Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[Glork]

Finally, I am idlly wondering if Devo should claim, on the off-chance she dies at end-of-day anyway. Cue the "OMG GLORK IS ROLEFISHING" accusation posts.

Devo, at the start of D2 I asked if I was still blind or if that got erased at end of day, and the mod told me I was good to go. Could you ask the same about your Doom status? ("What happens if my doom counter does not reach zero before the day ends?")

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Vote Count:

Nothing.

Not Voting:

Antifinity
bill1148
Chronopie
Devotress
dramonic
DTMaster
FC Groningen
Glork
JPSalazar
KDub
MehPlusRawr
PranaDevil
thatguy00
wolframnhart

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

June 1st - 3:00 PM EST

[Glork]

Unoffiical FoS Count:

Antifinity 1 (bill1148)
KDub 1 (Glork)


Not FoSing: 12 (JPSalazar, KDub, Devotress, PranaDevil, Chronopie, Antifinity, DTMaster, thatguy00, dramonic, FC Groningen, wolframnhart, MehPlusRawr)

[dramonic]

you were originally saying nothingness and drowned belonged to the scumgroup. I was telling you shooting their body wasnt exactly good.

[Chronopie]

If anything, the Music notes sound like a roleblocker.

The FoS's didn't change the doom count, so I'm assuming they're safe. Either that or Kise has yet to edit them in.

[Glork]

you were originally saying nothingness and drowned belonged to the scumgroup. I was telling you shooting their body wasnt exactly good.

I still fail to see how Nothingness/Drowned being in the same group means they killed their own member.

[JPSalazar]

Ugh. Guys, I am SO SORRY for being MIA longer than what was expected. One would think that things would be routine, but with a history of liver failure taken into account, they decide to run everything under the sun.

I invite you to confirm with the mod, Kise, if you think I am lying.

Regardless. YES. I am delighted to see that a scum is eliminated. Perhaps we may finally be able to head down some sort of logical path.

@Glork:

I am definitely leaning more towards Antifinity being scum. I had been right initially in my Iecerint suspicion, and while my suspicion for PranaDevil has not gone away, I think Antifinity is more of a danger if he's revealed to be scum. I also suspect kdub, and my suspicions, as mentioned above, are in order of severity.

I don't want to cast a vote because we've seen what the Doom has done in the past.

[Chronopie]

That sounds like a negation ability. In which case, that may explain why two players were not killed N2...because Anti was negated.

Just noticed this. Do you know something we don't bill? Such as Anti is

definitely

a killing role?

FoS: Bill

[Glork]

@Glork:

I am definitely leaning more towards Antifinity being scum. I had been right initially in my Iecerint suspicionin the past.

Apparently you don't understand how a Death Miller role works exactly.

It is a role, which, when killed, shows up as a Mafia member rather than its actual role.

General consensus is that Iece was actually protown, because as scum he would have flipped "Mafia Blinder" (or similar) and nobody would have been blinded.

[Kdub]

Regarding the kill flavor, "electrocuted" doesn't fit in with the 4 fiends since none of them are lightning elemental. "Reduced to nothing" (with the wind-elemental flavor text in the mod scene) could be Tiamat, and "drowned" could be Kraken, but dram raises a fair point that it would imply that scum killed their own partner (bv). Maybe some sort of bus driving or redirecting went on? "Electrocuted" is probably either an SK or another scum team (or the 4 fiends aren't the flavor of the scum team).

Glork:
Any reason for singling me out among those who "failed to make an impression" on you?

As I indicated during night, I'm suspicious of how the Anti wagon stalled and got diverted onto Iec, and bv and dram were the main votes who led to that. I don't really get much out of an iso read of bv unfortunately. Bill's point about the music being some sort of roleblock seems reasonable, but then why didn't it happen to anyone on N1?

For now,

FoS: Antifinity

. I'm not sure if my vote will affect the doom countdown, but I won't test it unless people want me to prove my blindness.

[dramonic]

you were originally saying nothingness and drowned belonged to the scumgroup. I was telling you shooting their body wasnt exactly good.

I still fail to see how Nothingness/Drowned being in the same group means they killed their own member.

Are you implying two mafia groups? I thought your theory was SK?

[bill1148]

That sounds like a negation ability. In which case, that may explain why two players were not killed N2...because Anti was negated.

Just noticed this. Do you know something we don't bill? Such as Anti is

definitely

a killing role?

FoS: Bill

There were 2 kills N1 and N3. There was only 1 kill N2. Therefore, the player who wanted to kill someone N2 was negated. Basic deduction.

[bill1148]

btw, does anyone know what the "Thief" ability specifically does?

[Glork]

you were originally saying nothingness and drowned belonged to the scumgroup. I was telling you shooting their body wasnt exactly good.

I still fail to see how Nothingness/Drowned being in the same group means they killed their own member.

Are you implying two mafia groups? I thought your theory was SK?

