Open 216 - Generic Reality Television Mafia! Day 2!

[imaginality]

No, I see SV as scummier than XS, and over a longer period. I don't have many issues with XS's play earlier in the day, it's post 89 onwards that read worse to me, whereas SV set off alarm bells with his votes earlier, and his reaction to the wagon on him now.

I also think we (at least I) learn more from an SV flip regarding reads on other players.

[Miyu]

Chronopie. Even with their 'pointless bantering', I'm sure they have still contributed more than half the player list... which includes you. xD

Kunkstar. My top suspect would be between Chronopie and SV. Chnorek is up there as well as Mavs and Deer. Obviously they can not all be scum - however with so many lurkers and inactives, it is hard to tell who is truly being scummy, and who is simply not paying attention enough.

Imaginality. Did you ever clarify why you voted for SV? I'm pretty sure I asked you, and I highly doubt you responded. Why Scorpion over Chnorek, and reiteration of what Ythan asked. How is that in comparison to your current vote on SV?

[imaginality]

My reasons for voting SV at the time were in the posts where I voted him.

Two lazy hops onto easy wagons smells of a mafioso glad to see weak townies do something they can vote them for.

How is your vote on chnorek helping to find the scum? How does it help prove you're town?

Since then you can also colour me unimpressed with his reaction to the wagon on him. Eg. iso 17 focusing on the possible buddy links rather than the main points against him, the "I was gonna vote chnorek to prove I'm town" in iso 20-22, and the craplogic in iso 24 ("Yes, I know, all *I'm* doing is defending myself, too, but the difference here is that I *know* I'm town. I'm reasonably sure chnorek is scum.")

Reason why I don't think chnorek is such a good lynch is partly gut, but backed up with things like iso29 and iso32 (in which he doesn't take the easy option of saying "lynch SV instead of me.") He struggles to express himself at times, I think, but I don't get a strong sense of a hidden agenda behind his words.

[nopointinactingup]

It's not good that neither Chronek or SV has been posting lately. I want to ask them sm questions:

@Chronek:
- Your stated your suspects are XS, Mavfans, Ksen/peanut. But are you not giving much reasons for your suspicion?
- What do you think of SV?

@SV:
- What were your conjecture on Ythan's "abnormal" behavior?
- Are you voting for Chronek because you genuinely thinks he's scum or only to "prove he's not your scumbuddy"?

[Ythan]

Regarding my behavior, he makes claims about my meta that are patently untrue and that anyone who's played with me before should see as boldfaced lies.

[Ythan]

Not to mention that he isn't even one of the people on this site who has played with me before, fyi.

[ConfidAnon]

Day 1, Vote Count 15 (unchanged):

4 Chnorek (Deer, Shattered Viewpoint, kunkstar7, Chronopie)

4 Shattered Viewpoint (mavsfan41, Ythan, imaginality, XScorpion)
1 XScorpion (chnorek)
1 peanutman (Miyu)

NOTE: Chnorek remains red because he achieved four votes before Shattered Viewpoint.

Not Voting: nopointinactingup, peanutman

With 12 alive, it takes

7 to lynch!

Day 1 Deadline: May 20 5:30 PM CST.

[Miyu]

Imaginality. How are two questions that you asked SV... reasons for voting him?

Psht. Nopoint, get in line bro. He needs to answer my questions first! xD
Are you going to address the question that Kunkstar asked you?

[Ythan]

I find it odd that Scorpion, the player who should be familiar with my style, has no comment on SV's meta argument.

[XScorpion]

Your reading comprehension skills astound, as always.

Still waiting for the link to the game where Ythan is "less aggressive..."

[Ythan]

Or you bitch first and look for an explanation later if at all. How about a simple explanation, hm? Something that won't throw you off too bad? Like the fact that you leeched that off of another player (me) like all of your other pointless questions long after it had original been asked?

[imaginality]

Those questions were fairly clearly imply I have a certain point of view about the answers. The fact I voted him in that same post makes that obvious.

If you're unconvinced about how a question can be an adequate justification for a vote, another example of such a question would be a town tracker asking someone: "Severus, why did I see you visit the night-kill victim Albus last night? Vote Severus."

They're not merely rhetorical questions, because if he had come up with some compelling answer to my questions, I'd have unvoted. Instead though, he backed down and shifted tack with an "okay, my reason for voting chnorek was dumb, but um, now I look at him, hey he's scummy anyway" post (iso 24).

