Mini 967 - Mafia War (Over)

[Snow_Bunny]

Hrezs replaces Zodiark. Welcome to the game, Hrezs!

[Hrezs]

ok, lets get caught up

[Hrezs]

alright
first impressions

no super obvtown people(although I'm not the best at mafia)
kat strikes me as most town though

deadjoker's post(the one everyone hates)
ridiculous and scummy

amish- I don't like him. He gets mad when people suspect him but hasn't suspected anyone besides those suspecting him. Seriously?

Vote:Amish

Only because it's your first vote I'm going to count it even in the lack of an unvote. But just this time.

the me= lynch i s warranted. He hasn't posted any real content for pages but I'm sure there's scum on it(wagons of that size are almost never clean).


will do some more post by post stuff tomorrow

[Exemption]

6. Exemption

Also why would I lurk to let the heat drop? As you prove doing that hardly works does it.

It works unless someone picks up on it and plenty of times someone can lurk to let the heat drop quite successfully, that is why I try not to let it happen in the games I play in.

Good good =] letting people get out of it that easy would only be bad.

Now... to address some other things:
@Soundwish, Exemption: Considering Me=Weird is at L-2, do you want him lynched?
Do you suspect anyone else considering there isn't only one scum in the game? If yes then who and why?

Yes I would want him lynched as I believe him to be scum

I suspect Horror and pman. Horror because of the lack scum hunting and the fact that when he was asked to do something (by stef) all he did was say someone was scummy because of someone else's case and use on of the reasons they had. Pman because of the way he got on the Me=Wierd wagon with not much explanation and the fact that he keeps on defending katsuki. Doing it once or twice is OK but going as far as saying that he must be town if Me=Wierd is scum is bad especially in a game with more than one scum group.

[Empking]

Unsight: The only one else that seems seriously scummy is Pman for the reasons that have been said.

[Soundwish]

Thanks Hrezs for replacing and Mod for the deadline extension.

unvote, vote: Exemption

for post 89. Looks like an opportunistic jump on my Me=Weird vote.

[Hrezs]

Vote- Stef

Your absolutes are just so conducive to discussion.

3rd post, votes because someone is talking about mafia theory that he disagrees with, not because they're scummy sounding. In iso 3 he even says its purely because he thinks stef's decision is antitown(not scummy)

Not really sure what to make of the recent Me=Weird wagonling, I'll wait to see what he says after he comes back from V/LA-

Why are you raising the possibility that we'll come to the situation why that's possible. Sounds like you're tying to pressure a foregone conclusion.

unvote

vote- Me=Weird

This time because of me= s policy lynch post, again, he doens't say its scummy, he says that me= is implying that we're going to have to policy lynch. No thoughts from himself though, still just posting for the sake of posting.

people ask for his thoughts

...Right now I'm thinking Me=Weird... that's why I voted for him...

still didn't explain why he feels me= is scummy.

vote- Unsight

How about you do your own scumhunting?

unsight asks him to explain his his thoughts on me=
this is his retaliation. A bit over defensive yeah?

That answers my questions well enough.

unvote. vote: Amish_Charney

Wow, way not to give me a chance to respond. Yes, that was a serious vote, your little questions were silly, and served only pass the buck. Not only are you passing the buck, you're making strawmen out of relatively benign comments, strawmen seemingly threatening only to you. It's narcissistic, annoying, and supremely anti-Town. Believe me, you're number two on my list right after the PolicyLynchmaster General here.

He continues to attack unsight. Continues to call people antitown and not actually scummy. Do you not think anything is a scumtell? Antitown people exist all over the place, that doesn't make them scum. Not to mention you are acting more antitown and anybody in the game currently.

1) Random Vote
2) An attack on someone I thought was being scummily dogmatic
3) Revoting in accordance with the wishes of the Mod
4) changing votes after my probing Stef went south
5) Voting for someone who makes cases out of absolutely nothing and pings people as part of a silly little gimmick-

...I'm "avoiding" them because they're stupid points. You're the one ignoring my probing Stef, ineffectual as it was, it was still scumhunting, something that took you until very recently, after prodding, to do.

