Mini 971: Princess bride - They all lived .......

[Jack]

It's kind of a shame sens flipped SK instead of mafia.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Definitely. Then we'd have something to go on.

Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

I often ask people to join me in bandwagonning early on in the game. There's no longer a Paramawagon and I see no particular reason to recreate one.

[animorpherv1]

Bah, go town. Also, I was actually Pro-Town this time FTW!

[Parama]

Parama, would you nightkill ani as scum?

As prone to random acts of anti-towniness, I'd certainly keep him alive for a while.

But this is a silly question. The scum here is obvious.

vote: ekiM

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[curiouskarmadog]

Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

I often ask people to join me in bandwagonning early on in the game. There's no longer a Paramawagon and I see no particular reason to recreate one.

I find this an interesting statement....you see no particular reason to pressure Para?..at all? Huh... Seems pretty early to make such a statement. why is wolf worth a wagon? and do you often ask people to join you bandwagonning early as scum or is this just a town trait??

[wolframnhart]

Ckd seems town.

Parama, would you nightkill ani as scum?

Let's

vote: wolframnhart

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And this vote came from what now? Hell saying "Let's vote:" is like you picked someone at random.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

I often ask people to join me in bandwagonning early on in the game. There's no longer a Paramawagon and I see no particular reason to recreate one.

I find this an interesting statement....you see no particular reason to pressure Para?..at all? Huh... Seems pretty early to make such a statement. why is wolf worth a wagon? and do you often ask people to join you bandwagonning early as scum or is this just a town trait??

I think you're misinterpreting me; I don't think Parama is innocent, I just don't think he stands out. I see no reason to wagon Parama over wolf. And I ask both as town and as scum (I do it as scum because I know I do it as town).

@wolf, that's exactly what I was implying.

[curiouskarmadog]

Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

I often ask people to join me in bandwagonning early on in the game. There's no longer a Paramawagon and I see no particular reason to recreate one.

I find this an interesting statement....you see no particular reason to pressure Para?..at all? Huh... Seems pretty early to make such a statement. why is wolf worth a wagon? and do you often ask people to join you bandwagonning early as scum or is this just a town trait??

I think you're misinterpreting me; I don't think Parama is innocent, I just don't think he stands out. I see no reason to wagon Parama over wolf. And I ask both as town and as scum (I do it as scum because I know I do it as town).

Well, you just said I was town, now I am misrepresenting you? You could have said "misunderstanding", but you jump right to "misrepresenting". Again, interesting. Am I scummy now?

Actually how am I misrepresenting you? When someone says "I see no particular reason to wagon" someone, that usually means they dont think someone is scummy. please help me understand your statement without attacking my questions. Exactly why do you think that Para is "not innocent"? I would like your stance on Para (without a reference to wolf in it).

[curiouskarmadog]

also please explain your case on wolf...obviously you "think there is a particular reason" to wagon him..why?

[Parama]

Is there a good reason for asking a stance on me?

[farside22]

Vizzini: Jump in after her!
Inigo Montoya: I don't swim
Fezzik: I only dog paddle.
Vizzini: AGGHH!

Vote count:

bv310 (1) ekiM
wolframhart (1) Steam Powered Shovel
DDD (1) Jack
ekiM (1) Parama

Not voting:

curiouskarmadog
wolframnhart
Kmd4390
bv310
MacavityLock
Debonair Danny DiPietro

with 10 alive it will take 6 to lynch
Deadline is June 7, 8:40am

[MacavityLock]

The following people need to post content like now: bv, wolf, DDD.

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Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

I often ask people to join me in bandwagonning early on in the game. There's no longer a Paramawagon and I see no particular reason to recreate one.

I was totally going to ask ekiM's question first, and I don't believe it's satisfactorily answered yet. Why ask wnh specifically for the follow?

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reaching for reasons to hold onto an RVS vote ofc

Weak. Why would scum have incentive to hold onto a random vote?

Still an open question.

The scum here is obvious.

vote: ekiM

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Make a case that doesn't involve "holding onto a random vote".

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Why did

vote for bv310 over the guy who is seemingly his top suspect?

Fascinating, captain.

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Jack, you're playing a most dangerous game.

Vote: DDD

[Parama]

reaching for reasons to hold onto an RVS vote ofc

Weak. Why would scum have incentive to hold onto a random vote?

