YEAH, FUCK YOU, I GOTTA GUILTY AND YOU"RE GETTING LYNCHED FUCKER." I'm being a gentlemen about this.

[Kise]

Unvote; Vote: Spyrex

Rival scum can kill crypto tonight. Science > the new alliance, iHsib. No, I did not GO into the tunnels. His bones were chucked out this morning, remember?

Scum will roleblock me tonight, so someone watch my back, por favor.

[Kise]

Someone should also dream about me tonight. I'll have you waking up with a soiled pair of drawers.

[Kise]

The thing about it is, as hinted to when KoC promoted the game, there are multiple scum factions here (Wolf, Vamp, Creature, Lune) so there's obviously going to be an equal number of investigators and/or other ways to balance it for the (few?) townsfolk.

If you flip wolf, then I guess you're either lying about there being some scum-manipulated dreams (didn't YOU dream about someone?) or that's one of your faction's abilities. Although wolves giving other people dreams is a weird thing. Maybe nightmares.... but like I said, dream about me if you want the night of your life. It's the closest thing to free sex.

[Kise]

Vote: cyrpto

A bus, kupo?

Crypto, why would I get a result that implies you targeted Chronopie night 1 (now that I think about it, maybe night 2... but still, you'd have to be IN the tunnels to target Chrono night 2)?

[Kise]

i suggest kise and reckoner and sucrose for the alliance.

Seven Samurai?

[Kise]

Wellllllllll

I had a dream.

That dream said SV is innocent.

[Kise]

You can't coach a wizard..

Also, the crypto result is not due to a dream. I was quite awake this morning.

[Kise]

Ah, shit, so this is a cult game...

[Kise]

It doesn't matter what order the lynches happen. We have yet to see a wolf die so lessening the numbers of these groups will make the scumteams act under more pressure. That to me is better than having them live and work as a group.

I'm pretty sure we'll get more dreams to confirm/condemn people tomorrow. Spyrex would be killed if not lynched, and vice versa for crypto. The order doesn't matter but, judging by Nightson being eaten by one group, I'd say the vampires ate Chrono. Crypto can have his last meal tonight and may actually crosskill. In addition, he may be the last vampire if my math is correct.

[Kise]

Then, like, vote and stuff. (SV)

[Kise]

Spyrex has a dream that SV is innocent, then the Wizard is reported to be a wolf recruit. MME is doing his best to attack the wagon, earlier saying scum hopped on due to the speed. SV voices agreement with Spy dying, but doesn't place a vote.

I'd say those are three wolfmen right there.

[Kise]

Remember, folks, use silver bullets for the wolfpack, and wooden stakes for the bloodsuckers.

Reck, we're lynching Spyrex today instead. Dry-Fit has guaranteed us Spyrex's alignment/faction.

*checks back*

Dry-Fit isn't voting Spyrex.

[Kise]

I get the feeling [at least] one of you are scum taunting me.

The semi-flavored scene I got yesterday said I was overhearing men in lab coats; crypto supposedly left his mark on Chronopie. However, that scene/ability/mechanic has nothing to do with my role. I mentioned that I'd be able to get more results because I was hoping to draw a scum roleblock (if present & possible). When I said crypto's DNA was on Chrono, that was more so feigning a forensic/coroner role (half-gambit, yes). And as for what my role is, is that important right now?

I've been thinking all weekend about what the hell happened here. Either I got punked, or.. fuck knows. I could speculate, but there's no point with this little information. Would anyone guess that multiple factions = bastard game? My role PM doesn't suggest anything deceiving, nor does it suggest I'm a crazy member of the asylum who may imagine things.

I'm looking at MME, SV & Reaper today. BBS with quotes.

[Kise]

@Deer: I'm the one who got played like a fiddle. I'm hopehopehoping that crypto is (in the words of Antifinity) a Death Godfather and we are told during fallout that he was really mafia.[/joke... but no srly wat da fck]

@d_j: I expected to be today's (limited) subject...

i think he's claiming "bisexual".

what the hell is going on? was that a gambit?

