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[Chronopie]

Anyway. I'm a

Contractor

and my role is

Universal Backup

. I'm not just doing this for the money. I'm doing it for a, um, a

whole lot

of money. Anyway, I activated when Charter did - on

Chronopie's death.

Same Role PM, same role.

Wait, What?

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug, hmm, that's more at the end of the second day. Did he talk to you during twilight before he was killed?

Now that I've checked, LlamaFluff gave the second number to me post mortem. The mod must have allowed a grace period, since LF didn't appear to know he was dead yet.

I take it he didn't give any context with the numbers and that you're pretty sure that he was giving updates as they happened (and wasn't just holding out on giving the second for some reason?)

Nope. No context, no believed reason to be holding onto the second number.

[Plum]

Chrono: I'm a Universal backup, and except for rolename/Motive flavor most things went exactly as Charter described them. And last Night I targeted Shotty and got a result of 'Other'.

[farside22]

Chrono: I'm a Universal backup, and except for rolename/Motive flavor most things went exactly as Charter described them. And last Night I targeted Shotty and got a result of 'Other'.

I think chron is commenting on the fact that he is very much alive and you gain his ability seems a bit strange since he's alive an all.
Also I would think with 2 universal back up's one would get Param's motive cop while the other waits till another PR dies. 2 motive cops seem a bit one sided for town.
Question: Is there a town, other, and mafia result you will get when investigating a player? (this is to all motive cop people who claimed)

[Plum]

Oh. I got Parama's Other/Non-Other investigation ability. If I screwed up and put some other username in there I'm sorry. It's Other/Regular-Mafia-or-Town-but-no-indication-which as possible results.

[Zorblag]

@Chronopie, Plum pretty clearly means Parama rather Chronopie for the dying bit. You do realize that the timing of your miller claim is pretty suspect, right?

@StrangerCoug, in that case the sums of the numbers do add up to the players other than LlamaFluff alive in the game at those times. I'd guess it is some sort of breakdown; I'll let DrippingGoofball do a little speculating if she'd like. I was troubled by the 5 going down to a 2 after 3 town deaths but if it wasn't counting LlamaFluff to start with then that shouldn't be a town counter. Maybe I think it's the size of groups that can communicate to eachother? But that's not enough 1s for that. I guess I'll let it percolate a bit. Also, this could be completely the wrong track.

@farside22, I think it's clear that they're saying they get other/not other and nothing else but I'll let Plum confirm that. I agree a bit that it's odd both would get the same role but I don't know why they'd claim it like this if it weren't the case. Differing alignments with the same power makes more sense. Incidentally, I do like the contractor flavor in terms of this game better than the celebrity impersonator. If I had to guess it would be that charter is the non-town if there is one.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[StrangerCoug]

I thought the numbers were QT numbers, believe it or not. It makes somewhat better sense as a breakdown given your comment about them, though.

[Zorblag]

@animorpherv1, it's time to come back to the party! We all want to hear your thrilling claim!

Past that I guess we're waiting for Debonair Danny DiPietro for everything, a role flavor and motive from Gammagooey (unless I missed it) and I think that's it.

• The Living
  
  
• animorpherv1: No claim
  
• charter: town backup, inherited motive cop (other/not other cop) targeted LlamaFluff N2 (got not other)
  
• Chronopie: town/not town cop, miller. Targeted Fishythefish (not town) N1, Jack (town) N2; something about not sure how he would turn up for point factions
  
• d3x: Executive, faction transmitted a weak watcher result on Chronopie to Plum
  
• Debonair Danny DiPietro: No claim (not government by Troll)
  
• DrippingGoofball: Neutral Statistician/Census Taker (roleblocked N1, roleblocked N2), received role cop transmission on Jack
  
• Ellibereth: Secret Service, town bodyguard. Protected LlamaFluff N1, Chronopie N2.
  
• farside22: Tracker, tracked fishythefish to RedCoyote N1, Plum to Shotty to the Body N2
  
• Fishythefish: Judiciary, faction transmitted weak tracker result on Plum to Chronopie
  
• Gammagooey: Paranoid Gun Owner
  
• imaginality: Doctor (with protections that extend to the next day). Protected DrippingGoofball N1, Chronopie N2.
  