Still an open question.[/quote]
They can't find a better reason to vote so they make stuff up to hold onto the only vote they can.

The scum here is obvious.

vote: ekiM

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Make a case that doesn't involve "holding onto a random vote".[/quote]
Too bad.

[MacavityLock]

They can't find a better reason to vote so they make stuff up to hold onto the only vote they can.

Why is scum any more likely to do this than town?

[Parama]

ML, here's why my point is better than you think it is:

So, Parama. He asks people to vote him at the start so he can OMGUS. That's removing information about whom he chooses to go after. "Let's not worry about the miller claim, we should scumhunt" then... doesn't scumhunt. And spams a page arguing about meta. Fine with this vote.

1. Doesn't even consider that it was an RVS vote
2. Accuses me of not scumhunting even though I was and am scumhunting
3. Didn't spam a page - others started the argument after I brought it up, and it's an argument I've had 100 times and am tired of. Stupid reason

Look at how BS his reasons to vote me are. There's really nothing there.
And this is all the content he provides D1 (I admit, it was short, but still...)

And then in ISO 4 he calls my vote on him OMGUS even though I provided plenty of reasoning to vote him (the same reasoning I

restated

here).

[Parama]

They can't find a better reason to vote so they make stuff up to hold onto the only vote they can.

Why is scum any more likely to do this than town?

Scum need reasons to push a lynch, regardless of their quality. Their goal is to lynch townies.
And you think townies would make up fake reasons? Pssh.

[MacavityLock]

Parama, I actually have no problem with the reasons ekiM stated in terms of his vote on you. They're completely reasonable, in my opinion.

Now, you're complaining about ekiM for 2 different things: On the one hand, you're saying that holding onto a random vote is scummy because scum make up reasons to do so. On the other hand, you're saying that ekiM's case/vote on you is bad, which is why you're voting him.

Those are two very different things. The former is ridiculous: Scum have no more reason to hold onto a random vote than town does. In fact, if anything, I think a scum might be more willing to move their vote around early, picking up on whatever little new scummy thing they can find from a non-buddy. The latter reason you state is reasonable, assuming that you do find ekiM's case bad.

Still, you're trying to conflate these two very different statements, and I don't like it.

[Parama]

*headdesk*
If you agree with fail logic then I have no reason to be arguing with you, because you will just miss the point.

[Jack]

Sticking with a vote is a common scum thing. Laziness, not wanting to take risk publicly changing mind.

[curiouskarmadog]

Is there a good reason for asking a stance on me?

is there a reason you are not reading the thread?

reading my conversation with SPS, do you really not see why I am asking what I am asking?

[Parama]

It's incriminating me because of things I didn't do myself. The obvious issue there should be obvious, obviously.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Jack, any reason for the utter strangeness of your play? I mean you appeared to play very conventionally as town in Gonzo Mafia. But in this game you’ve done your best to resemble a bulldozer in a china shop.

I’ve got a town lean on Mike right now, I’m reading his efforts as being in good faith. Conversely, I think the person in opposition to him (Parama) is much more likely to be scum. I like the little content I’ve seen from KMD as well, but I’m naturally more suspicious of him because he’s capable of deluding himself into thinking other people are scum even when he’s scum himself. Most everyone else currently blends into a mush of people I’ve not played with before and don’t stand out at all.

Best place for a vote right now is…

Vote: bv310

Only thing he talks about on day one are being from Canada, donuts, and Sens ragequitting after it’s already happened. There’s just no evidence he’s trying to figure out who is town and who is scum.

[Jack]

So...

"town lean on mike" but his efforts are in good faith. I don't think scum's efforts are ever in good faith in a 1 scum game (which this now is).

Only a town lean on mike though, and parama is "much more likely to be scum".

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vote bv? Not scumhunting? Have you played with bv before?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

"town lean on mike" but his efforts are in good faith. I don't think scum's efforts are ever in good faith in a 1 scum game (which this now is).

Only a town lean on mike though, and parama is "much more likely to be scum".

Umm, I think Mike's efforts at scumhunting are in good faith; thus I think he's likely town. I'm not sure what the issue is here.

vote bv? Not scumhunting? Have you played with bv before?

Once, he actually tried that game as town before flaking, this time he hasn't even done that.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Correction, I just realized I've played two games with him; I was referencing a newbie game where I believe that summary fits. There was also Quiz Show Mafia, but that had rather different rules from a conventional mafia game.