Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[curiouskarmadog]

Are we really talking about this?

All roles are out, please confirm by PM. Any roles that can night talk can do so in the pregame stage.

Everybody was told to confirm, not just VTs.

That's not the right question. Why would Sera ask the question in the first place?

when I first saw that..I thought ok, Sera is either fishing OOOORRR he is a VT as well, but then he said he didnt believe the claim, when it seemed to clear him in my eyes that screams scum.

[Faraday]

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That's not the right question. Why would Sera ask the question in the first place?

True, but I don't take the confirming line to be anything significant. I mean unless you think it'd be lacking in the scum PM to me it doesn't really seem any sort of significant point, unless I completely misunderstood at what CKD was getting at.

[Faraday]

I thought CKD was a power role before he claimed vanilla. Now I think he might be scum or SK because he's always asking what people think about him and shit.

I vaguely remember something similar from him in PYP2, actually. I think he was vanilla too there. I probably need to see if he does it as scum, but in the one scum game I played with him it's not something I remember from him.

[dybeck]

I see Faraday's perked up all of a sudden now that he scents someone else's blood.

[Faraday]

Considering they've been the 2 main wagons for the day before mine, I fail to see how I'm 'scenting blood' now. I believe Sera's town and still prefer Espeonage to die. Swinging the wagon his way would be better I think.

[boberz]

Site has been terrible for me to log on over the last few days.

Sera, you are not going to prove you innocence by refusing to make cases. When you started stating suspicion on me there was more than a week to go so I do not accept that as an excuse. You have been deliberately coi because you do not really have a case and will therefore have to regurgitate old stuff about bv and overreaction which doesnt make sense.

I had a read of Nick and will post about it later. Website allowing.

[farside22]

See here is the issue I have. Why would Sera ask if there was something more to the VT then what is on the sample PM. Then say I don't believe Espy and vote him. That just doesn't make sense as town.
I really want to vote Faraday again after his last comment on this page.

[Jahudo]

I'd prefer a Espeonage, boberz and Faraday lynch all before Seraphim, and in that order. But deadline and all. We could do worse today.

See here is the issue I have. Why would Sera ask if there was something more to the VT then what is on the sample PM. Then say I don't believe Espy and vote him. That just doesn't make sense as town.
I really want to vote Faraday again after his last comment on this page.

Technically CKD asked if there was something more to the role PM, and when Espy said yes it was Seraphim who asked what. And also technically Sera's vote was already on Espy, then after a few days of not commenting Espy's role PM answer, he switches wagons. And he only said he didn't believe the claim because he thought Espy was playing like a PR.

Is your issue still with that stuff?

[Patrick]

Votecount

Espeonage (3) -- Faraday, NickF227, Jahudo
Seraphim (6) -- boberz, Javert, Albert B. Rampage, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog, farside22
Faraday (3) -- Amished, dybeck, Seraphim

Not voting: Ojanen
13 alive, 7 to lynch.

Deadline: 26th of May, 10pm GMT.

[farside22]

I'd prefer a Espeonage, boberz and Faraday lynch all before Seraphim, and in that order. But deadline and all. We could do worse today.

See here is the issue I have. Why would Sera ask if there was something more to the VT then what is on the sample PM. Then say I don't believe Espy and vote him. That just doesn't make sense as town.
I really want to vote Faraday again after his last comment on this page.

Technically CKD asked if there was something more to the role PM, and when Espy said yes it was Seraphim who asked what. And also technically Sera's vote was already on Espy, then after a few days of not commenting Espy's role PM answer, he switches wagons. And he only said he didn't believe the claim because he thought Espy was playing like a PR.

Is your issue still with that stuff?

Ah that helps and makes me feel better about my vote more over on Sera.

[Seraphim]

How much longer do we have until deadline?

[Patrick]

I make it 25 hours 36 minutes.

[Seraphim]

Alright, still time to try and swing this then. I'll give it my best shot once I finish writing my essay.

[Amished]

You got about 5 until I come back tonight; and then another 12 beyond that for when I get up in the morning.

Unvote
Vote: Espeonage

Just in hopefulness.

[farside22]

I'm not lynching Espy. That hope is not happening at this point in my view Amished

[Amished]

Is any wagon switch really going to happen then? Otherwise I don't see the point of extending the day.

[farside22]

Is any wagon switch really going to happen then? Otherwise I don't see the point of extending the day.

Faraday for me still has a shot. Not sure how others feel but I still don't like faraday.

[Faraday]

Espeonage > Seraphim > Faraday.

Completely misread the deadline and thought we had more time.

Farside why do you think Espeonage is town again?

[Amished]

@farside: the way I see it we had a wagon building and nothing happened a couple days ago. I don't see why this close to the deadline would be any different.

[Seraphim]

Farside: what precisely makes me a better lynch than Faraday today?

[farside22]

Farside: what precisely makes me a better lynch than Faraday today?

Will you answer the question about what was the point of following up CKD's line of questioning on Espy and then still finding espy scum?
You do that I may swing my vote over to Faraday.

[Seraphim]

Alright.

When I followed up CKD's questioning with questions of my own and got the answer, I wanted to consider over some time. I never followed up because I was definitely still considering it. As Jahudo(I think) stated earlier, all PMs should have that last line on it so it should be immaterial and mean nothing. However, the blunt honesty and correct information in the PM also lent himself to a town credence.

I went back and read through Esp's posts because I was going to make DAMN sure before I moved my vote. In the current deadlock state in the game, I knew anyone moving their vote ANYWHERE was going to, more than likely, kill the wagon. By unvoting Esp, I was likely going to kill the Esp wagon at best, get myself lynched at worst. I was the only competing wagon at the time so if I unvoted, I was likely sealing my fate.

In this state of deadlock, I knew I, as a major suspect, had a doubtful chance of starting a wagon and having it stick. I knew this from personal experience...I attempt to wagon both Faraday and dybeck early in the day, to no avail. Which means, if my vote is going to count for something, it needed to be on a wagon with popular support on it or at least some chance of getting off the ground.

In other words, unless I was pretty damn sure Esp was not scum, I was going to vote him to keep my chances alive. That is what I meant by self-preservation. This is why I did not immediately unvote Espeonage. I'm still not 100% as to Esp's towniness but I am sure of Faraday being scum. This is why I jumped on the wagon.

[farside22]

So in the last week of seeing your wagon and hemming and hawing. Instead of looking for scum you voted for someone to save your own ass instead of scum hunt.

Sorry hun I'm not moved by your statement at all. If you are town you should have been pointing out the scum and fighting for your belief in who is scum instead of saving your ass. That is not town in my view and if you do flip town you are the sadess state of town i ever saw in the ready to be lynched phase of the game.

[curiouskarmadog]

so, you stance on Esp is what exactly?

[curiouskarmadog]

..."your stance"