Mini 961: Insane Asylum II: GAME OVER :O!

[Yosarian2]

Hmmm, just thought of something.
How would scum probably be voting if Stranger and I are both town?

(shrug) Either, or they might be staying off both wagons.

Depends, though. I mean, if, hypothetically speaking, you/snowbunny were town and sociopath was scum, I'd expect the scum to have pushed snowbunny's lynch as a counterwagon to sociopath, and therefore that most of the scum would probably still be on your wagon.

But, without knowing the alignment of at least some of the suspects, really no way to say.

[UncertainKitten]

The Sixteenth "DSM IV" Vote Count

"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is published by the American Psychiatric Association and provides a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders. It is used in the United States and in varying degrees around the world, by clinicians, researchers, psychiatric drug regulation agencies, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and policy makers."

Mod Note: Prods are fun. By which I mean they aren't.

1. magnus_orion (0)
2. StrangerCoug (5): SocioPath, Iecerint, DrippingGoofball, Ellibereth, Haylen
3. SocioPath (1): Yosarian2
4. farside22 (0)
5. Glork (0)
6. Yosarian2 (0)
7. Tarhalindur (1): Dramonic
8. DrippingGoofball (0)
9. Haylen (0)
10. Iecerint (0)
11. Dramonic (0)
12. Ellibereth (5): Tarhalindur, farside22, magnus_orion, StrangerCoug, Glork

Not Voting (0)

Ellibereth is at L-2
StrangerCoug is at L-2

Prod Clock (New): 43 hours
Players still needing to respond to prod: Sociopath

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in 3 days at 3:00 PM EST, Monday, May 24th, 2010

[SocioPath]

Sociopath is in the prod zone

SUP

Coug's "convince me that you're not just claimfishing or I will vig you" post is really what convinced me. In my experience (no, I can't cite specific examples of players/games, this was ages ago), when a player claims Vig and then starts flinging threats, he is protown. I think that Coug's threat to me was very genuine, so he really believes that he can Vig. Whether he can get through the sanity mechanics of this game and actually kill me is another matter entirely, but when he threatened me, he definitely believed himself capable of killing me.

Those threats actually did the opposite for me.

In my experience, someone claiming vig, and is eager to prove themselves through threats, they are just an over-zealous SK.

Ironically, the game where I outed the SK doing such, the mod was SC.
StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: Déjà Bastard
The SK was a daykiller, and was way too eager.
I pushed him to kill me. (as a VT, no loss)
...because I was ignoring questions that scum was asking me.
Town ignored it because proof of power = proof of ability for them I guess.
In the end, he was finally done in by a modkill.
(GOOD GAME TO REFERENCE FURTHER META.)

[Glork]

Hmmm, just thought of something.
How would scum probably be voting if Stranger and I are both town?

It's a tossup. Probably not all three on one wagon, but 2-1, or 1-1 with one off-wagons is kind of a crapshoot.

[DrippingGoofball]

TWO half wagons = no lynch

[Iecerint]

I guess we could try to direct SC if we lynched Elli. Normally, Elli would be a no-brainer, but it's not as if scum is able to kill SC if he's town.

[farside22]

Hmmm, just thought of something.
How would scum probably be voting if Stranger and I are both town?

I believe the scum would be pushing harder on SC if he was town out of fear.

[Yosarian2]

Hmmm, just thought of something.
How would scum probably be voting if Stranger and I are both town?

I believe the scum would be pushing harder on SC if he was town out of fear.

That...actually makes a lot of sense. Scum can't let a nk-immune vig get to endgame, obviously.

In fact, that brings up all kinds of balance issues, the more I think about it.

Anyway, you're right; the scum would want to lynch him. SO that probably means that either he's scum, or else that most of the scum are already on his wagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

What kind of balance issues?

[Glork]

Coug: Does your NK-Immunity state that all kills attempted on you fail, or does it bring kill sanity into the issue?

[Yosarian2]

What kind of balance issues?

Well, it depends on what the scum win condition is and on if the scum have any way to stop it, but if the scum win condition is one of the "you win when all other factions are wiped out or that can't be avoided" type, then that means that one lone scum can't possibly beat a nk immune miller vig; even if it gets into a 1 one 1 endgame, the vig still wins.

I mean, there are ways around it, if the mod really wanted to include a NK immune miller vig (and she might; it's such a well known "bad claim" that it's just funny to actually use it in games where it works); she could probably have given the scum some kind of role that can get past NK immune people, or something, or she might have thought that the miller part would get him lynched or something. Just, it's not an easy role to fit into a good, well balanced game, which raises my doubts about it.

[Iecerint]

Daykiller would do it.

[StrangerCoug]

Coug: Does your NK-Immunity state that all kills attempted on you fail, or does it bring kill sanity into the issue?

Kill sanity is referenced in the role PM. (So is doc sanity, but the only thing I think I should worry about in that clause is a naïve doctor.)

[Yosarian2]

Coug: Does your NK-Immunity state that all kills attempted on you fail, or does it bring kill sanity into the issue?

Kill sanity is referenced in the role PM. (So is doc sanity, but the only thing I think I should worry about in that clause is a naïve doctor.)

Well, an insane doctor is one that kills you instead of protecting you, I believe. Which dosn't really matter if you're NK immune, right?

[StrangerCoug]

Hence why I implied that I shouldn't have to worry about an insane doctor.

[Glork]

I believe that Coug is protown. It sounds like he has roughly the same millerlike abilities that I do.


You're probably not Unnightkillable, and I'm really starting to think that us regular inmates are legit, while the doctors are the scums.



Vote stays on Elli.

[Iecerint]

^ Hmm. That's a neat flavor angle.

[magnus_orion]

interesting... and yet you're a "nk-immune miller vig", coug?
Clarify the nk-immunity part for me, and give it to me straight.

Glork just got bunches of pro-town points btw.

TWO half wagons = no lynch

this is false.

[Glork]

But, without knowing the alignment of at least some of the suspects, really no way to say.

There is an easy solution to this, Yos, and it involves not voting for someone irrelevant.

[Yosarian2]

But, without knowing the alignment of at least some of the suspects, really no way to say.

There is an easy solution to this, Yos, and it involves not voting for someone irrelevant.

Bah. I'm voting for the scumz. That's never irrelevent.

I already made clear what I'd do at deadline, if nothing changes.

[Glork]

I know, but considering the deadline is less than 20 hours away, I'm not really sure why you insist on holding out.

If by 20 hours you mean like, 45 hours

[Glork]

Yeah, as it turns out, today is Saturday, not Sunday.

-_-

[Iecerint]

Time is short? OK. I'll acquiesce.

Unvote; Vote: Ellibereth

L-1'd.

[Glork]

I should probably note tha tI'll be out of commission for pretty much all of Sunday... visitng with family.

[Yosarian2]

Ok.

If nothing changes, I'm probably going to hammer Eli in about, oh, 24 hours or so, sometime Sunday evening. Anyone have any last thoughts, or any reason I should change my mind, speak up now.