• StrangerCoug: Neighborizor, targeted LlamaFluff N1, UncertainKitten N2
  
• Plum: Some investigation on Shotty to the Body; received weak watcher on Chronopie
  
• popsofctown: Vanilla Townie, Country Music Superstar, not government by Troll
  
• RedCoyote: FBI tracker, roleblocked (or interfered in some way) N1, tracked charter to LlamaFluff N2
  
• Shotty to the Body: Legislature, transmitted a role cop result on Jack to DrippingGoofball
  
• UncertainKitten: Vig/neighborizer. Killed xvart N1; tried to target Plum N2, instead targeted Troll got redirected to Jack
  
• Zorblag: Sniper, shot at Debonair Danny DiPietro day one, popsofctown day two.
  
  
  The Dead
  
  
• Jack: Vanilla townie
  
• LlamaFluff: Town redirector. No results known
  
• Nicodemus: Vanilla townie
  
• Parama: Motive Cop. No results known
  
• Ojanen: Vanilla townie
  
• xvart: Legislature

@StrangerCoug, you've given me a new bit of information; right now I'm just trying to see where it fits with the rest of the puzzle that is my understanding of this game. I need not be right about the meaning at all.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[StrangerCoug]

I have this nag right now: If the numbers are a breakdown, then how'd I get a six-digit number, then a seven-digit number?

[Zorblag]

@StrangerCoug, I don't know yet; perhaps some factions can splinter? Again, I'm just throwing first guesses out there right now.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

@Ellibereth, does your body guard protection extend to the next day like imaginality's doctor protection does?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Oh, and that last claim list wasn't up to date.

• The Living
  
  
• animorpherv1: No claim
  
• charter: town backup, inherited motive cop (other/not other cop) targeted LlamaFluff N2 (got not other)
  
• Chronopie: town/not town cop, miller. Targeted Fishythefish (not town) N1, Jack (town) N2; miller affects points for branches
  
• Debonair Danny DiPietro: No claim (not government by Troll)
  
• DrippingGoofball: Neutral Statistician/Census Taker (roleblocked N1, roleblocked N2), received role cop transmission on Jack
  
• Ellibereth: Secret Service, town bodyguard. Protected LlamaFluff N1, Chronopie N2.
  
• farside22: Tracker, tracked fishythefish to RedCoyote N1, Plum to Shotty to the Body N2
  
• Fishythefish: Judiciary, faction transmitted weak tracker result on Plum to Chronopie
  
• Gammagooey: Paranoid Gun Owner
  
• imaginality: Doctor (with protections that extend to the next day). Protected DrippingGoofball N1, Chronopie N2.
  
• StrangerCoug: Neighborizor, targeted LlamaFluff N1, UncertainKitten N2
  
• Plum: town backup, inherited motive cop (other/not other cop); targetted Shotty to the Body N2 (got other); received weak watcher on Chronopie
  
• popsofctown: Vanilla Townie, Country Music Superstar, not government by Troll
  
• RedCoyote: FBI tracker, roleblocked (or interfered in some way) N1, tracked charter to LlamaFluff N2
  
• Shotty to the Body: Legislature, transmitted a role cop result on Jack to DrippingGoofball
  
• UncertainKitten: Vig/neighborizer. Killed xvart N1; tried to target Plum N2, instead targeted Troll got redirected to Jack
  
• Zorblag: Sniper, shot at Debonair Danny DiPietro day one, popsofctown day two.
  
  
  The Dead
  
  
• Jack: Vanilla townie
  
• LlamaFluff: Town redirector. No results known
  
• Nicodemus: Vanilla townie
  
• Parama: Motive Cop. No results known
  
• Ojanen: Vanilla townie
  
• xvart: Legislature

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[UncertainKitten]

They are in the employ of the government as far as I know.

So is the Army. But they're not "governing." Nor am I.

WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE POINTS I MADE ABOUT TROLL???

You are completely unreasonable. Why you would have to be, if you were scum.

what points? I've mostly disregarded anything you have to say since the unknown gaffe kinda makes you obv hostile.

@Troll: Ok, I understand. No need to shoot DGB, I'll handle it.

...wait.

Charter claims town/not town cop. Supposedly Parama was that. Supposedly Chronopie IS that. I do think we have some interesting situations here.

I can confirm SC's claim.

Wait, is it town/scum? The type of cop you are claiming?

But, alright, I understand your claim. So, we have

Two Trackers
Two Backups (cops)
Two Cops cops (one dead, confirmed town)

I get the feeling chrono needs to die.

