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Post Post #1475 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 11:57 am

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Plum wrote:Because you're useless and you're not Town. Do you disagree on either count?
Way to tie yourself to farside22.
charter wrote:I'm not telling what I targeted him with, unless we massclaim. I didn't kill him.
Yes, I think farside22 is scum. No, this is not the right way to respond to her. She already knows you're something.

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Post Post #1476 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 12:18 pm

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Gammagooey wrote:The thinking of hmmm, I'm gonna have to claim soon. I should see if I can get everyone else to claim with me.
I have no problem claiming first in a massclaim, I know no one is going to claim anything similar to me. But me claiming now will tell town nothing and will make my role useless.

Looking at Zorblag's list, why the hell are we not massclaiming? Over half the people in the game have claimed.

StrangerCoug, if you think farside is scum, do you think I'm scum with her? Your vote makes no sense. Honestly, the three people voting me look really opportunistic. Farside has made every opportunistic vote available the entire game.
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Post Post #1477 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 12:19 pm

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Zorblag wrote:@Plum, would you like to confirm that it was Chronopie that you got your transmission about? I think that you left that vague. Same question to you about alignment reveal as DrippingGoofball just got.

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Yeah. In full, that someone visited Chrono last Night. The Someone is left unspecified.

I'm still reading Charter as Town. Charter, do you mind claiming whether you're Town or Other, though?
Chronopie wrote:I was told that I would show not to be town aligned on investigation. I don't know if that means mafia in particular, I'd assume so.
Whaaaaaaat?

Oh hell.

StrangerCoug wrote: Way to tie yourself to farside22.
Hm? How so and what do you care to imply by saying so?
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Post Post #1478 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 12:23 pm

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charter wrote:StrangerCoug, if you think farside is scum, do you think I'm scum with her? Your vote makes no sense. Honestly, the three people voting me look really opportunistic. Farside has made every opportunistic vote available the entire game.
It makes perfect sense if I think you're either on an opposing Mafia group or a serial killer.
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StrangerCoug wrote: Way to tie yourself to farside22.
Hm? How so and what do you care to imply by saying so?
Both of you look like you're policy lynching non-town indiscriminately, so I think the two of you share an alignment.
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Post Post #1479 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 1:27 pm

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Um, not policy lynching non-Town indiscriminately. Read my posts, please. I'm in for outing them indiscriminately and am more interested in seeing clearly who's what. There
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a reason for this. Separating out true Other claims from fake ones helps see where our pool of true scum actually is. That's why, for example, I'm happy we have outed d3x and Shotty as Other, and have Zorblag at the very least to help test such claims.

Again, check my posts and note that while I talk a lot about outing Others as a good thing, I clearly stand
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Post Post #1480 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 1:35 pm

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Ok...so my chart was kinda right at least.
So, THE HUNT FOR THE BUDDY OF FISHY BEGINS

People NOT voting Fishy at wagon height: UK, Jack, Nico, fishy, phate, shotty, imagine, pops, chrono, llama, elli, plum
ONLY REMOVING CONFIRMED: UK, Ani, Imagine, Chrono, Plum
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D3x's buddy is also probably not on the most competent side of things. Who in the current player list would forget to post in QT in nightless game?
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Post Post #1481 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 1:36 pm

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@Ellibereth, if he's telling the truth about that (it could be a red herring to distract me) I'd guess animorpherv1 offhand. There are a couple other options but that's such a nice fit for what I've seen.

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Post Post #1482 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 1:40 pm

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Oh yeah, Troll, please don't shoot anyone before confirmed it with me plz.
Muchas gracias.

Ani for which one? d3 or fishy>?
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Post Post #1483 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 2:53 pm

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ani is a good guess for d3x's partner, I think. I'd say pops would be a decent guess too, because he didn't use the scum QT in Caught in the Crossfire Mafia (so he could concentrate on appearing town) so I could see him doing the same here, but Zorblag's kill attempt on him seems to rule him out of being an Other, assuming Zorblag is telling the truth.

All this Other stuff gives me second thoughts somewhat about Gamma's claim of PGO. It seems like it's important to the Others to survive awhile so they can get points, so a PGO claim seems like a good way for an Other to deter people from night-killing him for a few nights.
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Post Post #1484 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 3:01 pm

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Plum wrote:Charter, do you mind claiming whether you're Town or Other, though?
Town.
Stranger wrote:It makes perfect sense if I think you're either on an opposing Mafia group or a serial killer.
Good try there slick, but you're going to have to do better. There are two kills each night. We know where one comes from, so the other is almost assuredly scum. There's no third kill for me to be a SK or another scum group. So back to the question, do you think I'm scum with farside, and how do you think that works?
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Post Post #1485 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 3:18 pm

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Plum wrote:Um, not policy lynching non-Town indiscriminately. Read my posts, please. I'm in for outing them indiscriminately and am more interested in seeing clearly who's what. There
is
a reason for this. Separating out true Other claims from fake ones helps see where our pool of true scum actually is. That's why, for example, I'm happy we have outed d3x and Shotty as Other, and have Zorblag at the very least to help test such claims.

