Mini 961: Insane Asylum II: GAME OVER :O!

[Iecerint]

Well, I suppose that clarifies the source of the extra kill. Kinda. But the other could be an insane doctor, or whatever term she's using, maybe. It would also appear to imply 3 scum 1 SK. So town barely has a majority.

SC needs to post.

[dramonic]

What are you talking about Iece. There were two kills, one for mafia and the other you say has a clear source. There's no third one <<
Also, usually the role is CPR doc, but in this context it could adjust with a scalpel.

[dramonic]

Oh DAMMIT

Fixed it for you.

[farside22]

Gezz was this site freezing terrible or what.

vote: SocioPath

[dramonic]

yes, yes it was.

[farside22]

Dramo: Who's scum in your view this game?

[UncertainKitten]

/me whistles as she cleans up Dram's Sentuple post

[Iecerint]

Psychologists traditionally tame SKs.

Yeah, but have I ever been one for tradition :V?

[DrippingGoofball]

Icerink is all kinds of IIoA and coasting and needs to die.

vote: Icerink

[DrippingGoofball]

Gezz was this site freezing terrible or what.

vote: SocioPath

Socio is town. I have faith in my meta.

Unvote plz.

Icerink needs to be taken care of.

[farside22]

Gezz was this site freezing terrible or what.

vote: SocioPath

Socio is town. I have faith in my meta.

Unvote plz.

Icerink needs to be taken care of.

I'm not seeing it. You want to link to this meta you have on SP?

[magnus_orion]

Well, I suppose that clarifies the source of the extra kill. Kinda. But the other could be an insane doctor, or whatever term she's using, maybe. It would also appear to imply 3 scum 1 SK. So town barely has a majority.

SC needs to post.

explain your use of the words "extra" and "other" in these statements.

Frankly, I agree with DGB.

Who do you think is scum right now?

What are you talking about Iece. There were two kills, one for mafia and the other you say has a clear source. There's no third one <<
Also, usually the role is CPR doc, but in this context it could adjust with a scalpel.

Why do you think iec's statements suggest a third kill?

Fos: Dramonic

[Iecerint]

There were 2 kills. Extra means the 2nd one. "Other" is used interchangeably. The gist is "Psychologist implies SK, but scalpel flavor implies insane doc."

My entire prior-hypothesized scumteam (which I came up with in conversation with you, no less) remains alive, so it should be obvious who I think is scum.

I haven't done a reread yet, so that may or may not change.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: 2nd above doesn't indicate the order that UK presented them in. It just means, well, "extra."

[Iecerint]

Why do you think iec's statements suggest a third kill?

Fos: Dramonic

This interests me, though.

[magnus_orion]

btw, I have reason to believe that psychologist did something different in this game.

My entire prior-hypothesized scumteam (which I came up with in conversation with you, no less) remains alive, so it should be obvious who I think is scum.

oh!?
Before your position was quite different.
Before you claimed that those weren't your top suspects, just the most likely scum team at that point.
But now its obvious who you think is scum?
Also, one more action I'd like you to explain
Yesterday the wagons were

2. StrangerCoug (5): SocioPath, Iecerint, DrippingGoofball, Ellibereth, Haylen

12. Ellibereth (5): Tarhalindur, farside22, magnus_orion, StrangerCoug, Glork

At one point.

However, you believed, by your own words

1. SC was not hammered because he is scum and his scumfriends want to lynch Elli.

It's implicit that you thought, at this point, that Eli was town...

However, with the wagons above exactly as they were, you did this:

Time is short? OK. I'll acquiesce.

Unvote; Vote: Ellibereth

L-1'd.

With equal wagons, one on someone you thought was scum, and one on someone you thought was town, and with before deadline,
you decided it was better to switch from someone you thought was scum to someone you thought was town. In other words, you threw your weight against your thoughts and caused the majority to be on eli, even though you thought eli was town. Rather than push your case on coug more, and attempt to get the person you thought was scum lynched, you caved because of "time", and made it so there was no way your top suspect would be lynched.
As long as the wagons were equal, the possibility that coug would be lynched existed.
The person to "cave to time" would be expected to be someone who agreed with both wagons, but favored one, for example, DGB.
You, on the other hand, had implied your belief that Eli was town, and not only that, but that scum were trying to lynch Eli.

