Mini 954 ~ Mafia at the 11th Hour (Game Over!)


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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 5:18 am

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Percy wrote:Not an alignment tell ≠ towntell. How could a nulltell give you doubts? What do you think about the rest of his play?
I haven't been able to read him, so I have a nulltell and a neutral read on him without looking at Nik. And I don't think you have made a case for him outside what I call a nulltell.
Jahudo 497 wrote:Again you dismiss the case based on WIFOM. This verges on "2scum4scum".
I'm not sure what that second part means, but maybe that's accurate. Tony looked scummy, and there are clear doubts about why SOG didn't elaborate on the Nik wagon beyond a simple "I'm not feeling it".

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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 5:19 am

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Quote tag fail on my part...

hammer please.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 5:39 am

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@sog- I'm not following you at all. You claimed that Pom is one of your top 3 suspects. I wanted to hear your case. That's all. I don't know what all of the argumentative flailing is about. If I were in your shoes {Town on the chopping block with a serious suspicion of a player currently flying under the radar}, I'd sure as hell want to get my case out.

You know what, I'm no longer interested.
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 7:37 am

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...maybe I'll get another 11th power!

(probably not)
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 11:41 am

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Sorry for the absence.

I'm horrified. The Cobalt lynch is great. go.
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 12:56 pm

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Deadline is probably in 3 hours. I'm around to talk.

SOG, do you have anything else to say? Why did you pick Percy again?
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 1:12 pm

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Deadline is actually in one hour from that post.
I'll grant a one-hour extension, so you have 105 minutes.
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 1:32 pm

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Just woke up.

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Better than a Cobalt lynch imo.

Where was DDD?

Blergh.
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 1:38 pm

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Hopefully Cobalt will be replaced tonight.

DDD: Is everything good?
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sat May 08, 2010 2:01 pm

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Vote Count XXIX:
- The Decisive Solution
semioldguy (LYNCH) ~ Jahudo,
Percy

Cobalt (L-2) ~
Jahudo

Minimum (L-2)


Not Voting:
Debonair Danny DiPietro, d3x, dramonic,
Percy,
Pomegranate, Porkens, Cobalt, semioldguy, VP Baltar


-Cobalt will be replaced overnight. Please hold...


Battery Power: (0%)


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--- Lynched Day 2...


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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sun May 09, 2010 11:28 am

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-Herodotus replaces Cobalt.
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 3:33 pm

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--- Debonair Danny DiPietro ---
Cyan Garamonde (from Final Fantasy VI), Town
--- Buried Night 2...


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Vote Count XXX:
- Into the Tunnel

Minimum (L-5)


Not Voting:
d3x, dramonic, Jahudo, Percy, Pomegranate, Porkens, Herodotus, VP Baltar

-It is now Day 3! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.


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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 3:36 pm

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Cyan is a good character.
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Percy and Cobolt for scum all the way in my book.

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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 3:40 pm

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Percy wrote:Definitely NZ. If you want to make an Australian really angry, ask them if they want "another shrimp on the barbie".
(No-one in Australia says "shrimp". We say "prawn". The line was changed because they knew no-one in the US would know what a "prawn" was. We're still pretty raw about it.)
Shrimp and Prawn are'nt the same thing, so the terms really ought not to be interchanged, FWIW.
Well, pointing that out is the only reason I wanted to replace into this game. @Mod: You can replace me now...
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 3:46 pm

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Nah, cancel that request.
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@Percy and Porkens, have the two of you ever played in a game together before?


I was following along with the game during day 1 with the idea of replacing at the time, so I had some thoughts from before the day 1 lynch:
Dramonic looks scummy for his active lurking.
Dramonic being scum suggests that Nikanor is town.
DDD is right to derail the Nik wagon, but why not lynch Dramonic?
Given Nikanor's flip, I'm feeling much less certain about my scumread on Dramonic. My read on him is confused, but he's more likely town than scum.


People seem really focused on L-1. The rules don't imply that being at L-1 is necessarily the trigger for the "one last shot" abilities, regardless of the one sample role PM. While it may be a good idea to pause a lynch wagon when it reaches L-1, I see no reason to wagon someone just because it could potentially give them an ability.


I don't think I've ever seen Porkens as scum before. His willingness to accept almost any day 1 lynch and his interest in 'handing out abilities' are not scumtells for him, as he has played that way as town. But I also have the feeling that he was playing to his meta and milking it on day one -- the only serious stance I can recall his making was on Dramonic. Also, his early posts directed at dramonic, then pomegranate, remind me of Rhinox (who was scum) throwing mud at Porkens and me during Mafia Reverberation.

Porkens 46 - votes Dramonic for saying Percy might not realize the game had begun
Porkens 51 - it's weird to ask why Dramonic didn't defend Tony in the same way as Percy when no one was attacking Tony. Dramonic was clearly responding to Seraphim's 'die lurker die' comment, so defending only Percy as opposed to both of them was clearly reasonable.
Pomegranate 53 - buys into Porkens's idea, and I don't understand why.
Jahudo 58 - is a good summary of the above.

Porkens 129 - a major shift from "give Tony a power by putting him at L-1" to "hang him so he gets ghost powers"

As d3x pointed out in post 135, Porkens was also dodging questions, which I don't recall ever seeing him do before.