Why did you think I was gambiting?

Vote: cyrpto

happy scumday, Kise!

So if the wolves killed Nightson, then that should mean the vamps killed Chrono. Merk, being one of those who killed Chrono, should have known it was he who ate Chrono and not crypto... Sounds far fetched but I'm wondering if the lab men were really vampires in disguise. With Merk wanting to quicklynch crypto, I could see openings for the next day where he helps put me under fire. This of course assumes that Merk and the vampires had anything to do with me overhearing the lab men.

So, things that need to happen in the near future:

3.) Kise coming in and saying what the hell is going on for 100% sure (cryptos response is town as hell soo).

I'm not going after crypto because I still think crypto is town. Although since Kise has cleared up his business its looking like a 1-1 there but even then I'd still lean towards Kise hard first if it has to be tested.

Those dreams,

guaranteed

, are not all true. Especially since, if somehow my dream was true, there would be some kind of corresponding dream similar for the next night. Which there isn't. Its just ohh hay there's three cop-dreams and then some kinda bizarro dream but sure they all work.

It's something to think about when Spy expresses an absolute belief that crypto is town. I think he's expressing he knew crypto was town in order to look good after the mislynch flip, if his team is responsible for my confusion. Seeing crypto flip only shows that Spy's guarantee was correct. I'm questioning why he keeps assuming/assuring that not all of the mechanics are true.

vote: SpyreX

for being anti town.

This was May 22nd, Day 2.

as much as i hate the alliance spyrex has been pretty good this game.

vote:deer

May 26th, the beginning of Day 2. I'm labeling raj as a possible werewolf recruiter to pull a switcheroo like that.

Raj - (4) don_johnson, Dry-fit, Lowell, ReaperCharlie

Deer - (3) SpyreX, crypto, Raj

Crypto - (3) Kise, xRx, easjo
SpyreX - (1) Deer

Unvote; Vote: Spyrex

Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

The Alliance is dead, long live the New Alliance!

crypto

Deer
Shattered Viewpoint
inHimshallIbe
Dry-fit
don_johnson

and since the vamp's killed spyre, that could very well mean that crypto is vampscum.

unvote, vote: crypto

I know someone reminded you that crypto may be scum and you later rejected him from your alliance, but, additionally, what makes you say that the poisoner is vampire? Whoever it is has poisoned Merk and Spyrex, so unless they were being an asshole, I'd say the poisoner isn't wolf nor bloodsucker. Third party? Maybe. I could buy a town poisoner if the flavor fits.

Spyrex has a dream that SV is innocent, then the Wizard is reported to be a wolf recruit. MME is doing his best to attack the wagon, earlier saying scum hopped on due to the speed. SV voices agreement with Spy dying, but doesn't place a vote.

I'd say those are three wolfmen right there.

Still considering this. MME, you desperately attempted to derail Spy's wagon yesterday; I saw 3 counts of this on a single page. Help me/us understand why the order we lynched crypto or Spyrex mattered so much to you?

Uhhh... well, ok. This proves the Night 1 dreams were all true.

Anyways, this is a suggestion for a new alliance:

- Deer
- ReaperCharlie
- Sucrose
- Kise
- don_johnson
- InHimIshallBe
- Reckoner
- Shattered Viewpoint

I call it "The let's bus spyrex alliance", tlbsa for short. Notable members include Sucrose, Kise and Reckoner.

Right. I bussed Spyrex, says the guy who defended him.

[Kise]

Mod: prods on Jackalope & lukedukepuke please

[Kise]

vote: SpyreX

for being anti town.

This was May 22nd, Day 2.

as much as i hate the alliance spyrex has been pretty good this game.

vote:deer

May 26th, the beginning of Day

3

.

Amended.

d_j, let me ask this another way... what inspired you to ask me that question?