His "probing" of stef consisted of him saying stef's policy lynch post was antitown, no questions, no actual new thoughts, just parroting what other people have already posted.

his last post

Maybe I'm just not very good at this game, but I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy from people other than Unsight and Me=Weird, iand obviously Zodiark- but I'll withhold judgment until the replacement rears his head. I went through pman's posts, didn't really see anything that stood out, I don't think there's much inherently scummy about his defense of Katsuki, or much else.

Katsuki's done very little scumhunting, but I think that's more due to being on the chopping block than anything else. And I'm getting town reads from Soundwish and horrordude.

still hasn't said anything about why he feels people are scummy. He accused unsight of not scum hunting(when s/he was asking him to explain himself) and me= of promoting policy lynches. Claims he's bad at this game in his defense as well.

[Hrezs]

It seems to me that he doesn't actually want to look for scummy behavior and just have town post it in front of him so he can agree with it. Scum like to take this tactic. They sit back and lurk and wait for something to happen against a town member. When it does they jump on it. Someone asks him for ideas, he gets extremely defensive and instead votes the person. A huge way to deflect attention off himself.

Maybe in response to my post he'll accuse me of being antitown and then I'll gain a vote.

[Snow_Bunny]

-Vote Count-

Amish_Charney (2) - Unsight, Hrezs
Hrezs (0)
pman5595 (1) - deadjoker
Unsight (1) - Stef
horrordude0215 (0)
Soundwish (0)
Katsuki (2) - Empking, Me=Weird
Stef (0) -
deadjoker (0)
Me=Weird (4) - horrordude0215, Exemption, Amish_Charney, pman5595
Exemption (1) - Soundwish,
Empking (1) - Katsuki

Not voting - No one

It's seven to lynch.

Deadline is on 26 May 2010.

[Unsight]

I also suspect you, Stef. In your entire post, you mentioned AC once, and that was to tell him that he had to unvote before he voted. You didn't mention if you thought he was scummy or not. Why were you avoiding discussing this? Hell, why were you avoiding discussing the other 4 people in the game other than you?

FoS: Stef

I would also support a deadline extention

I only mentioned people who tripped my scumdar. Why would I write analysis's for people who don't? It's like saying "look, this idiot discussed half the players in the game and left out another half" while most players only discussed a couple. According to your logic you should FOS everyone, including yourself.

@Unsight: wasn't aware I had to comment your post.

Well, I shot down all your reasons for voting me and you're still voting me while taking a decidedly neutral stance on Me=Weird. It looks a lot like you're sitting on your vote until the deadline draws near planning to switch to Me=Weird at the last moment.

[Me=Weird]

Grrr... Here I was, getting ready to post a case on amish, and hrezs does it for me. Do you still want me to post it, even though with hrezs post it will seem like parroting?

[deadjoker]

Me=weird is giving a gut noobscum tell to me. Policy lynching is never a good option, and always a last resort. Him bringing it up as early as he did seems like scum looking for an easy lynch, without much info given from day 1. Also, if Me=weird is scum, katsuki is almost certainly town, as scum just wouldn't suggest a policy lynch on their scumpal. It is bad logic AND scummy. As for others: the little argument between Unsight and AC is insightful, but I cannot figure out which one is scum. I read the points of each and go "oh right, the other is scum" >.> One is most likely scum.

At least this time you have a decent reason why you think he might be scum. Although it is plausible that two scum could suspect each other superficially, I agree you have a point that a scum is unlikely to suggest a policy lynch against their buddy.

Unvote

It looks a lot like you're sitting on your vote until the deadline draws near planning to switch to Me=Weird at the last moment.

This is the second time you have mentioned this. What is the point of this comment? If I had the read you had, I would wait until if/when he switched his vote and then expose him for it. Just want to see what your intent is / benefits of making a comment like this.