Porkens, is Dramonic scum?


Jahudo said Porkens would be easier to read from day 2. Jahudo, what is your read on him?


Pom needs to post more.
Pomegranate wrote:But let's say that I don't like it when people think that I am scum.
I don't think you're going to like me in this game. You've been hiding in the background, and no one (other than SOG) has called you out for it. Your reactions to other peoples' discussions of SOG, Jahudo, VP, and Cobalt on day 2 looks like following the crowd.


I could see the VP/Jahudo argument D2 as possibly town-town due to the nature of their back and forth posts.
They each argue that the other gave some indications of not lynching Nik D1, and they're right in that regard. But they both argued for lynching him and voted him when they had other options.


DDD, you've managed to be off the scum-lynch and on the town-near-lynch without giving me scum vibes. You've been focused on Tony/SOG since about page 1. Now that the Tony/SOG playerslot is gone, who is scum?


I can't tell from here whether Percy's late D1 play makes him a Nikanor buddy, but Nikanor's D1 play makes Percy not look like a Nikanor buddy.


d3x looks town.
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 3:50 pm

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I forgot to
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Sorry for triple posting.
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 4:28 pm

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Herodotus wrote:Shrimp and Prawn are'nt the same thing, so the terms really ought not to be interchanged, FWIW.
Thank you. I am obscenely excited that someone else knows this.
Herodotus 514 wrote:@Percy and Porkens, have the two of you ever played in a game together before?
Tangentially. I was in of the MtG Parallel Universe mafia, and Porkens was in . I was NKed N1 as well. My experience with Porkens is very limited.
Herodotus 514 wrote:DDD, you've managed to be off the scum-lynch and on the town-near-lynch without giving me scum vibes. You've been focused on Tony/SOG since about page 1. Now that the Tony/SOG playerslot is gone, who is scum?
DDD is dead...

I like the Porkens wagon.
Vote: Porkens
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My number two at the moment is Jahudo. Also, if Porkens is lynched and flips scum, I find a Jahudo-Porkens team more than plausible.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 4:47 pm

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Hero's catchup post looks kinda like a stream of consciousness from day 1 on. Though it is odd he missed the DDD flip.

Porkens day 2 play was mostly about getting SOG lynched until he didn't have a say in it any longer and wanted Cobalt lynched. I don't understand how Porkens, and maybe Pom too, thought SOG's talking about his power was town. Maybe its a weird opinion because I can't see it the same way, or maybe it was fake.

I'm not on VPB's case. And d3x, dramonic and Pom still look cool for their involvement in lynching Nikanor. I think its likeliest that 2 of {Percy, Hero and Porkens} are scum, and my gut right now says Percy is town. So PoE, Hero and Porkens. But I'll make a case before I join the Awesome 3.0 Wagon on Porkens :P
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 4:59 pm

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DDD is excused from answering, despite the Hawt New Game Mechanic: Bell of Aviči ~ Infinite Nightmare.
I wrote that post during the night. Then after my first post, I wanted to make sure Vi didn't really start looking for a replacement, so I didn't spend the time to edit before posting the second post.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 6:31 pm

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@Pork- Do you have cases for Percy or Cobalt/Hero? What are your thoughts about the Lurker fight early on between Nik and Percy? Why Percy over Cobalt/Hero?

@Percy- Why do you specifically like Pork for Scum?

@Jah-
Hero's catchup post looks kinda like a stream of consciousness from day 1 on.
What are you inferring with this? Do you think it's scummy? Also, you don't get to declare AwesomeWagon3.0! ;)

@Hero-
DDD is excused from answering
Meh. I still want to hear from him. Now more than ever! Lol.
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Tue May 11, 2010 7:46 pm

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Posting from phone:

My home computer has died. **howls in rage**
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I can still post from work during my lunch break, but I will be
LA
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 1:16 am

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I hope dramonic and Pom are more involved today.
d3x wrote:@Jah-
Hero's catchup post looks kinda like a stream of consciousness from day 1 on.
What are you inferring with this? Do you think it's scummy? Also, you don't get to declare AwesomeWagon3.0! ;)
Only that it could explain why he asked DDD a question, because he also switched opinion on dramonic in the same paragraph. That meant he was probably writing that post as he was reading day 1 and 2 while waiting for the game to open, without proofing it. I'm not putting an alignment tell to it.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 12:00 pm

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Ok, this game is next on my catch up list after I eat some food. Initial thoughts, it's good to see something out of Hero's slot finally. I still say lurking is scumtell for Cobalt, but at least there is something to actually assess there now. I still like Porkens for scum, but I see you guys are ahead of me on that so I probably need to look closer at it.

Jahudo and now Percy have entered the the realm of what the frak is my read and is it correct?

I still think d3x and dram are town.

Pom was blatantly coasting yesterday and I'd like to see some real effort today.


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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 1:55 pm

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The two people on my scum list are voting for me, huh. Killing the guy who GAVE AWAY his power and USED it in a protown way was the dumbest thing to do. Percy pushed it because cobalt was the OBVIOUS lynch. Herod makes MEGACASE 4.0, obviously replacing in scum.

I don't care two shits abou tany lurker fight.

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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Wed May 12, 2010 2:01 pm

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I will get back here soon (tonight or
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