Mini 973: "Bawhston" Brawl (WHAT A WIN!)

[yabbaguy]

"I mean, officer, can't you arrest these guys?"

"All right, wise guy, who do we arrest? You want to tell me which of these loudmouths is a killer?"

Vote Count:

7 to lynch

havingfitz (3): Furry, Hoopla, Nikanor
Hoopla (3): Radical Hijinx, Slepz, havingfitz
Radical Hijinx (3): Oso, q21, InflatablePie
Slepz (2): Gwynplaine, xRECKONERx

Nonvoters: JacobSavage

Deadline is 6/6 @ 10 PM GMT-4. No Lynch occurs if this elapses.
Prodding: Radical Hijinx

Slepz's last post was 70 hours ago, and will be prodded in 2 hours.

[xRECKONERx]

Just thought I'd add that I don't read giant walls of text.

@Furry: what do you think of Slepz?

[q21]

And why is that Reckoner; because to me it seems either lazy or scummy... or possibly both.

I'm waiting to Nikanor to appear and call Pie's RH vote an opportunistic bandwagon vote.

As I've already stated, in what I am sure is not an all inclusive break down, I see it benefitting scum more than town because if the claimer is town and telling the truth:

- Keeps other PRs from touching you at night

(Good for town)

- As long as you are alive it continues to cast suspicions on validity of your claim and motives behind the early claim

(IMO bad for town)

- I don't think it improves your chances of staying alive any more than town players who have not claimed

(Null advantage)

- Keeps anti-town roles from touching you at night

(Bad for town)

- It tells scum who you are and allows them to look elsewhere for other possible PRs.

(Bad for town)

Whereas if the claimer is an anti-town role fakeclaiming:
- Keeps town PRs from touching you at night

(Bad for town)

- It forces town PRs to look elsewhere for other possible anti-town...however...the advantage of narrowing the field for town to affect anti-town with their night actions is less (assuming 2-3 remaining anti-town roles) than anti-town's advantage mentioned above in finding town PRs.

(Bad for town)

- As long as you are alive it continues to cast suspicions on validity of your claim and motives behind the early claim

(IMO bad for town)

- I don't think it improves your chances of staying alive any more than town players who have not claimed

(Null advantage)

Taken as a whole...I see the PGO claim to be overall more beneficial to scum which is why I am voting you. Not on policy....because I think your claim was scummy. Additionally...the fact it has not gotten more support tends to make me think scum are supporting it.

Notice that to make this explanation of why Hoopla's RC means she should be lynched you didn't actually have to mention her name. Not once. This indicates that your reasoning has nothing to do with Hoopla's play other than the fact of her RC. It is, in essence, an explanation of why all early Day 1 PGO claims should be lynched.

Whether you're willing to admit it or not, what you are advocating is a policy lynch of Hoopla.

[JacobSavage]

Wee, the only non voter!

And I must say

vote:Slepz

To make everything nice an symmetrical

[yabbaguy]

Radical Hijinx has failed to even pick up my prod within 48 hours. Seeking replacement.

Found. TheButtonmen replaces Radical Hijinx. The votes cast on and cast by Radical Hijinx will stay.

[TheButtonmen]

Yo; I'm the new Radical Hijinx, hopefully be caught up by tonight.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor....nothin is wrong with a havingfitz BW if there are valid reasons (which I do not think there are). My point was you called out people for bandwagonning in the same post in which you yourself jump on my bandwagon. That seems a bit a contradiction...which I find suspcious.

What opportunity was I scummily taking advantage of?

Oso's case & vote. It looked like you were trying to get on a wagon early.

Nikanor - this looks awfully wishy-washy, if that's the right word. "I like Oso's post, OH BUT I DON'T THINK RH IS SCUM NO SIR". Seems a bit of a pre-emptive defense? Eh, other than this, nothing else has caught my eye on Nik.

