Ok to start off, Jackalope is getting a bad rap that he doesn't necessarily deserve, due to the voting-himself and also due to Deer's 'attack' against him for appearing too town. I have already explained that I think Jackalope's goodposting is in fact just that, and my vote on Jack was to see who else voted on him.
chrono voted on Jackalope too, parroting the reasoning that I parroted from Deer. crypto (and xReckx apparently) seems after that to think chrono is town, but the whole chronopie-claim thing is old hat and obviously doesn't apply here. Get with it, guys.
I still haven't checked chrono off my scumlist.
easjo682's
is almost pure IIoA, with a few opinions thrown in, but precious little actual scumhunting.
sucrose's points in 315 about xRx are good, and I doubt that xRx is any kind of SK role due to WIFOM/probability/insert-other-logical-fallacies-here. perhaps a werewolf or some other kind of scum (if there are any other kinds), but probably not SK.
Nightson wrote:I got up out of bed to post this because I finally hit on why Chrono's claim seemed so scummy to me.
Chrono was by his implication thinking that Crypto was either joking or a day-killing serial killer.
In neither scenario is claiming justified from a townie, I mean if he had thought crypto was a day killing vig it would have been a lot less scummy. It was either a panicked town reaction, panicked scum reaction or a calculated scum move and it just doesn't read like panicked town.
And later on, since I guess I'm building a case at this point, he said
When I flip, take a good hard look at this cat
which is one of those omgus things scum tend to say so much more often then town.
You definitely sound like you're reading too much into things. If I'm not mistaken, that was just a joke carried over from the RVS that went too far and is still being beaten like a dead horse. You sir, are prickling my scumdar; that is to say, thou dost appeareth rather scummy.
And you get absolutely no brownie points for getting out of bed just to post that. AtE fail.
Lowell wrote:He self-votes, brings up jesters, then tries to trivialize both after being called on it? Something about jack makes people think he's town? Really?
This post reeks like scum trying to take advantage of a discussion that is already happening (relevant, or not), and tweaking it just enough to get people to want to vote for someone who is not scum, hoping for a mislynch or at least a mass amount of misdirection and distraction, all without coming into the open enough to steal any of the spotlight.
xRECKONERx wrote:Kise is teh smurtz.
Seriously though. I need to do moar analysis buuuut I just got God of War III so lol that
Seriously though. You need to do moar fluff. Serious ReaperCharlie is serious.
Merkabah wrote:Chrono wrote:@Merk: I claimed my role after, what I now see to be, a Fake Day-kill post from Crypto, Who had just commented that there was some truth to Reck's SK claim.
Which was also the source what the semi-joke/semi-panic post of 'What? you're actually a Day-killing SK?'
Well, actually you claimed after we voted for you. In that same post you said you didn't know "wtf" Crypto was talking about.
Now, Amished and I were discussing tonight whether or not you as a townie would actually claim your role if you really thought crypto shot you. The first thing that is a real issue here is that crypto never actually said in thread he was going to daykill you. He weakly implied it, but never said it. So, that being the case and you thinking he's Daykill-SK (as you did), why would your immediate reaction be to claim? Wouldn't the more relevant choice be to push his lynch as a scum player?
But let's look beyond that for second. The question is if claiming would be a town reaction in that situation. Merkabah doesn't think so. We think that he would be much more likely to argue how obviously townie he is and push cryptoscum lynch. In iso 3, Chrono implies belief in Reck being a day-vig, so he really has no reason to think crypto is a town vig who offed him at that point. The point is that him claiming just doesn't make sense as a townie reaction there.
To add further confusion to the matter, the next serious thing Chrono does is OMGUS us when we push his lynch. This is opposed to lynching someone he thought was a Daykilling SK or at the very least was attempting to trick him. None of this is a townie mentality.
This is goodposting.
And I would say I agree with Merk on this one, except for the fact that it's an easy newbie error to make. Perhaps Chronopie's past games have led him to believe that claiming was the only option; or at least that it was the better one. I mean, come on. How often does a guy at L-1 have enough town points to put someone else on the chopping block instead of himself? It's not that likely.
Merkabah wrote:crypto wrote:If Chrono is scum then why does he go out of his way to claim VT as opposed to a power role, let alone after he seems to think he is dead?
Because he didn't have access to a powerrole PM. Additionally, I contest that he didn't even think he was dead. He just wanted to get attention off of him.
Claiming VT is a great way of decreasing attention on yourself. If I were scum, I would only claim a PR if I was in imminent danger of death and the only way I would be able to get people off my back was to let them know I was their last hope to win. Otherwise, I would almost invariably claim VT like Chrono did, because otherwise he'd have to prove his role or be lynched (among other reasons).
SpyreX wrote:Fate is probably town.
Why, Spyrex?
inHimshallIbe, this question is also directed at you.
crypto wrote:Sucrose wrote:Only a stupid, stupid scum would actually think he could get a lynch out of an RVS wagon, though.
I'm vaguely insulted.
SpyreX wrote:@Merk:
Chrono is a very visceral call. Its just the way everything adds together leaning far on the side of "Town making a set of odd moves" versus "Scum pretending to make a set of odd moves".
That's a very interesting way to look at it. I didn't think of it like that before. If Chronopie is scum and is doing that, bravo to him for making you think that. But you and Merk are both giving Chronopie a little too much credit. He doesn't appear to exhibit that kind of sophisticated outguessing (insert WIFOM here).
ZazieR wrote:Players that are on my lynch-list:
Deer
Deer? Why? I have a town read on him.
ZazieR wrote:Lesser:
And possibly Reaper
Me? Why me? Any reason in particular, or just a vague gut feeling because of my semi(?)-serious fake(?)-claim.