Again, check my posts and note that while I talk a lot about outing Others as a good thing, I clearly stand
against
policy lynching them.
It appeared that #1379 was advocating Shotty's policy lynch. I'll look through tomorrow.
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Stranger wrote:It makes perfect sense if I think you're either on an opposing Mafia group or a serial killer.
Good try there slick, but you're going to have to do better. There are two kills each night. We know where one comes from, so the other is almost assuredly scum. There's no third kill for me to be a SK or another scum group.
BZZZT!
You're in a closed setup and you cannot necessarily use the lack of something to prove that it doesn't exist. Who's to say that nobody blocked a kill two nights in a row?
charter wrote:So back to the question, do you think I'm scum with farside, and how do you think that works?
I thought this was implied. No, I do not think you are scum with farside22. Additionally, a hostile non-other flip from farside22, while something I don't think will happen, won't surprise me; therefore, I could be in serious error by pushing for her lynch.
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Post Post #1486 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 3:27 pm

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Additionally, a hostile non-other flip from farside22, while something I don't think will happen, won't surprise me; therefore, I could be in serious error by pushing for her lynch.
Could you clarify what you mean here? I'm having trouble parsing it.
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Post Post #1487 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 4:07 pm

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StrangerCoug wrote:It appeared that #1379 was advocating Shotty's policy lynch. I'll look through tomorrow.
No, it was a statement of fact supporting why I would have been pleased to see Shotty dead, and both were factual. I did not want to use a lynch on Shotty; I wanted Zorb to possibly use an Other-killing shot against him, as he was not merely Other but useless. Because Zorb's shot is effective at taking out useless Others and that's basically the extent to which it can be used to our benefit (unless we definitively uncover a points-faction which helps scum, in which case the best use would be taking down counter-productive Other, but I digress), Shotty would have been an excellent target and him gone would have been no unhelpful thing, in my opinion. Zorb using his shot to hunt Non-Hostile Other is as valid a way of using it, I suppose, so it's okay if he does that on our orders.
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Post Post #1488 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 4:12 pm

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Plum seems awfully determined to shoot me before we can confirm people's alignment.
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Post Post #1489 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 4:18 pm

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Uh, no, just interested in explaining to SC that his interpretation is incorrect. I was not the only one to desire your death at the time and frankly the reasons for not needing or particularly wanting you around still apply. I'm fine with waiting, no desire to per se rush things. Where, may I ask, did you get that idea?
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Post Post #1490 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 4:33 pm

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@Ellibereth, I meant animorpherv1 was my first thought for d3x's partner when I heard his claim. Nothing's changed that opinion so far.

As for conferring with you before I take my shot, I'm all for working with the town to decide who they want me to shoot but with you I'm dealing with someone who I've got pretty good reason to think is secret service and I don't have any reason to think that secret service is out to do me any good. Unless you're willing to do something to convince me that I shouldn't expect you to have some win condition that involves being able to predict where I'm going to shoot I'm not particularly inclined to clear my shots with you ahead of time. I'm happy to listen to reasons to change my mind but I don't see why I've got any reason to trust you right now.

@d3x, Fishythefish and Shotty to the Body, I think that the town in general would probably appreciate it if the pace at which you went about figuring out how you can compare scoreboard information for test of eachother's alignments as well as those that were transmitted to was picked up at this time.

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Post Post #1491 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 6:28 pm

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@Troll- I'm good with that. I received my list earlier in the day, but haven't been able to really look at it in depth. It verifies that there are only 3 Point scoring groups in the game {the 3 mentioned already} and gives the rankings, not the actual point totals or breakdowns.

With the Voting breakdown, I can pretty much confirm that Fishy's group is proTown as he said {and in all probability Shotty's as well}. Judicial is tied with Legislative for 2nd so if they would've gained points from a Townie Lynch, they would be higher or at least tied with us, the Executive. With Fishy being on the TownWagon yesterday, they would've lost points at least once {multiple times if they were both/all on the Wagon}. As xvart had no opportunity to lose points through Wagons and Shotty wasn't on Nico's MisLynch; this leads me to believe that they targetted Scum {losing points with their Night Action}.