So that begs the question:
Why did you decide to change your vote from your top suspect, who up til then was an equally likely lynch, to someone you thought was town, just because deadline was creeping up on you?
If the wagons had been unequal in distribution, I would understand, but it was your vote that changed the balance.

[Iecerint]

You're being ridiculously nit-picky with the first. My point is that you framed my play as if my reads were somehow mysterious, whereas that makes utterly no sense, and it's oddest of all for you to make a statement like that, because they were expressed most clearly in interactions with you.

I don't think I have ever not been on a deadline wagon in my life, except for D1 in Rabbit Doubt ages and ages ago (where my only town read was being lynched), or if I express willingness to hammer and someone else beats me to it. So this is a playstyle thing. I don't blame you for commenting on it, though. IIRC, someone misrepresented/made an error on how much time was left to deadline at that point, which is the basis of my willingness.

I changed my mind on Elli because Elli wasn't playing like Elli and, after I think it was farside or Glork or someone who pointed out differences between this and OS, SB didn't really play like SB either. My only experience with both players was town, so...

[dramonic]

Well, I suppose that clarifies the source of the extra kill. Kinda. But the other could be an insane doctor, or whatever term she's using, maybe. It would also appear to imply 3 scum 1 SK. So town barely has a majority.

The mafia's kill isn't an extra kill, and it's not an insane doc obviously. That's were Iec's third kill question comes from <<

[farside22]

It's implicit that you thought, at this point, that Eli was town...

I read the whole quote in question here that you are pointing too.

There are three possibilities:

1. SC was not hammered because he is scum and his scumfriends want to lynch Elli.
2. SC was not hammered because there are already too many scum on his wagon, and they didn't want a full house, or there was already a full house. (So, 2+ scum on the wagon.)
3. SC was not hammered because people just sort of weren't online. (A reach on its own IMO)

I can see how he considered (as he said it a few times) the first one more then the other 2.
I do note that he voted as MO pointed out.

IEC: I think the question your not explain or I see being answered is if you felt that SC is scum more over Elli why would you switch you vote?

[Iecerint]

Because I am a wimp and always cave. Then I hate myself when I lose the game.

That is really all there is to it.

[SocioPath]

EVERYONE I FOCUSED ON IS NOW DEAD.

With the exception of the claimed killer.
So, this:

SC needs to post.

Thats all that needs to be said for now.

[magnus_orion]

You're being ridiculously nit-picky with the first. My point is that you framed my play as if my reads were somehow mysterious, whereas that makes utterly no sense, and it's oddest of all for you to make a statement like that, because they were expressed most clearly in interactions with you.

I'm only being ridiculously nit pikcy because it was a distinction you, yourself, were very careful to make.

I asked who you thought were SC's partners yesterday. I also asked if they were your top suspects. You said they were not the same as your top suspects. You explicitly made that distinction, although you failed to clarify who your top suspects were.

Now I'm asking you who you think is scum, in other words, who are your top suspects. You say that the prior hypothesized scum team are the people you think are scum, which is at odds with the distinction you were careful to point out yesterday.

Actually, you did comment on switching to Elli before deadline, I guess I missed that. However, I still see it as more understandable if you, yourself, didn't effectively decide which wagon would be the deadline wagon with your vote....

That being said, you do offer up some explanation with "Elli isn't playing like Elli"... could you elaborate on that point for us? How much stock do you put in meta?

[Iecerint]

Come to think of it, I think I actually said that Elli was my other top suspect, didn't I? So yeah.

I would have expected townElli to show better evidence that he had read the thread. All we got is MY WAGON HAS SCUM and unexplained town reads IIRC.

Meta is pretty great. I am sometimes too lazy to mess with it, though.

[Iecerint]

I'd probably maybe support a lynch on Elli if it came down to it, even though I've defended he and SB all game except for just after he replaced in. I suppose he's my other "top suspect" as such.

Also, I have a crush on Elli and consequently have a slightly irrational desire to refrain from killing him.

Here.

[Iecerint]

As for who I think is scum at this point, I don't really have a town read on any of you tbh. This is how I would tier you guys (NB: this is just "follow your heart"-grade):

Townier

SP
farside

Meh

MO (Manner of attack today is weird. Reminds me a little of Twilight, but not quite that bad.)
DGB (She is historically fairly good at judging me

Scummier

Haylen (here via vacuity, mainly)
Dram (see above)
SC (the only reason I hesitate to give him his own lower tier is via outguessing)
Tar (literally no reason to think he's town AFAIK)