No, it's because although I think Oso is town from his analysis, I think that his vote is on town. Like, you know that feeling where you just know that it's two townies going at it in a big argument? That's how I feel about them. That Oso and RH are both town.

I'm waiting to Nikanor to appear and call Pie's RH vote an opportunistic bandwagon vote.

But I like him. I think he's town, so I'm not going to waste my time attacking him.

And why is that Reckoner; because to me it seems either lazy or scummy... or possibly both.

About that... I'm actually fairly sure that Reck is town as well. Sorry.

Unvote. Vote: Slepz.

Because a) I don't want symmetry in a mafia game. It's just bad.
and b) Slepz is lurking, which is scummy.

[Nikanor]

Oops, forgot to respond to the first bit by fitz. What I meant to say was that if fitz finds me suspicious, he should make it more clear in the wording of his posts. I've never once caught a vibe that fitz found me suspicious until he said it outright.
Also, here I must include the necessary "If you think I'm suspicious then vote me biatch."

[q21]

What opportunity was I scummily taking advantage of?

Oso's case & vote. It looked like you were trying to get on a wagon early.

I guess you could see it that way. Or, as the case actually is: I read Oso's case which caught my attention and prompted a reread of RH. That reread culminated in posts like this:

Policy lynch was perhaps a bit silly on my part. I can see now how claiming it can seem better than not. I saw a giant "Never target me with night actions" sign and failed to recognise the the possible protown motovations based therein. The role, particulary when claimed does spook me a bit.

and this:

@RH - Why policy lynch PGO?

I felt that its dangers as a lie outshone its benifits as a truth. Since then Hoopla has acted well and I was probably too quick in calling for a policy lynch. PGO was pretty new to be and I reacted poorly.

Which seem to indicate that he viewed his reaction vote to the PGO claim as a bad idea, yet there is no unvote in evidence. This is a direct contradiction between words and actions, which is scummy hence my vote.

I state all of that again in detail because Oso just had and I dislike redundancy.

-snip-

I'm waiting to Nikanor to appear and call Pie's RH vote an opportunistic bandwagon vote.

But I like him. I think he's town, so I'm not going to waste my time attacking him.

And that is a double standard. Which is a little scummy.

And why is that Reckoner; because to me it seems either lazy or scummy... or possibly both.

About that... I'm actually fairly sure that Reck is town as well. Sorry.

Unvote. Vote: Slepz.

Because a) I don't want symmetry in a mafia game. It's just bad.
and b) Slepz is lurking, which is scummy.

So Slepz is scummy for lurking (a point I don't specifically disagree with) but reckoner, who is active lurking, is town? Active lurking is, in my view, scummier than just plain lurking. Do you not agree.

[xRECKONERx]

q21, what do you think of my case on Slepz from earlier?

[q21]

It's coherent and reasonable and it raises a valid point. On the very rare (I think twice so far) occasion that you post content it is generally worth reading. That's why I am content to chalk your bulk of generally useless posts to playstyle rather than scum trying to make their presence felt without contributing much.

[yabbaguy]

The security detail on the scene trickles away. Nobody's dying, therefore they don't care.

That's probably going to be a big mistake.

Vote Count:

7 to lynch

Slepz (4): Gwynplaine, xRECKONERx, JacobSavage, Nikanor
Hoopla (3): Radical Hijinx, Slepz, havingfitz
TheButtonmen (3): Oso, q21, InflatablePie
havingfitz (2): Furry, Hoopla

Deadline is 6/6 @ 10 PM GMT-4. No Lynch occurs if this elapses.
Prodding: Slepz

[Furry]

As I've already stated, in what I am sure is not an all inclusive break down, I see it benefitting scum more than town because if the claimer is town and telling the truth:

- Keeps other PRs from touching you at night

(Good for town)

- As long as you are alive it continues to cast suspicions on validity of your claim and motives behind the early claim

(IMO bad for town)

- I don't think it improves your chances of staying alive any more than town players who have not claimed

(Null advantage)

- Keeps anti-town roles from touching you at night

(Bad for town)

- It tells scum who you are and allows them to look elsewhere for other possible PRs.