I can also pretty much confirm Plum is nonScum {unless the other 2 Branches lost a bunch more points than I suspect}. We would've lost points if she'd been Scum. There is a slight possibility that she's Other due to the lack of point totals on the Scoreboard.

@Fishy&Shotty- Have you used multiple point gathering abilities? This is
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important to determining whether or not DGB {Shotty's Claimed target} is Scum.

In crunching the numbers, I don't see how DGB could be Town. I'm coming up with even numbers at no points or negative points for the tie between the Branches. If they're both at negative, I believe Fishy's partner wasn't on the Wagon and they targetted Other. If they're at 0, I believe they both were on the Wagon but targetted Town. With Shotty's case, he lost no points for the Wagon, so he's at either negative by targetting Scum or 0 for targetting Other. Either way, Shotty Claims to have targetted DGB and I can't see a way that she's Town with this breakdown.

Without more info from the other Branches, I'm pretty much stopped there on speculation/data.

Regarding speculation of my partner{s}, I'll be leaving the ultimate decision up to him/her/it/them, but I will say that I'm not against speculation and you guys figuring out who my partner{s} is/are. This way, there's no Claim and we would still be able to win some points if he/she/it/they live to End Game {I've still gotta' try for my WinCon afterall :)}.
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Post Post #1492 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 7:37 pm

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@d3x: I'm afraid there's at least a possibility that I've got points from places other than my track and the lynch.

I think there's something to be gleaned from the situation, and I need to think about how to handle this. I'll probably be claiming more this evening.
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Post Post #1493 (ISO) » Mon May 24, 2010 8:02 pm

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@Fishy- Unless I received points from some outside source, I can guarantee that I only have a single point gaining opportunity. That means that I'm at either 0 or a single bump above. With you two tied for second, that puts you at negative or 0.

What was the running at the beginning of D2? Although I was curious, my main interest was in finding out if Shotty had used multiple abilities.
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Post Post #1494 (ISO) » Tue May 25, 2010 3:24 am

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Day 3 Vote Count

charter ( 3 ) farside22 imaginality StrangerCoug
Chronopie ( 0 )
d3x ( 5 ) Plum DrippingGoofball Chronopie UncertainKitten Ellibereth
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Gammagooey ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
StrangerCoug ( 0 )
animorpherv1 ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro
RedCoyote ( 0 )
Shotty to the Body ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 0 )
Plum ( 0 )
Zorblag ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 9 ) fishythefish Gammagooey animorpherv1 charter Zorblag popsofctown RedCoyote d3x Shotty to the Body
Total Votes ( 18 )

Deadline: June 4th at 23:00 EDT
With 18 able to vote, 10 needed to lynch.
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Post Post #1495 (ISO) » Tue May 25, 2010 8:02 am

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d3x, do you get points for lynching scum? Would that mean you want to lynch DGB?
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Post Post #1496 (ISO) » Tue May 25, 2010 9:08 am

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Yes I do get points for Lynching Scum. And assuming there's no evidence to the contrary, yes I would want to Lynch DGB.
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Post Post #1497 (ISO) » Tue May 25, 2010 10:11 am

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I'm not scum.

That part of your point plan isn't happening.
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Post Post #1498 (ISO) » Tue May 25, 2010 10:40 am

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StrangerCoug wrote:
BZZZT!
You're in a closed setup and you cannot necessarily use the lack of something to prove that it doesn't exist. Who's to say that nobody blocked a kill two nights in a row?
If you're going to say I'm scum despite the lack of any evidence to support it, then you're going to have to come up with a working theory that fits. So far you're just calling as many people scum as you can despite contradicting evidence. I'll give you that farside could very well be scum, I can't remember a protown post from her other than a couple of the lynch Fishy ones.

D3x, why is DGB scum? I didn't understand how it worked when I read your explanation.
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Post Post #1499 (ISO) » Tue May 25, 2010 10:59 am

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[quote="Fishy"]
People NOT voting Fishy at wagon height: UK, Jack, Nico, fishy, phate, shotty, imagine, pops, chrono, llama, elli, plum
ONLY REMOVING CONFIRMED: UK, Ani, Imagine, Chrono, Plum /quote]
OK.
So I think FIshy had transmitted something to both Chrono and Plum right? Probably real and not faked. UK claimed vig so prob not.
Leaves ANI, and IMAGINE.
IMAGINE already claimed TOWN, but I'll give him a chance to revoke.
My bet is on ANI for Fishy's partner right now. I'll give you a chance to claim. ~~~

Trollio, I kinda crumbed knowledge of your targets in my ISO 33. With that knowledge it should be easy to find. Let's just say if we work together we'll be friends. I have no obligation to get rid of you, or defend the government.

Algorithm stuff that leads to DGBscum confuses me.
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