....

Go back and read what I said.

Originally I said two mafia groups + SK was a possibility, though unlikely.
Then I said two "scumgroups" (meaning Mafia + Mafia or Mafia + SK) + Vig was also a possiblity.

Either way, that STILL doesn't explain how you got "kill their own scumbuddy" out of it.



Bill: Traditionally, Thief is an investigative role, which may or may not also be a miller. Each night, the Thief targets one player and gets information about that player's role and/or ability by "stealing" an item belonging to that person. It was designed as an alternate to Cops in flavorful games. See the wiki entry for more.

[dramonic]

As I indicated during night, I'm suspicious of how the Anti wagon stalled and got diverted onto Iec, and bv and dram were the main votes who led to that.

Hey, look who's the first vote on the Iece wagon?
It's you!
Look who's sixth... it's me!

Remind me how I'M the one leading the wagon onto Iec when I voted Anti for like, 9/10th of yesterday?

FoS: kdub

You're so full of crap

[dramonic]

@Glork: Reread it, I think I just got what you meant.

However, mafia+SK+vig makes 0 sense considering the one inconsistent flavourkill hit the mafia.

[Kdub]

Hey, look who's the first vote on the Iece wagon?
It's you!

Look who's sixth... it's me!

Remind me how I'M the one leading the wagon onto Iec when I voted Anti for like, 9/10th of yesterday?

I can't tell if you just missed my point completely or if you are deliberately trying to twist what I said into something that makes you look better. Either way, the bolded above pretty much reinforces what I was actually saying rather than what you want people to think I said. Care to share your current views on Anti?

[dramonic]

I'm suspicious of how the Anti wagon stalled and got diverted onto Iec, and bv and dram were the main votes who led to that.

This says its my and bv's fault the Anti wagon got diverted. I'm saying when i switched vote it was already a dead wagon.

Also, he's not off the hook, but those last posts of yours are terribad.

[Devotress]

Regarding whether I'll live tomorrow, I pm'd Kise:
Kise said the only person he'd give that info too is whoever casts doom. So we don't know if i'll live if the day ends before countdown.

My problems with FOS'ing:

I just wanted to touch on this post. Sure I have a bias as the person who is going to die if we don't go the FOS rought, but.
You are essentially arguing in 4/5 of those points, that it's better to not be inconvenienced and let the mafia have a free extra kill, and I think you can see why that is bad.
Your other point is that the mafia could use their night kill to create wifom on people. I don't think it's worth the risk and have a very hard time imagining the mafia risking killing one of their own people just to give someone some possible town points.

[thatguy00]

Okay dudes, I'm trying to catch myself up... never replaced in a game this deep and it's hard to catch up on everything.

[MehPlusRawr]

FoS: Prana

He's just as scummy as yesterday.

[PranaDevil]

Glork, you missed me saying I'd be happy with an Anti lynch (I didn't FoS in case it upped the Doom counter, I'd rather play it on the safe side this time round all things considered. Now we know it doesn't, I'll add it here)

FoS: Anti

and Meh, mind actually saying WHY my post from this day phase (the whole one of them so far) was scummy? If you're going to make comments, back them up.

[Glork]

I'm considering the possibility that inHim got a partially damning result on Prana. In his very first post he states he has a "stone cold lock" on Prana as scum, and he maintains this position throughout his posts.

Prana point-blank tells him that he's an information role, and inHim denies it (as any good info role should do when confronted with their investigated guilty), but his language and adamancy make it VERY clear that Prana is scum and that inHim wants Prana dead.

UnFoS: KDub
FoS: Prana

for now... Prana's play has seemed off at times anyway, so I'm content with a bit more pressure here.

[Glork]

Your other point is that the mafia could use their night kill to create wifom on people. I don't think it's worth the risk and have a very hard time imagining the mafia risking killing one of their own people just to give someone some possible town points.

The "WIFOM" point is doubly nullified by the fact that we know there are two non-town killing groups. Seems silly to say "X was doomed so they must be protown" when crosskills are completely possible.

Devo was doomed, but she is protown for a bajillion reasons completely unrelated to being targeted by scum.


So yeah, FoS counts are definitely the way to go here.

[MehPlusRawr]

Glork, you missed me saying I'd be happy with an Anti lynch (I didn't FoS in case it upped the Doom counter, I'd rather play it on the safe side this time round all things considered. Now we know it doesn't, I'll add it here)

FoS: Anti

and Meh, mind actually saying WHY my post from this day phase (the whole one of them so far) was scummy? If you're going to make comments, back them up.

All you've done is setup speculate. That doesn't change my scumread of you.

[Kdub]

dramonic:
It was hardly a dead wagon, Anti had 5 votes on him at the time you switched to Iec. Regardless, I would like to see Anti flip before I decide on you.

I've never played in a game with a thief before (let alone two of them). Does it function like a role cop, or more like a roleblocker?