(Bad for town)

Whereas if the claimer is an anti-town role fakeclaiming:
- Keeps town PRs from touching you at night

(Bad for town)

- It forces town PRs to look elsewhere for other possible anti-town...however...the advantage of narrowing the field for town to affect anti-town with their night actions is less (assuming 2-3 remaining anti-town roles) than anti-town's advantage mentioned above in finding town PRs.

(Bad for town)

- As long as you are alive it continues to cast suspicions on validity of your claim and motives behind the early claim

(IMO bad for town)

- I don't think it improves your chances of staying alive any more than town players who have not claimed

(Null advantage)

Taken as a whole...I see the PGO claim to be overall more beneficial to scum which is why I am voting you. Not on policy....because I think your claim was scummy. Additionally...the fact it has not gotten more support tends to make me think scum are supporting it.

This is horrible...
-you are correct
-you are amazingly wrong, you treat a miller/PGO/etc claim as a VT claim, always. If you think they are scummy, you lynch them, if you think they are town, you dont lynch them.
-Why is this even included
-you are basically right
-true
~~
-this is not flat out "bad" for town. It can keep roles that could waste their ability (doctor) or possibly clear them if they arent taking an action (tracker) from being useful. All it stops is cops and vigs.
-more or less an echoing of previous point
-yeah would be "good for town" if it was true. However this shouldnt be true to start
-Again, why include this?


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What q21 said is true, you ARE pushing a policy lynch, even if you refuse to call it one. A case based on a (non proven false) roleclaim is a policy lynch, as it has nothing to do with how the player has played. Policy lynches of roles are bad, policy lynches are at times good.

More stuff later, im debating moving my vote since fitz is more being amazingly dense then scummy.

@fitz - Assume hoopla got modkilled for some wierd reason and was revealed as town PGO. Who is scum?

[Hoopla]

Hey q21. Where have you been the last year anyway?

[InflatablePie]

I come in, catch up and I'm about to post that fitz IS calling for a policy lynch despite what he calls it... and everyone and their mother beats me to it.

Jacob, are you actually going to post content or what?

No, it's because although I think Oso is town from his analysis, I think that his vote is on town. Like, you know that feeling where you just know that it's two townies going at it in a big argument? That's how I feel about them. That Oso and RH are both town.

Inflataman? <_<

I get what you're saying, it just seemed odd to throw in a comment on RH when I was reading over it. In addition, I disagree with the feeling that RH is town for now. Why do you think he's town again?

[Gwynplaine]

Wee, the only non voter!

And I must say

vote:Slepz

To make everything nice an symmetrical

This is the worst post of the game so far.

Vote: JacobSavage

[TheButtonmen]

Caught up! Post with in an hour or three.

[Nikanor]

Inflataman? <_<

I get what you're saying, it just seemed odd to throw in a comment on RH when I was reading over it. In addition, I disagree with the feeling that RH is town for now. Why do you think he's town again?

a) Yep, inflataman.
b) Mostly gut. Do you object to my read on RH?

[xRECKONERx]

Someone else should join the me/Furry/Hoopla supertownalliance

[Nikanor]

Can I join?

[xRECKONERx]

Go catch scum.

[Nikanor]

I've tried that before. It doesn't work.

[xRECKONERx]

Then what do you suggest we do?

[Nikanor]

I only work by process of elimination now.

Nikanor
q21
Hoopla
Oso
xRECKONERx
Slepz
TheButtonmen Radical Hijinx
havingfitz
Furry
JacobSavage
Gwynplaine
InflatablePie

q21
Slepz
havingfitz
JacobSavage
Gwynplaine

Three of those five are scum. I suggest we lynch some of them and see where it gets us.

[xRECKONERx]

Are you voting Slepz? If not, please do. If so, high five.