Open 216 - Generic Reality Television Mafia! Day 2!

[imaginality]

Have to catch up properly later, so no vote for now, but on the face of it XS's "I have a feeling that the scum team is Shattered, nopoint and Chrono, as opposed to my suspicion of Chnorek, Shattered and ??? yesterday" seems like a decent call to me too.

[XScorpion]

The non-cops were SUPPOSED to, but that doesn't mean the scum did.

[Miyu]

Jumpy much SV? You were in the spotlight a crap load yesterDay bro. Deer and Chronopie were not. So... why are you even questioning Scorpion saying that? It is a pretty obvious statement.

Deer. Do you honestly think that the scum would not use the hypocop situation to their advantage? That they would legitimately use random.org?
If you honestly believe that, you are incredibly naive.

[imaginality]

If the scum

didn't

use random.org and the rest of us did, that would make it

easier

for us, as it might give us clues who the scum are. The scum's selection of hypocop targets doesn't help them figure out who the cop is at all, so from that point of view it doesn't matter how they choose. At best it might help them influence our choice of suspects slightly if we place great weight on the hypocop results, but honestly, I don't think we should be worrying about these results until the second cop reveals him or herself (or gets killed), which hopefully won't be for another night or two either way.

[Deer]

Ah, you're probably right, Miyu.

And, yeah, we should probably just let these results be for now. Until a cop is revealed, then speculating on them is less effective than speculating on play.

[peanutman]

I think MS ate up my post from yesterday.
@nopoint, Ythan was an investigative possibility because his death was revealed D2, after the investigative period.

Also, I wouldn't speculate too much today on the hypo-cop results given only one cop and a mafia tailor. As for my suspicions, with Ythan's death, one of my top suspects, I will have to re-read D1.

[nopointinactingup]

Ahh, okay I get that. So right now is it hard to extricate information out of the hypocopping results, so we're back to throwing around accusations.

[ConfidAnon]

Day 2, Vote Count 2:

1 chnorek (nopointinactingup)

Not Voting: Shattered Viewpoint, chnorek, Chronopie, Deer, kunkstar7, Miyu, imaginality, peanutman, XScorpion

With 10 alive, it takes

6 to lynch!

Day 2 Deadline: June 11 4:30 PM CST.

Both Chronopie and kunkstar7 have failed to post within 72 hours. They will both receive their second prod.

[Miyu]

Could we possibly just get a replacement for Chronopie?

According to 'last post' the other day, I saw he posted in at least three mafia games, yet not this one. I was going to give him benefit of doubt and see if he posted.. yet nada.

The only criteria for replacement I will consider is what is covered by the rules, in order to remain fair and unbiased.

Deer. Why do you say I'm probably right? In what way? You shouldn't just agree with someone for the sake of it.[/b]

[Chronopie]

/prodded (Again)

I hadn't seen anything new

really worth

commenting on, since my last post

@Miyu: Yes I was working purely with numbers, as I'm not a Psych student

@Deer: I used the Hypocopping as a means of expressing my reads, not Random.org

@Nopoint: Yes we are back to throwing around random accusations. I see Definitely as an absolute term, therefore

really

dislike it being used for 99%.

@Chnorek: Paranoia much. The chances of all three 'Mafia' results being from scum players is extremely low, as I doubt that voting as a block would be a good idea for survival/wincon.

@xScorion: I feel you're reaching to find things from the hypocop that aren't actually there. Chances that none of the scum would finger a buddy in fear of being caught would be low. Also, if we're using hypocop for representing reads (as I did), or random.org (as Deer claims), than its possible that some one would avoid 'copping'

[Deer]

I say you're probably right in that the scum wouldn't use random.org.

Anyways, I really would like a chnorek or SV lynch today, like I pretty much said yesterday before the whole mavs incident.

[kunkstar7]

*throws hand up in disgust at mavs*


I really think we can't delve too much into the hypocop stuff, at least not until cop claims or flips. So ignoring that for now. The only thing I can really think of is to continue where we left off with the chnorek or SV lynch choice, as the nightflip doesn't offer much in the way of information other than reaffirming my idea that Miyu is probably town just fighting an argumentative Ythan.

[XScorpion]

I'm going to go with the hypothesis that Ythan was killed because he picked out scum.

vote: Shattered Viewpoint

[Deer]

It's WIFOMy, but I'm okay with adding more pressure.

vote: Shattered

[chnorek]

Deer is doing nothing so does kunk. Both avoiding spotlight, posting only as much as necesarry to avoid prod and same time contributing nothing.

