Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[JackALope2323]

I'm lynching players who are being anti-town. Scum or not, anti-town players need to die.

If you are town then lynching anti-town players does not satisfy your win condition. Lynching scum satisfies your win condition.

No, it does not satisfy my lynch condition.

It does, however, improve the chances of achieving my lynch condition by a noticeable amount.

Also, to everything in this thread:

*facepalm*

At least the ratio of WTF to useful posts is balancing out.

Reaper's fakeclaim is... I dunno. I'll have to read him more.

This drama between chronopie and crypto is confusing me, though.

I'm slightly confused all these fools are exactly that... Or at least one of them is a Jester/Fool role, anyways.

With 25 players, I wouldn't be surprised if a role like that popped up.

Deer isn't looking too hot, either, even if he is making content-full posts. Most of it is really obviously weak arguments.

Nightson... My brain says scum, my gut says town. Needs to stop lurking, though.

Fate needs to stop lurking, too.

Dry-fit I like, though. About the only one I do so far. =/

Animorph as well, a bit. Although, not saying he has massive town points. Just saying he has marginally above a neutral read, which is better than most everybody else in the game so far.

1. People need to stop lurking.

2. When people stop lurking, they need to make posts that do two things:
A. Make sense
B. Have actual content

3. People need to stop being asshats and fake claiming and post flooding and all this other bullcrap they're pulling. All it's doing is confusing the town, which is not good for the town in the slightest bit imaginable.

(Although, I'm still somewhat convinced town is the minority, and we're all fighting against several scum factions who, collectively, out number us. I think our only hope might be to play them off against each other.)

[crypto]

Holy nucking futs, people. Please tell me the puzzling over Reaper's claim is not serious.

[Deer]

Ok. Well, something tells me I took this game waaay too seriously to start. I thought everyone else was somewhat doing the same. Guess not, my apologies.

Anyways, Jackalope is looking worse and worse - he's saying things like:

1. People need to stop lurking.

2. When people stop lurking, they need to make posts that do two things:
A. Make sense
B. Have actual content

3. People need to stop being asshats and fake claiming and post flooding and all this other bullcrap they're pulling. All it's doing is confusing the town, which is not good for the town in the slightest bit imaginable.

(Although, I'm still somewhat convinced town is the minority, and we're all fighting against several scum factions who, collectively, out number us. I think our only hope might be to play them off against each other.)

90% of us are either lurking, making posts that have minimal content, or just plain being asshats.

Basically criticizing the town and acting like he's Mr. Pro-Town Leader. Posts like that insinuate that he's town, which is something I never like people coming out and saying.

unvote, vote: JackALope2323

[The Goat]

Seriously speaking, isn't Nightson a better choice?

He voted dramonic and myself right after Reck voted for the both of us

. If that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is.

No...he didn't. He followed Reck immediately on dramonic, but he wasn't the first or even the second person who followed Reck on to you...there were a couple people who followed Reck within minutes after he voted you (Fate and Animorph)...and you didn't even blink at them. Nightson's vote happened an hour later.

Biiiiiiiig fuuuuuuuu*******iiiinngg diiiiifffeereeeeeenncceeeee. Fate & Ani did not vote dramonic

with

Reck, so I did not list them as Reck's minions.

Could you please tell Nightson that optimal scum-play is to never follow their buddy's votes so soon D1?

So you're calling out Reck and Nightson as being master and minion, saying that "if that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is"...then six posts later you basically say that scum generally

wouldn't

behave that way.

I said that 6 posts later? You mean...this post:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#2219250

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

?

Unvote; Vote: The Goat

Let me put this in bold, capitol letters so that even the lurkers see it.

GOAT BANDWAGONED ME AS #4 (AFTER ZAZIER'S UNVOTE), CLAIMING THERE WERE LEGIT, NON-RVS REASONS TO DO SO. ALTHOUGH HE IS JUST

NOW

GETTING AROUND TO EXPLAINING THESE REASONS IN DETAIL, I HAVE JUST SHOWN TO YOU ALL IN THIS SAME POSTING WHY HIS REASONS MAKE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ADMIT IT, BUT I KNOW THAT GOAT, IN ACTUALITY, WANTED A PIECE OF MY BANDWAGON BUT DID NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN OPPORTUNISTIC BANDWAGONER, SO HE TACKED ON NON-SENSE REASONS TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT HIS VOTE WAS NON-SENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOW I COULDN'T JUST LET HIS SCUMMY LITTLE ASS SLIP BY WITHOUT ASKING HIM TO EXPLAIN WHAT I SUPPOSEDLY SAID THAT WAS WORTHY OF HIS 4TH VOTE, AND NOW THAT HE HAS EXPLAINED IT IN POST 206, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AND [try to] UNDERSTAND HIS REASONS. WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED, RE-READ THE TOP OF MY POST RIGHT HERE WHERE I RESPOND TO GOAT'S 206'S REASONS FOR BANDWAGONING ME TODAY. AFTERWARD, IF YOU CAN TOLERATE IT, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT 206. THEN, AGAIN, PLEASE READ MY COUNTER TO HIS POST 206. AFTER THAT, AND HOPEFULLY USING YOUR INTUITION, LET YOUR INSTINCTS TAKE OVER AND TYPE WHAT FEELS NATURAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE IN READING THIS.