[XScorpion]

I must really push your buttons, huh Ythan? XD

[Ythan]

Or you're a bad player who allows your pointless criticisms to drop off the instantly they are easily dismissed. One who posts fluff instead. Because your accusations are throw-away nothing.

[XScorpion]

I'll take that as a yes

[Miyu]

imaginality. A question implies that you are asking clarification on something. Hence, why it is called a question. If it implied your stance on something, a statement which did not end in a question mark would be more suitable.

Essentially, the answers to those questions had no barring on your vote for him. Yes you can say that now.. that you would've unvoted him had he given compelling answers. However it is all post that time, so why not merely say or mention that then?

[Ythan]

Happy birthday Miyu. Happy bottom of your Mafia career Scorpion.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Nice to see you decided to contribute again SV.

SV. Why are you reasonably sure that Chnorek is scum?
Why are you justifying your vote with reasons post your vote?
How are you scumhunting? By avoiding posting in the thread?
If you thinks mavs is newbie scum, then why are you still voting for Chnorek?

Would that not make.. Chnorek, mavs, and Ythan - in your opinion, the scum team? So how is Chnorek scummier than mavs?

Applying Pressure was/is your reason for vote hopping SV? SEems awfully like that reason has come post your actions.

Quoted for you benefit... again SV.

I will play along, for no other reason than to show everyone that I'm really not hiding anything. Even though you are asking the same questions, just phrased differently to appear that you're

doing something.

One at a time:

Why are you reasonably sure that Chnorek is scum?

I am reasonably sure that chnorek is scum because he is not actively DOING ANYTHING. I mean, FFS, even

Ythan

said chnorek is just "playing town." AT one point, chnorek voted XScorp and said "I don't have to give my reasons."

Then, when asked to defend himself, chnorek says, "What do I have to defend myself against?" (iso 26) The guy is clueless. In his iso 27, he has a great AtE. Finally, in his iso 29, he says he can "start" scumhunting now, in the "current gamestate." WTF does that even mean? He couldn't scumhunt prior? The mind, it boggles. Also, iso 29, he has reasoning but will keep it to himself. Not good, under any circumstance. Mafia is a game of teamwork and communication. Iso 32, again with the XScorp accusation with no reason behind it (potential distancing). Iso 34, refuses to talk to XScorp any further. Great communication.

Why are you justifying your vote with reasons post your vote?

I honestly don't understand what you're asking with this; I'm sorry.

How are you scumhunting? By avoiding posting in the thread?

I am scumhunting by analyzing players' posts, and asking questions. Much the same as you are.

If you thinks mavs is newbie scum, then why are you still voting for Chnorek?


Would that not make.. Chnorek, mavs, and Ythan - in your opinion, the scum team? So how is Chnorek scummier than mavs?

Because I think that chnorek is scummier than mavs; also, there's more currently support for lynching chnorek over mavs. I hate ending with a no-lynch.

Applying Pressure was/is your reason for vote hopping SV? SEems awfully like that reason has come post your actions.

Pressure voting is not really out of the ordinary. Or did I misunderstand the question?

[Shattered Viewpoint]

@SV:
- What were your conjecture on Ythan's "abnormal" behavior?
- Are you voting for Chronek because you genuinely thinks he's scum or only to "prove he's not your scumbuddy"?

He's just not playing as I know town!Ythan to play. I can't provide links, sorry.

I am voting chnorek because I truly believe he is scum. He's just not putting a whole lot of effort into trying to appear town, I think.

Not to mention that he isn't even one of the people on this site who has played with me before, fyi.

We've played together before.

[mavsfan41]

I'm scum, vote me. I'm sick of this game.

[XScorpion]

SCORE

unvote
Vote: Mavs

[Chronopie]

Unvote, Vote: Mavs

Confessed scum > potential scum for lynchinz.

[chnorek]

- Your stated your suspects are XS, Mavfans, Ksen/peanut. But are you not giving much reasons for your suspicion?

those are from very beginning of the game. this has been updated couple of days ago.

- What do you think of SV?

seeing mavs scum and XScorp on his wagon he seems very likely town.

I'm scum, vote me. I'm sick of this game.

if you really are then congratulations on destroying the game. Do we restart or continue?

unvote; vote: mavsfan

[chnorek]

or maybe mavs is not scum but just sick of this game... either way i see no better option for today lynch. his flip is essential for tommorow.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

See? I TOLD YOU GUYS.

unvote

Vote: mavsfan