I'm going to go with the hypothesis that Ythan was killed because he picked out scum.

i agree. This and scummy behavior from very beginning of game is enough for

vote: XScorpion

to summarize:
1) defending someone of unknown alignment, OMGUS, wifom, bandwagoning, playing jester
2) "SCORE" on mavs
3) not random hypocop

[Miyu]

What do you mean more pressure, Deer?
SV was pretty much on the hotseat for the majority of time yesterDay. What do you think is going to be different? Do you deny he was under pressure yesterDay?

Why wouldn't the scum use random.org?

Scorpion, why SV over the others?

I agree with chnorek. Deer and kunkstar are essentially floaters, and just posting enough to avoid prods. Though I believe Deer has been prodded. Kunkstar I would have to look at the mod posts.

[XScorpion]

SV for the same reasons I called him out as scum yesterday.

@Chnorek: Let's go through why your case against me continues to make no sense.

defending someone of unknown alignment

You continue to see this as defending, when I told you yesterday

and you admitted

that your case was complete BS. It is not scummy to tell someone that they have a BS case on someone, it is scummy to make BS cases, which is what you have done all game.

bandwagoning

I'd like you to 1) cite me examples of this and 2) explain why my "bandwagoning" is scummier than everyone else's, particularly SV.

playing jester

How is this a scumtell?

"SCORE" on mavs

Even Ythan considers this stretching, and Ythan thought I might be scum.

not random hypocop

Elaborate.

[chnorek]

"SCORE" on mavs

Even Ythan considers this stretching, and Ythan thought I might be scum.

really

EVEN YTHAN

?!

I'd like you to 1) cite me examples of this and 2) explain why my "bandwagoning" is scummier than everyone else's, particularly SV.

Your vote on me was OMGUS (nice that you dont deny it), you switched to SV just for lynching someone and finally you "scored" excuse for valid vote on mavs.
On D2 you vote for me because of hmmm yesterday? You have no reason to vote me, you are only looking for wagon.
Then you see a scum pushing my wagon and instead of attacking this scum you just vote on SV in hope of easy wagon.

not random hypocop

elaborate

you didnt even deny it, do i need to say anything more?


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everything else i already answered earlier.

[kunkstar7]

@chnorek: How is the nonrandom hypocop scummy? That's what he is requesting by asking for elaboration, and I request the same as I don't see it.

Actually, I call bull on that entire Xscorpion case.

1) Defending someone of unknown alignment can hardly be called scummy unless you have proof that the "unknown" is scummy as well. So its an invalid nulltell. (I don't remember seeing the OMGUS, so this may or may not be legitimate). His jester play doesn't look scummy to me, just that, playing around, which is WIFOM in itself and can't be indicative of either alignment really.

2) Regarding the 'score', almost everyone switched over to mavs after he claimed bored scum. So how is Xscorpions's reaction any different from the several other votes that sprang up on him?

3) This was questioned in the beginning of the post but for thoroughness:
How is a non-random hypocop scummy?

That you continue to push Xscorpion on this weak case is scummy,

Vote: Chnorek.

Might as well continue this wagon where it left off.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I see no reason not to

Vote: chnorek

Same reasons as yesterday.

[XScorpion]

Your vote on me was OMGUS (nice that you dont deny it)

I voted you on my first post. My vote later wasn't needed, I was already voting for you.

you switched to SV just for lynching someone and

Because it's scummy to want to avoid no-lynch? Yeah ok. </sarcasm>

finally you "scored" excuse for valid vote on mavs.

Explain how this is scummy.

On D2 you vote for me because of hmmm yesterday? You have no reason to vote me, you are only looking for wagon.

I'm voting for you for every reason I stated yesterday, like how a) You still don't scumhunt and b) you are hiding things.

Then you see a scum pushing my wagon and instead of attacking this scum you just vote on SV in hope of easy wagon.

If you are so sure nopoint is scum, why aren't you voting him?

[imaginality]

Wow, SV really is scum.

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Am not either. Care to back that up with, oh, I don't know, a

reason?

[ConfidAnon]

Day 2, Vote Count 3:

3 chnorek (nopointinactingup, kunkstar7, Shattered Viewpoint)

3 Shattered Viewpoint (XScorpion, Deer, imaginality)
1 XScorpion (chnorek)

Not Voting: Chronopie, Miyu, peanutman

With 10 alive, it takes

6 to lynch!

Day 2 Deadline: June 11 4:30 PM CST.

Both Chronopie and kunkstar7 have failed to post within 72 hours. They will both receive their second prod.

[Deer]

I somewhat resent that accusation of a "floater." My posts are generally fairly short, but I've been posting a reasonable amount, I thought.

@Miyu: Of course I don't deny that SV was under pressure yesterday, but after the whole mavs deal, we needed to get this game back on track. By more pressure I want him to come in and defend his scummy play from the day before and see if he can prove to me that he's town. I'm okay with a chnorek lynch today, too, but I want to see what SV has to say.