Wow.

Kise...I openly admitted that I vote you based on tidbits of information...it's not like I went on a rant about how scummy you were.

Here...see? (And...I'm going to assume that people read the thread...so I won't use the all-caps bold thing, but to clarify...

the following quote is the most essential part of why I voted for you in the first place:

)

Is it incredibly damning? No. But it looked a little like an overreaction, or a deflection/distraction to me. It's D1, and I'm scumhunting on whatever tidbits I can find. Overreactions tend to be one of those tidbits...and it's something you've done twice now.

...and now you've done it THREE times. The main reason I voted you in the first place is the way you reacted to the Nightson votes, trying to establish a Reck/Nightson "connection" when you got a few votes on you. Is that connection possible? Sure. Was it a logical inference based on the voting pattern? I don't think so.

The only reason it's staying there at this point is the way you're freaking out about it.

Also, you're either misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I said regarding "six posts later". I'm assuming it's the latter.

Here's post 33:

Seriously speaking, isn't Nightson a better choice?

He voted dramonic and myself right after Reck voted for the both of us

. If that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is.

Here's post 39...or, doing the math...

six posts later

:

Could you please tell Nightson that optimal scum-play is to never follow their buddy's votes so soon D1?

...aaand here's what I said about it:

So you're calling out Reck and Nightson as being master and minion, saying that "if that's not a master and his minion, I don't know what is"...then six posts later you basically say that scum generally

wouldn't

behave that way.

Clearer now?
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[crypto]

Goat, what's your read on Kise?

[The Goat]

Goat, what's your read on Kise?

LOL

Cliffs notes: He got a little too antsy a little too early when he got a few votes on him.

[crypto]

Okay, sorry about that.

[The Goat]

Ok. Well, something tells me I took this game waaay too seriously to start. I thought everyone else was somewhat doing the same. Guess not, my apologies.

Anyways, Jackalope is looking worse and worse - he's saying things like:

1. People need to stop lurking.

2. When people stop lurking, they need to make posts that do two things:
A. Make sense
B. Have actual content

3. People need to stop being asshats and fake claiming and post flooding and all this other bullcrap they're pulling. All it's doing is confusing the town, which is not good for the town in the slightest bit imaginable.

(Although, I'm still somewhat convinced town is the minority, and we're all fighting against several scum factions who, collectively, out number us. I think our only hope might be to play them off against each other.)

90% of us are either lurking, making posts that have minimal content, or just plain being asshats.

Basically criticizing the town and acting like he's Mr. Pro-Town Leader. Posts like that insinuate that he's town, which is something I never like people coming out and saying.

unvote, vote: JackALope2323

To clarify...are you voting him because he's acting TOO "pro-town?"

[ReaperCharlie]

Holy nucking futs, people. Please tell me the puzzling over Reaper's claim is not serious.

lmao!

We... arent claiming yet...
Or I missed the train?

What the fuck, ReaperCharlie.

Also, that role sounds particularly not pro-town.

RC = third party. Good to know. But his wincon doesn't contradict town's wincon, so he's not particularly dangerous.

Ok... seriously? I was busting a gut at work. Sry lol

I'll play more serious now

[Deer]

To clarify...are you voting him because he's acting TOO "pro-town?"

No. I'm voting him because he's insinuating he's pro-town in his posts and tries to "rally up the town" by criticizing them, but his actions and scumhunting efforts aren't those of a particularly pro-town player.

[crypto]

It makes sense.

I don't get why Deer is scummy.

[ReaperCharlie]

Goat, I agree with Deer's 252 about Jackalope. Trying to cement oneself as a super-townie early on has always been a relatively reliable scumtell in my book. Very few townies do this.

It's a bit of a gambit, but it pays off big-time when it comes to bussing scumchums later (or if there are multiple scumgroups, finding and lynching them helps out somewhat with your town-appeal).

Vote: Jackalope.

Also, none of the other wagons seem particularly enticing to me at the moment. I would like to hear more from SpyreX. pl0x, with a cherry on top.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't get why Deer is scummy.

duh! Deer shot Dr. Schröder! lol

Oh and since KoC is being anal retentive, I'll fix my vote so he has no excuse not to count it.

Unvote; Vote: JackALope2323

Attempting to be more of a smart-arse than I am is the fastest way to piss me off.

[Merkabah]

@Jack - Why are you not voting Chrono instead of HoSing him?

Merk, crypto & Reck were tossing around the idea that they were a pair of SKs, so perhaps that is where Chrono got it from.(?)

We were?

Kise actually rubs me a bit wrong.

How so?

@ Deer - On a scale of 1-10, how good of a lynch is Chrono today?

@Merkabah
As far as I know, I haven't played a town game to completion since I'm back :S Do you want games with my previous playstyle? Else, you can look at Seemingly Normal Mafia, large theme modded by Jebus, where I was scum with the playstyle I have now.

Bleh, no worries then. Why did you change your playstyle so drastically?

unvote, vote:Merkabah

lol, are you actually going to push this as anything but OMGUS?

When I flip, take a good hard look at this cat (provided that I die before him). I already claimed this games equivalent to VT, in case you didn't pick up on it. which btw, wasn't included in the OP.

Are you serious?! The VT pm isn't in the OP? well you're confirmed town then.....oh wait, the mod just said that the setup was 99.99% unbreakable. Not giving the scum a sample town PM makes it about 99.99% breakable. Tough nuts. Try again.

For those of you who don't know, early claiming is one of the most reliable scumtells on MS. Scum feel non-existent pressure and try to get it off of them by claiming without being prompted. Meanwhile, town members have no reason to claim early and in fact do not want to claim at all if they don't have to because it helps the scum better narrow down who they should kill at night. Chrono is all but confirmed scum at this point.

2. When people stop lurking, they need to make posts that do two things:
A. Make sense
B. Have actual content

Have you read our chrono case? If so, why are you not voting him?

@SpyreX - you are kinda doing awholelotta nothing this game? What gives?

[JackALope2323]

@ Deer: Oh yes, because I want to insinuate them I'm pro-scum. =/

And I am criticizing the town. Is there anything wrong with that when what seems like the entire town is being anti-town?

@ Reaper: I'm not trying to cement myself as a super-townie.

What I AM trying to do is to get the rest of the townies actually DOING something, rather than sitting back and playing this whatever the fuck it is.

[JackALope2323]

@ Merka: Because I feel Reckoning is a better vote, at this time.

That can easily change, mind you. Chrono isn't exactly doing good on my Scumometer, either.

[Chronopie]

FoS: Jackalope

hypocritical scum is hypocritical.

Notice that Merk's gone quiet since I explained my position and voted them. Picking out one target, then retreating when they defend themselves.

[JackALope2323]

@ Chrono: How am I being hypocritical?

[JackALope2323]

FoS: Jackalope

hypocritical scum is hypocritical.

Notice that Merk's gone quiet since I explained my position and voted them. Picking out one target, then retreating when they defend themselves.

264

lol simulposting

[JackALope2323]

To clarify...are you voting him because he's acting TOO "pro-town?"

No. I'm voting him because he's insinuating he's pro-town in his posts and tries to "rally up the town" by criticizing them, but his actions and scumhunting efforts aren't those of a particularly pro-town player.

And how exactly would you get all these players from their whatever it is to actually participating?

Besides Kise, Dry-fit and Goat, I see few players who are doing any actual playing.

Note: Fakeclaiming and joking around are not actual playing.

[crypto]

Pro tip, Chronopie: If you think you're already dead, don't bother claiming your fucking role. TIA.

[Nightson]

Kise actually rubs me a bit wrong.

How so?

Early reactions to the random vote bandwagon seemed sort of scummy, and it was enough to want to keep the vote on him just for some pressure. But he's seemed more protown since then and dropped down the list.

[Chronopie]

@Merk: I claimed my role after, what I now see to be, a Fake Day-kill post from Crypto, Who had just commented that there was some truth to Reck's SK claim.
Which was also the source what the semi-joke/semi-panic post of '

What? you're actually a Day-killing SK?

'

--

@Jack: as others have stated, (and I agree with), your #250 looks like you are trying to criticise others for lurking and lack of content, which you are yourself guilty of.

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@Crypto; In future, I'll know better. Hadn't seen that used before this game. (saw it again in another game shortly afterwards <ongoing>)

[Deer]

@ Deer - On a scale of 1-10, how good of a lynch is Chrono today?

7.5. I like your case on him.

And how exactly would you get all these players from their whatever it is to actually participating?

That's not my job. My job is to find scum and lynch them. I can't find a single post of yours that shows you actually looking for scum. Trying to get other players participating is an easy way to make yourself look pro-town without scumhunting. Who is your top scum read and why?

[crypto]

Chrono is town.