Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[UncertainKitten]

@Troll: Figured that. Just was asking if I missed it.

[Zorblag]

So here's the list of the information we seem to have from claims thus far. If I've got you wrong somewhere please do correct it. For anyone who's opposed to a mass claim at this point I'll invite you to take a look at how much we've already got out there and ask why keeping the rest of it hidden is good for the town?

• The Living
  
  
• animorpherv1: No claim
  
• charter: targeted LlamaFluff N2
  
• Chronopie: town/not town cop. Targeted Fishythefish (not town) N1, Jack (town) N2; something about not sure how he would turn up for point factions
  
• d3x: Executive, faction transmitted a weak watcher result on Chronopie to Plum
  
• Debonair Danny DiPietro: No claim (not government by Troll)
  
• DrippingGoofball: No Claim, recieved role cop transmission on Jack
  
• Ellibereth: No Claim (almost has to be Secret Service related)
  
• farside22: Tracker, tracked fishythefish to RedCoyote N1, Plum to Shotty to the Body N2
  
• Fishythefish: Judiciary, faction transmitted weak tracker result on Plum to Chronopie
  
• Gammagooey: Paranoid Gun Owner
  
• imaginality: No claim (well, not other or scum, but no real claim)
  
• StrangerCoug: No claim
  
• Plum: Some investigation on Shotty to the Body; recieved weak watcher on someone
  
• popsofctown: Vanilla Townie (not government by Troll)
  
• RedCoyote: roleblocked N1, probably something about charter N2
  
• Shotty to the Body: Legislature, transmitted a role cop result on Jack to DrippingGoofball
  
• UncertainKitten: presumably vig. Killed xvart N1 (by kill flavor); tried to target Plum N2, instead targetted Troll got redirected to Jack
  
• Zorblag: Sniper, shot at Debonair Danny DiPietro day one, popsofctown day two.
  
  
  The Dead
  
  
• Jack: Vanilla townie
  
• LlamaFluff: Town redirector. No results known
  
• Nicodemus: Vanilla townie
  
• Parama: Motive Cop. No results known
  
• Ojanen: Vanilla townie
  
• xvart: Legislature

You know, that's a lot of Vanilla townies dead compared to the density of those that seem to be left.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

@Chronopie, any answer to your question to the mod about what you can say about your role yet? Clearly you had something you wanted to share and I'd hate for you to forget to share it.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[UncertainKitten]

I am, indeed, a vig. There is more to my role than that, however. I see no need to full claim as of yet unless we do indeed to a mass claim.

We're still in a gray area on massclaim being a good idea IMO. There are a LOT of no claims there. And there are some action claims but no role claims...

I'm not really sure at this point.

[Zorblag]

@UncertainKitten, if by lots you mean 6/18 haven't made any claim then yes, I suppose. I'm more of the opinion that when 2/3 of the living players have claimed something it's a good time to start trying to put all the pieces together. I'd say that as town as well but take it with a grain of salt if you like given that you know my motives.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[UncertainKitten]

I see nine to ten no claims.

But I'm also talking pure roleclaims. I don't count the just target claims. Target says a little, but not as much as an actual role claim.

[Zorblag]

@UncertainKitten, if you want to count things that way I suppose it's up to you. I think that we'll be filling in some of those gaps you're talking about soon though. I'd think that you'd want to nail down those making target claims to a particular claim sooner rather than later as we've got a hugely target rich environment for the one kill per night that doesn't seem to be coming from you and there's not much danger in losing vital roles at this point so far as I can tell.

But I don't get to make this decision. I'll leave that to the town. They simply get to see my advice and the data that I'm working with when I'm making it.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, it's a grey area. Even just counting roleclaims, almost half the game has claimed.

[Chronopie]

No PM yet.

So I figure I'll just throw it out, and hope that I'm within acceptable limits.

Role Name:

Rogue

CIA Agent

Role: Cop/Miller

Flavour has to do with using the CIA's network to check people.