[Kise]

Now that you mention it, with what's gone down... I'd put money on the dreams/scenes being randomly generated and not enabled by one of you players. I wouldn't even question Dry-Fit at the moment due to him handing us Spyrex. Maybe down the line just to be sure, but not immediately.

imo

, you were either proffering actual investigation results, or

you were gambiting for reactions

. i just wanted to know.

Yet you just said:

kise: when someone asks "was that a gambit?",

they are not implying that they think it was a gambit

, they are simply asking "was that a gambit?" make sense?

1134 would have been a fine answer. Now, saying two different points of logic makes it all useless, however. 1131 gives the impression that you randomly shot out the idea I was gambiting, when 1134 gives the impression you had existing belief I was gambiting. You can't have your cake and eat it. That's how you get fat.

[Kise]

Are you saying that you would not vote to lynch someone with a guilty result? Do you think they are random correct results, or random RANDOM results?

In the words of crypto himself, it's possible that there will be some results that are merely here to muddy the truth. It may still be too early to determine whether these are random correct results (which appears to be the case at the moment in regards to dreams) or random random results.

[Kise]

See... I called this on day one... I had Nightson as scum for being a minion, then I had Goat for jumping on me with a vote over nuffin'. My gut worked out better than that BS I got concerning crypto.

But nobody ever listens to my intuition, only results.

Goat, did you and Nightson have anything to do with the lab coat wearing, Ted Danson looking dudes? Honestly? HONESTLY?

[Kise]

First post of the game!

[Kise]

Vote: The Goat

I fucking knew it

Me too dude! Shit's crazy ain't it?

Goat, I'm not quite following why you'd throw in the towel like this. What's going on?

[Kise]

Also, more people voting raj, please.

I'm feeling that. But first, there's been two dreams revealed every day. Unless I'm wrong, we've only had one dream from Sucrose. And, unless one of the inactives or easyjo was the dreamer, then we should have another person who has something.

EDIT: Now that the votes have been reset.... *hops on*

Vote: rajfreak

[Kise]

But I wasn't lying, kupo.

[Kise]

What happened to samurai seven?

[Kise]

Well he's either innocent, werewolf, or other.

[Kise]

Sooooo...
Okay whatever.

*lurks like the rest*

[Kise]

Somebody doesn't want to bus...

[Kise]

Tissue samples......

Other creatures......



I had a dream too.. I think I'll keep it to myself though.

[Kise]

Can I replace Zazier tonight?
Or... now?

I'll give my dream if and only if you guys make me feel special. It's an innocent result.

[Kise]

I also noticed that d_j was apparently collecting scraps of meat and bone of the NK victims. I think he's like a janitor of some sorts and was delaying the reveals. That could explain why he was able flip the same night he was killed.

[Kise]

Still willing to replace.

[Kise]

Cool stuff. I asked you earlier, but I still want to know about the investigator. He was a day investigator?

Reck had me scared at first until I realized there was no night start, and I'm immune to cops. Oh, and sorry about that, crypt. Well, not really. The honest reason I faked that result on you was because you voted me out the gate, and I thought you tried to vamp-recruit me N1 and found out D3 that it failed so I must've been non-town in your eyes. Then it turns out Nightson was an original, and Merk got poisoned early on. Either way, there could be no possible way for the scenario I imagined to be true, and I feared you were innocent but decided to ride it out. With d_j being the only one that wanted to vote me the day after, the wolves worked out something was up with him on top of thinking the dreams were being assigned automatically & in a specific player-order.

And about that dream I had the other night..... I dreamed I was sitting at the dinner table with my packmates, feasting on the flesh of you clueless knobs.

I can't find the QT link but I'm sure Spyrex has it; maybe Sucrose.

[Kise]

Shit, we thought you were scum, R_C. Shoulda killed you instead of 'jo.

[Kise]

You should've stayed in the hydra and helped a brotha out.