@Hrezs - First, welcome to the game. After reading your ISO you seem to be pinging Amish over a playtell that is common among many players: posting two to three sentence posts, voting with little reasoning, and adding very little analysis. I'm not saying you aren't onto something, just need some more clarification that lifts Amish's playstyle as scummier above other players who are doing the same thing.

Also, you have chosen to go after Amish, but what are your thoughts on Unsight?

@Me=Weird: Considering you haven't posted much all game, any activity from you is welcome at this point.

[horrordude0215]

Sorry about inactivity, but I have a game with deadline in less than two days and I have to focus mainly on it

[Katsuki]

me=weird: Post. Being accused of parroting should not be an excuse of not posting.

[Soundwish]

Limited Access: my computer refuses to let me onto the internet. Trying to fix. (Am on a friend's computer to post this)

[Hrezs]

@Hrezs - First, welcome to the game. After reading your ISO you seem to be pinging Amish over a playtell that is common among many players: posting two to three sentence posts, voting with little reasoning, and adding very little analysis. I'm not saying you aren't onto something, just need some more clarification that lifts Amish's playstyle as scummier above other players who are doing the same thing.

Also, you have chosen to go after Amish, but what are your thoughts on Unsight?

A lot of people are just floating it feels, pmac is the most notable.
The reason I chose amish over the others is because he basically refused to give any reasoning for his suspicions and instead went on the attack. No other player in this game has been anywhere near that defensive especially when it wasn't even over a vote, it was over a simple question(to which he responded with a vote)

Unsight feels that she is the type of player that pokes at people t see how they react and she at least responds to people. A lot of what she's posted is just nulltells, I know when I play scum that I purposely put these into my playstyle instead of scumtells(I'm not that good of a player, the only way I feel someone is town is if I feel they are genuine).

[Unsight]

It looks a lot like you're sitting on your vote until the deadline draws near planning to switch to Me=Weird at the last moment.

This is the second time you have mentioned this. What is the point of this comment? If I had the read you had, I would wait until if/when he switched his vote and then expose him for it. Just want to see what your intent is / benefits of making a comment like this.

Second time? I don't believe I've called stef out on waffling prior to that post.

Anyway, you're right. I could wait until stef swaps to Me=Weird to call him on it. However, I'd rather he justify his position now. I don't want a "oh noes teh deadline... vote vote vote" coming. By the time I could call him on it, we might already be in twilight.

@Me=Weird: Considering you haven't posted much all game, any activity from you is welcome at this point.

Just an observation to note, Me=Weird has more posts than over half the players in this game (yourself included). I counted...

[Unsight]

Grrr... Here I was, getting ready to post a case on amish, and hrezs does it for me. Do you still want me to post it, even though with hrezs post it will seem like parroting?

Funny, I don't see you showing any hint of suspicion toward AC in your ISO until this post.

Go ahead and post your case.

It better be more than "That other guy with two votes and isn't me is suddenly looking pretty scummy."

[Me=Weird]

Thoughts on amish:
Reacts really strongly to just being asked about his suspicions. Weird, if nothing else.
It's only not giving him a chance to respond if it's a hammer. Which thats obviously not.
Uh, it's called balking if you attack someone just because they want you to name your other suspects.
Voting, then voting someone else, and so on is called flipping your vote.
"and obviously zodiark too" first time he's said anything about zodiark...
Thats all I've got right now, may add to it later.

[Me=Weird]

EBWOP: Forgot to add that I'll wait to vote until after he responds.

[Unsight]

EBWOP: Forgot to add that I'll wait to vote until after he responds.

Why?

How do you feel about your current vote--Katsuki?

[Katsuki]

I do not believe empking to be the most scummy at the moment. I am currently reading through. Probably should unvote though.

[Me=Weird]

EBWOP: Forgot to add that I'll wait to vote until after he responds.

Why?

How do you feel about your current vote--Katsuki?

For his reaction.

I still feel she/he is fairly likely to be scum, but that lynch almost certainly won't happen today.

[Unsight]

Well, I was actually asking Me=Weird about his vote on you but I suppose that works too...

[Unsight]

You're all freaking ninjas.