[Chronopie]

Basically I'm unsure as to how I affect their points boards due to being a miller.

[Zorblag]

@Chronopie, do you know if you flip green upon death?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

No idea. tbh I've only seen a miller flip once before. <ongoing game reference>

I'll ask.

[Zorblag]

@Chronopie, sounds good. Unless it says you're a death miller you should flip green so long as you're town aligned. What sort of miller are you? Do you come up not town? Or mafia in particular? Or something else? How does your miller-ness work this game?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

I was told that I would show not to be town aligned on investigation. I don't know if that means mafia in particular, I'd assume so.

[Fishythefish]

@the branches, is there any chance that you have the points for surviving without claiming until you either die or claim? I don't know how things work but that might explain some discrepencies.

At this point I'd suggest that d3x and Shotty to the Body take turns verifying eachother's information from the score board. You should both have gotten the information at the same time, right? If you're both convinced that eachother are telling the truth then there is something to be said for Fishythefish having potential motive to get me to shoot at one of the two of you. If they don't match then perhaps in the process of verifying Fishythefish can pick out which of you is likely to be the liar.

I checked this with the mod some time ago; the only points that count are those which are definitely in the bag. Surviving and similar do not count. From my conditions, it is very unlikely indeed that a faction could accrue points and not realise it. I would

have

to be on a lynch or take a night action to get points for the purposes of the scoreboard before the end of the game.

Note that my scoreboard was taken on Day 2, before last night's actions. The information from today's boards can neither confirm nor deny it.

Unless...
@Shotty/d3x: I lose points if I fail to take certain night actions in certain circumstances. Could either of you have lost points n1 for that reason?

I'm thinking and hoping that Chrono counts as town for us.

[Zorblag]

Hmm, and what's the format of the results you get? Any reason it wouldn't match the format you'd expect others to get?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Fishythefish]

Telling the format of a communication from the mod is presumably breaking the rules of the game.

[Zorblag]

@Fishythefish, I just want to know if he gets town/not town as a result. That shouldn't be too much. He can paraphrase easily enough. If that's what he gets (and it seems to match the information he's given) then it'd be a bit surprising for him to expect other cops out there would get mafia in particular on him.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

This rule, also why I wanted to check with the mod on my claiming.

3. I know how to prove my Towniness! I'll post my Role PM! No you won't.

Quoting your Role PM or anything I tell you via PM will result in your modkill.

The exception: Members of the Mafia may quote their PMs to each other without reprisal.

[Fishythefish]

@Troll; wires crossed. Thought you were asking for the format of my scoreboard ability

[Zorblag]

@Fishythefish, yeah, of course the one time I got lazy and didn't put the @soandso on my post is the time that you get yours in before I post it and it causes confusion.

For what it's worth, a modkill on anyone other than members of the government right now would be terrible for me and certainly isn't something I'm trying to cause to happen. I wouldn't have taken my shot. Everyone should definitely avoid getting mod killed as a personal favor to me. Well and because you lose if you get mod killed.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

lol wires crossed all over the place.

I get 'X is aligned with the Town / Not aligned with the Town' format results.

If there are other players with the exact same (Town/non-town) format, then I'd show up as not town.

[speculation]But idk whether there are other/non-other, or mafia/non-mafia cops, and how I'd show to them. [/speculation]

[Zorblag]

@Chronopie and Fishythefish, since you two are about, what are your thoughts on a mass claim? Would it likely be in the towns best interest to have full claims from everyone at this point?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

Well I could always check anyone claiming town, might catch a few scumballs that way.

Since we also have a member of each non-hostile branch outed, we can verify those claims. ofc they might not want to claim, if they gain points by surviving w/out claiming. but if they all claim, then none of them gain the points, and it's an even playing field.

[Chronopie]

Also we're still waiting on a points board breakdown from the Non-hostiles too.