I also get the feeling that the doubled roles aren't all town.

What chrono notices does make Plum more dubious...

OH, ok, I get it now, other/not other.

I'm confused as hell. I'm not sure who to shoot, but I'm PRETTY sure it's going to be one of our doubled roles.

[Zorblag]

Mod: Could we please get a prod on animorpherv1?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Ellibereth]

I die if the person I'm protecting is targetted.
Protects as normal.

[Zorblag]

@Ellibereth, and DrippingGoofball's chances of being government?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

@Zorblag: yes, I know a miller role makes me more suspect, but it wasn't an issue (so I thought), until the points boards came into play. At which point I figured I needed to clarify, so as not to be mistakenly power-lynched.

--

FTR I think that atleast one of the point scoring factions would be anti-town inclined. i.e gain points for town lynching. No point to having 3 town aligned non-hostile groups.

--

I don't see why charter is claiming to be town/non-town, when Plum is claiming the same role is other/non-other...

[Ellibereth]

@Ellibereth, and DrippingGoofball's chances of being government?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I believe whatever she said. So yeah, nil.

[Chronopie]

@Zorblag: yes, I know a miller role makes me more suspect, but it wasn't an issue (so I thought), until the points boards came into play. At which point I figured I needed to clarify, so as not to be mistakenly power-lynched.

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FTR I think that atleast one of the point scoring factions would be anti-town inclined. i.e gain points for town lynching. No point to having 3 town aligned non-hostile groups.

--

I don't see why charter is claiming to be town/non-town, when Plum is claiming the same role is other/non-other...

UK screwed that up.

[Zorblag]

I'm the town backup (celebrity impersonator). I inherited the role of the first town power role who isn't a one shot died. This was Parama day one. I got his whole PM. I didn't get to use it day one, just last night.

Parama's role is a motive cop (high school civics teacher). Motive cop essentially tells me if someone is an 'Other'. Llama was not 'Other'. I used it on him after he made some comment about believing Fishy's claim, I thought Llama might have a similar role.

@Chronopie, he's claiming to be an other/not other cop. Why was it you weren't worried about getting, say, investigated. That's what would a miller would normally have to do with. I don't think I would even have thought that it would affect the transmission if I were in your place (and telling the truth.)

@Ellibereth, you do realize that she's said that she's trying to figure out how many people fall into which alignments including unknown, right? She's claimed other already; if you're town why would you simply take her claim at face value? That seems unwise unless you've got some reason that you're not sharing.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

...wait.

Charter claims

town/not town

other/non-other cop. Supposedly Parama was that. Supposedly Chronopie IS

that

town/not town cop. I do think we have some interesting situations here.

Two Trackers
Two Backups (Other/non-other cops)
Two Cops cops (one other/non-other dead, confirmed town. One Town/non-town, claimed miller)

I get the feeling chrono needs to die.

Matter of (Flawed) opinion

I also get the feeling that the doubled roles aren't all town.

What chrono notices does make Plum more dubious...

OH, ok, I get it now, other/not other.

I'm confused as hell. I'm not sure who to shoot, but I'm PRETTY sure it's going to be one of our doubled roles.

Just fixing the flaws.

[Ellibereth]

@Ellibereth, you do realize that she's said that she's trying to figure out how many people fall into which alignments including unknown, right? She's claimed other already; if you're town why would you simply take her claim at face value? That seems unwise unless you've got some reason that you're not sharing.

I don't get your point. I don't think she's lying.

[Zorblag]

@Ellibereth, why would people have unknown alignments for the census? When the game is over I'd be pretty surprised if anyone was listed as unknown. Unless alignments are mutable for some (and that might be the case but I don't see why we'd assume it is) she probably wouldn't be looking for them. What I don't get here is why you're so ready to believe whatever she says. She's clearly not been leading the town in useful directions this game.

I've also pointed out why she'd have good reasons to lie about her alignment if she's government. Why is it you seem certain that she's not?

I know that you're better at thinking things through than this; it's a blind spot for you that makes no sense right now.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Chronopie]

I figured that a cop investigation would give me time to claim, w/out getting power lynched. The points boards OTOH would immediately have 5 clamouring for blood, assuming they all gain points for Scum lynch, w/out giving me time for a claim, that wouldn't sound full of shit.

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DGB claimed that she guesses unknown as a faction, whereas unknown is only a dead man's flip...

[Chronopie]

x-post w/ trolls last.