Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[farside22]

I'm not telling what I targeted him with, unless we massclaim. I didn't kill him.

Llama is dead. He came off as town. I'm not seeing a clear case on why you targetting him and wishing for a mass claim now says townie goodness.

##vote: charter

damn stupid voting rule.

[charter]

So you think I'm scum then?

[charter]

So you think I'm scum then?

Who killed someone who is positive I am town?

[farside22]

So you think I'm scum then?

My vote says you are.

Possible role you could have but doubtful
1) tracker (why would a town tracker, track llama)
2) cop (doubtful in this game with those outted already)
3) RB (again why would you target Llama)
4) doctor (highly impossible as llama is dead)

In short nothing I come up with results in town motive.

[UncertainKitten]

i don't like this setup at all.

Is that REALLY all you have to say? REALLY?

@farside: Why is it impossible for charter to have targetted llama with something pro town that would be more pro town if it were not revealed at this juncture? I did not read his statement as wanting massclaim.

Well, let's see what else there is:

Neighborizer (sure makes sense to me)
Watcher (Definitely makes sense)

Hell, in fact, the fact you brought up Tracker and NOT watcher bugs the shit out of me farside. What gives?

[farside22]

i don't like this setup at all.

Is that REALLY all you have to say? REALLY?

@farside: Why is it impossible for charter to have targetted llama with something pro town that would be more pro town if it were not revealed at this juncture? I did not read his statement as wanting massclaim.

Well, let's see what else there is:

Neighborizer (sure makes sense to me)
Watcher (Definitely makes sense)

Hell, in fact, the fact you brought up Tracker and NOT watcher bugs the shit out of me farside. What gives?

If he was a watcher he would have claimed who killed Llama.
Neighborizer is a possible one I could see and forgot about. It's not something I see in every game. There could be a 1 shot mason role. But I would expect someone with that role to use it day 1. Wouldn't you?

[UncertainKitten]

@farside: Not necessarily. Since assumably you couldn't recruit scum, I'd probably save it and try to use it as a one shot cop. However, if I were unable to recruit other either, I'd probably just directly use it D1.

As for watcher, fair point. Could be a weak watcher though, or have been redirected, or any number of things.

Either way, there are town roles that could be used to target llama. I could probably come up with more if I thought about it.

I don't think his reluctance to claim at this juncture is necessarily scummy, but he does bear keeping an eye on.

[Shotty to the Body]

@Shotty: are you also saying that there is no way you could have scored any points on D1/N1 (since there was no lynch and you used no abilities)?

Correct.

[Fishythefish]

Interesting. Shotty and d3x both claim to be sure they had no points at the beginning of Day 2, when I used scoreboard. However, while I'm not willing to reveal the precise rankings right now, I will say that they were not on the same number of points when I used scoreboard. So one of them is lieing.

[charter]

Zorblag, shoot one of them.

[popsofctown]

Interesting. Shotty and d3x both claim to be sure they had no points at the beginning of Day 2, when I used scoreboard. However, while I'm not willing to reveal the precise rankings right now, I will say that they were not on the same number of points when I used scoreboard. So one of them is lieing.

Let's kill both of them for good measure then. That sounds pretty sketchy. They are saying they are on a team right? So they're probably both scum

[Gammagooey]

So I'm pretty sure my entire scumlist just claimed Other.

Charter saying he visited Llama but refusing to say why and then suggesting a massclaim in

the same post

is seriously badstuffs but Shotty/d3x needs to get visited by Troll the pewpew fairy first for liean.
Still want Shotty dead first.

[d3x]

@pops- Just to keep things straight.

xvart the Speaker of the House part of the Legislature

Xvart was part of my faction.

I'm part of the Executive

We are not Claiming the same branch of gov't.

[Fishythefish]

Oh, and for completeness's sake I confirm that I am in the Judiciary.

[popsofctown]

well then you have some teammates dex why don't we have them confirm your alignment eh?

[d3x]

Well, considering I'm about to die {in all probability} and I still have a WinCon to accomplish, I don't think I'm going to 'out' my partner{s}. It is up to them/him/her/it if they'd like to be known.

Why aren't you asking Shotty or Fishy who their partners are, pops?

[charter]

So I'm pretty sure my entire scumlist just claimed Other.

Charter saying he visited Llama but refusing to say why and then suggesting a massclaim in

the same post

is seriously badstuffs

What is bad about it?

[Gammagooey]

The thinking of hmmm, I'm gonna have to claim soon. I should see if I can get everyone else to claim with me.

[Chronopie]

They don't want to do that, because they gain points for surviving unclaimed.

So No lynch D1, no action N1 = 0 points change = 0 points on D2 scoreboard (in theory).

But not in Fact...

You guys have some weird point mechanics

[imaginality]

I agree entirely with farside's 1428/1430. Hard to see charter's targeting Llama as pro-town, and I think massclaim at this point only helps the scum to target town PRs more effectively.

Re. the Others. If after they finish discussing their points stuff, Fish still claims that one of the other two is lying, we should definitely shoot one of the three of them today. I include Fish in that, because as an Other he has motive to lie about the other Others to try to get them shot. If Fish is telling the truth, it seems likely either the Executive or the Legislature are anti-town-leaning Others, so I that we need to use Troll to help us whittle down the Others. Also, if Troll is shooting Others, it deters scum from fake-claiming Other as they would be caught out if Troll shot them and didn't kill them.

As for lynches however, I'd much rather lynch scum than Other, so

##vote: charter

A pops wagon would also be lovely.

[d3x]

That about sums it up for me, Chrono. My point mechanics are tied to my abilities {1st used last night}, survival/outcome, and Lynching. As no Lynching occurred and we did not use an ability, the Executive did not change our point standings by the start of D2.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, let me try to get some things straight. Why did charter claim he targetted Llama in the first place?

[farside22]

@UK it had to do with this post from RC.

I'm ready to claim... as soon as charter tells us all what he did last night.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright. That actually does make charter scum a slightly higher possibility. But I haven't really gotten a scum read from him all game :S.

Did RC claim yet?

[Zorblag]

@UncertainKitten, RedCoyote called for him to claim before claiming himself. I imagine RedCoyote will have more to share when he's about next but that seems to happen in the wee hours more often than not.

@the branches, is there any chance that you have the points for surviving without claiming until you either die or claim? I don't know how things work but that might explain some discrepencies.

At this point I'd suggest that d3x and Shotty to the Body take turns verifying eachother's information from the score board. You should both have gotten the information at the same time, right? If you're both convinced that eachother are telling the truth then there is something to be said for Fishythefish having potential motive to get me to shoot at one of the two of you. If they don't match then perhaps in the process of verifying Fishythefish can pick out which of you is likely to be the liar.

@everyone who hasn't claimed a government role yet, if you know that someone who has claimed government already is lying and claim so now I'll take that as a help finding scum and will target you last. There's a good chance that the game will end before I've managed to kill all of my targets and you should get appreciation from the town for helping out. It should also put you one step closer to a town win as I assume it would be scum who would be lying here; if town winning is good for you then that should be helpful.

Of course, really, if all the point factions have town winning as positive point move for them then it becomes largely moot. There must be some variation in either the goals or the points for it to make sense. If we can sort those out it might make more sense for me to be gunning for the team least interested in helping the town now.

@Shotty to the Body, when you said that you lose points if your partner claims what exactly did you mean? Spell it out in as much detail as you can and are willing to; it's not quite the same thing that Fishythefish has said.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh