Percy (L-4) ~ Porkens
Pomegranate (L-4) ~ VP Baltar
Battery Power:
huh?Porkens wrote:why arent you yelling at percy or juhado then?Herodotus wrote:I don't think it's realistic that scum-SOG who did not have the power he described would claim that he did have that power.
d3x, what do you think of Porkens? Pom, have you reread him?
Really? Why not? What are the downsides of this?hero wrote:People seem really focused on L-1. The rules don't imply that being at L-1 is necessarily the trigger for the "one last shot" abilities, regardless of the one sample role PM. While it may be a good idea to pause a lynch wagon when it reaches L-1, I see no reason to wagon someone just because it could potentially give them an ability.
Apart from similarities to Rhinox in Mafia Reverb, was there anything that gave you a vibe Porkens was "playing to his meta"?hero wrote:he has played that way as town. But I also have the feeling that he was playing to his meta and milking it on day one
I agree. Pom, how closely do you feel you've been paying attention to this game?hero wrote:Pomegranate 53 - buys into Porkens's idea, and I don't understand why.
I agree 100% about the first two, but it isn't inconceivable that Pom bussed. Combine that with her god-awful following on Day 2 and I think you have likely scum on your hands. Why do you think Percy looks worse than her?Jahudo wrote:And d3x, dramonic and Pom still look cool for their involvement in lynching Nikanor.
I agree with this portion and I think it's one of the stronger points against Porkens. I don't mind him leaving at that time if he had a legitimate reason (we did still have time left to push another lynch), but his reasoning is pretty unconvincing overall and I don't see him really pushing the Cobalt lynch.Percy wrote:The only time he's jumped on a wagon that wasn't already developed was when he jumped off the Nikanor wagon when Nikanor was at L-1 and voted for Seraphim/Cobalt, who had only one vote on him at the time - Nikanor's. Sure, he jumped back on to hammer Nik, but I read the jumping off as a last-ditch attempt to save his scumbuddy. Nikanor/Porkens makes a bucketload more sense than Nikanor/Cobalt.
You were on the strong wagon and then got off! That's the point.Porkens wrote:Your interpretation of my votes is, sorry, wrong. You see a pattern where there is none, save that yes I would have voted for any strong wagon on day 1.
So if he hadn't voted you, you wouldn't have found him scummy?Pom wrote:I had asked Cobalt to explain his vote on me, and he never responded. I found him scummy from that point on.
No, but asking a question like this that blatantly misses the point is. My point is that you only seem to find people scummy after they are already the popular wagon of the day. This is pretty classic scum behavior. Additionally, your reasons for finding people scummy seem to be 'well, he found me scummy first.' I have a hard time buying that that's the best you can do.Pom wrote:Is there a problem with finding two people scummy simultaneously?
Stop the exaggeration ambulance. I want to get off! Here is your explanation of the Nikanor vote...which is entirely based off of what others have already said as far as I can see. Feel free to point out how you 'built a lot on other people's points', because I'm not seeing it.Pom wrote:It's also not like I didn't make my own points (or build a lot on other people's points) against Nikanor.
Which doesn't show the kind of conviction toward the wagon that you seem to be implying you had.pom iso 16 wrote:Also, I guess I understand your method of scumhunting, but I really can't say that I agree with it.
Guess that never happened.Pom wrote:I think that this lynch is good, and will also help focus me for tomorrow...
VP Baltar 558 wrote:You were on the strong wagon and then got off! That's the point.
Hmmm. I agree that the Hero/Cobalt/Sera slot is town, and I came to that conclusion before the DDD and Tony/SOG flips. I think Jahudo's reasoning makes the read more solid. My read on Jahudo is becoming more murky.Jahudo 545 wrote:Hero (Cobalt/Sera) is downgraded as a suspect now that we know DDD and Tony are both town.
I don't know... I feel like I've fallen almost hopelessly behind. I already once started writing a PM to Vi to request replacement, but I felt bad, and stopped. But I think that for the sake of the rest of the game, I ought to, at this point.VP Baltar wrote:Pom, how closely do you feel you've been paying attention to this game?
I think he's saying something along the lines of "if SOG was scum, he could still have explained it like this":Herodotus wrote:I don't think it's realistic that scum-SOG who did not have the power he described would claim that he did have that power.
And scum SOG could have been lying about the bolded part.I can wipe the vote clean. At such a time that I do this, I will get to choose one person in the game and his vote will be the only vote to count for the day, essentially allowing that player to choose who the lynch is on his own.
The subtext of my ability includes that if I were to have known partners I would not be able to select any of them with my ability.
1. Null tellPorkens wrote:I hate day 1.
I like to wagon-jump.
I hammered scum.
I didn't (ultimately) support lynch of town.
Seraphim/Cobalt in post 264. Maybe about 48 hours until deadline, and you had said we needed a lynch.Porkens wrote:Who did Nikanor vote for? I forget. I like to wagon hop.
My god, what incredibly TOWN play you've got there!Porkens wrote:MY l-1 power is a SECRET
There are a lot of little ones.VP Baltar wrote:Really? Why not? What are the downsides of this?hero wrote:People seem really focused on L-1. The rules don't imply that being at L-1 is necessarily the trigger for the "one last shot" abilities, regardless of the one sample role PM. While it may be a good idea to pause a lynch wagon when it reaches L-1, I see no reason to wagon someone just because it could potentially give them an ability.
Porkens's day 1 play looks soft. He was neutering his votes and not trying to build wagons or scumhunt. I expect him to join wagons liberally, but I also expect town-Porkens to comment on his lynch preferences much more than he did on day 1 in this game. Here, it feels like he substituted "I'd lynch anyone" for "I think these people are scum." As I said, the only serious stance I get from him is the scumread on Dramonic, which he dropped without explanation.VP Baltar wrote:Apart from similarities to Rhinox in Mafia Reverb, was there anything that gave you a vibe Porkens was "playing to his meta"?hero wrote:he has played that way as town. But I also have the feeling that he was playing to his meta and milking it on day one
I do not remember.Jahudo wrote:What about Seraphim replacing out caused you to find his previous play scummy for the first time (ignore/feign ignorance/promise re-read)? You came up with that quick after he replaced out, so were you thinking about it earlier than that?
...really?dramonic wrote:My god, what incredibly TOWN play you've got there!Porkens wrote:MY l-1 power is a SECRET
Porkens wrote:
I hate day 1.
I like to wagon-jump.
I hammered scum.
I didn't (ultimately) support lynch of town.
1. Null tell
2. Null tell
3. Could be bussing
4. You didn't explain why SOG's action was pro-town and I still don't agree it was pro-town. Because I think he would have eventually used his power to help save himself as scum. The idea that it wouldn't help him could've been a nice touch if he thought the power he had wouldn't save him.