The robot in me thinks you're trying to help out and foster discussion, but the human in me distrusts you and thinks you're just trying to make a list like everyone else is so that we will think you're more town. In English: IGMEOY
@ Kise's anger and subsequent sheepishness about Goat's misrep: LOL
xRECKONERx wrote:Lowell wrote:Someone remind me why anyone cares about Goat.
Lowell, stop being fucking lazy.
Ummm...
But yeah, you too, Lowell.
Sucrose wrote:easjo682 wrote:
so if I get this right, you thought reck was joking when the SK comment appeared, then some people started taking it seriously, reck told them it was a joke so now you think reck is lying?
correct me if I'm wrong.
Let me clarify, I'm a fairly inexperienced player, Reck isn't. I initially thought it was just a joke, but so many people jumped on it that I think it's obvious Reck knew how people were going to react and wanted people to react.
The whole thing was obviously a gambit.
OR; it's just the way Reck plays. Which I don't like too much either. This doesn't necessarily mean he's scum.
But don't rule out the gambit
I've seen him make some decent ones (not good, but decent).
Sucrose wrote:Kise wrote:Also, crypto, just so you know: That Chrono trick doesn't work any more. It was done in another game, and attempted in an ongoing game I'm in with Chrono, but even here I wouldn't think it still works... Chrono knows not to freak out as scum if he thinks he's dead. Better yet, Fate of all players should know this best.
If Chrono knows not to freak out as scum, why did he freak out as town? I can't quite wrap my head around why Chrono claimed if he thought he was about to die and flip.
This. No weight can be placed on chrono's claim, because that trick has been tried on him before and he (as either scum or town) would have been coached (or more likely figured out himself) how to respond to that sort of thing in the future. Just like Jackalope's self-vote and super-townie behavior, and Goat's supposed 'misrep' of Kise, people are putting way too much weight on this. These things have been beaten to death by now. Start searching elsewhere, beginning with things like this:
JackALope2323 wrote:@ Raj: My vote was only in RVS. I.E. Where votes don't mean anything.
xRx's asshattery extended well past the RVS.
That is an alley worth pursuing imo. Nobody has said much about Reck other than that he is trying his darnedest to fluff his way through Day 1.
Merkabah wrote:@inHim: I don't ignore much of anything. If there's "suspicion" towards me, I want to know why so that I can argue against it. If there's a bad reason, then it falls back on you (thereby limiting scum that attack me); but if there's a good reason, then town can show their own logic (which scum have a hard time fabricating). Therefore: what did you see that was "scummy" about me/us?
More goodposting. I was put off a little by Merk in the beginning but I am beginning to come around to them.
JackALope2323 wrote:[Chrono's] spamming prevents us from scumhunting. All it does is confuse the town. His ambiguous statements about whether he and xRx are SK buddies or whatever the hell he was talking about for the first ten pages confuses the town. When the town is confused, we cannot scumhunt effectively.
Understandable?
Though I agree with you on this, I would also like to point out that expecting nobody to 'spam' is pretty much a lost cause in a large game. Especially when you have players like Crypto and Reck. Chrono should be the least of your worries imo. Don't cross him off your list yet obviously, but don't tie up discussion with multiple posts about him. Thanks.
inHimshallIbe's
is goodposting as well.
I agree with you about Nightson and Dry-fit, but I would like to ask you to clarify why you think Merk is scum? Did you feel like he is trying to misrep others?
SpyreX wrote:The only way Fate is scum is if at least one of team "Fate is scum, no vote" is.
So are you saying that none of them are?
SpyreX wrote:...I'm tentatively happy with inHim.
You're happy an inHimlynch? Or you're happy with what he's saying, and you think he's town?
Dry-fit wrote:Chronopie wrote:The scum hunting is always scum hunting, even if I do aim to miss sometimes.
What scumhunting? You're last three posts have been explaining your claim and meta. There wasn't a whole lot of scumhunting before that either. You're really skating by.
I don't have a good feeling about this latest string of Jack voters.
QFT on both points. My thoughts exactly about the Jack voters.
Lowell wrote:I don't like that shattered needs so much justification to join the jack-wagon, unless he knows something is up.
Dont' see the case on deer.
Your continued lack of posting actual content is noted.
...and WTF is this SpyreX/Crypto/Fate alliance?? But I agree with merk about wanting to follow it even if I'm not 'in' it, cause it'll likely help me win
animorpherv1 wrote:SpyreX wrote:OHHHH I see. This happens a lot. You just misspelled dramonic.
Just try it again. It'll work better I promise.
I don't get it.
LMAO at this exchange. *facepalm*
Reading the final few pages of the post up until now has made me more suspicious of crypto. Thanks in part to Sucrose's
and a few other things.
Reading
makes me believe even moreso that Jack is town.
Yes, I realize that I've left dramonic and TheGoat out of this post. I will come back and talk about them later. Someone remind me.
As for me, here are my reads:
I'm leaning town on Deer, Jackalope, Dry-fit, Merk, and SpyreX.
xRx is just a fluffer at this point. Moar reel stuf plz
I have scum reads on Nightson, Fate and Lowell. Shattered Viewpoint seems more town after post 523 but he's still on my list.
All of that said though, I'm still gonna lay down the OMGUS vote on Nightson though, for being a jerk reporting my happy scumday PM to the mod. IN ADDITION to reasons everyone else has provided.
Vote: Nightson
But I would be fine with a lynch on Fate, xRx, Lowell, or lukepukeduke too. I haven't written off Shattered Viewpoint either.
Also, @inHim: here is your chance. Now that you've got my vote, go ahead and post more of a case on Nightson, and I'll see if it's legit.
@ SpyreX: Who do you think is likely to be scum, but who is unlikely to be lynched today?
