Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[Ellibereth]

oigetit!
Sorry, attention level lower than usual. Finals.
There are 6 gov right? Is there one missing?

[Zorblag]

@Ellibereth, there are two missing if it's really 6 (it probably is.) My best bets right now are animorpherv1 and DrippingGoofball. You seem to have been ruling DrippingGoofball out and I was trying to figure out why.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Ellibereth]

I wasn't paying attention.
The claim looked real when I skimmed though because I didn't think a GOV member would FAKECLAIM since it would be look obvobv after massclaims.
But that unknown thing is good.
So yeah.

[Gammagooey]

Troll-Motive is to prevent anyone from taking away my right to protect myself with a ludicrous number of guns.

Waitan for the massclaim to finish.

[Zorblag]

@Gammagooey, it doesn't really matter as (now that I remember your early flavor claim of NRA Spokesman) I'm pretty sure you're not government but do you know if you would have killed me if I targeted you with a day vig attempt?

@everyone, once the mass claim is done I'll probably be getting close to ready to shoot. If you'd like input in the decision about who I aim for making it sooner rather than later might be of use. Here's what I'm thinking thus far:

Government (pretty sure kills): d3x, Fishythefish, Shotty to the Body
Possibly government (in a rough order): animorverph1, DrippingGoofball, imaginality (and that's a bit of a stretch)
Probably not government for various reasons: charter, Chronopie, Ellibereth, farside22, Gammagooey, StrangerCoug, Plum, RedCoyote, UncertainKitten
Definitely not government (I've already taken those shots): Debonair Danny DiPietro, popsofctown

If anyone objects to placement on that list of people I'm happy to talk about it. If anyone thinks it's better to take out someone we're sure of (and has an opinion about who) or if it's better to test one of the ones we're less sure of do tell. As I've said, I've got no reason not to work with town with this.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Gammagooey]

Role PM just mentions night actions, I would think you would live.

[UncertainKitten]

...wait.

Charter claims

town/not town

other/non-other cop. Supposedly Parama was that. Supposedly Chronopie IS

that

town/not town cop. I do think we have some interesting situations here.

Two Trackers
Two Backups (Other/non-other cops)
Two Cops cops (one other/non-other dead, confirmed town. One Town/non-town, claimed miller)

I get the feeling chrono needs to die.

Matter of (Flawed) opinion

I also get the feeling that the doubled roles aren't all town.

What chrono notices does make Plum more dubious...

OH, ok, I get it now, other/not other.

I'm confused as hell. I'm not sure who to shoot, but I'm PRETTY sure it's going to be one of our doubled roles.

Just fixing the flaws.

That's nice. If you can explain WHY it's flawed your opinion would gain value.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Claim: Small Business Owner, Vanilla Townie

I'm really annoyed that this whole other's discussion has taken over the town because I think it's a distraction and a mistake. With three point factions it makes the most sense to me that at least one of them earns points for scum assists rather than town assists so one could be feeding the others bad information to help themselves. And second, even if they are all town aligned one could easily be lying to the other to try and trick them into being on a town lynch to earn them negative points and gain an advantage that way. If I was part of an other faction and outed I'd certainly be spinning lies to confuse the other other factions.

Next, DGB's claim appears to be fake. Whether that means she's a governmental other or scum I'm not yet sure but I don't like or trust either alignment.

Next I think it's obviously likely that one of charter/Plum and farside/RC are each scum, even with the slight differences in the alleged roles far too similar for me to feel comfortable with both sides of the equation being town.

DGB did raise one good point recently I think about Zorblag in that it's very odd how he had the opportunity to ice someone in a government faction allegedly yesterday and chose not to.

Pops is still extremely scummy.

[Shotty to the Body]

I considered that for a while too DiPeitro, but the way my abilities are scored it just wouldn't be balanced if one team was scored based on scum objectives. Of course, that's just my take on it based on the info I was given.

[RedCoyote]

Fishy, you asked me why I didn't just assume I was stopped from an outside administrative force. I answered that in the post where I made my claim, but to clarify, that's originally what I assumed had happened. If you recall, I was initially pretty torn at the beginning of Day 2, switching from you to Jack and back again. What swayed me over was the fact that farside said you visited me and you refused (and still refuse) to tell us what action you had.

With all the claims that have been given at this point, I think I get what limitations my role has. Elli's claim explains why I didn't get any results on Llama now, so I've got a pretty darn good feeling about him. Zorblag feels okay, UK and DDD too. I was hard on farside earlier, but now I'm not so sure. We do have a lot of power roles, but, given all the claims, charter and pops seem the most scummy to me. charter for obvious reasons as he shot Llama, but pops moreso because of his awkward role claim. I still don't really get how a country star fits into the scheme. Also I don't really get what Plum is saying... she saying she knows charter is telling the truth about the role because she has the same role? Huh? That needs to be cleared up. Either this game has a lot of duplicates or a lot of people scum/other power roles.

farside, do you have any limitations to your tracking?

But so far Plum is the only person who has really been able to stand up for charter and say firmly that she doesn't believe he is lying about his role. To put it bluntly, I feel as though we have a caught mafia here, and I don't want him to be swept under the rug for playing a points game with the government roles.

[Zorblag]

Yeah, I'm pretty tired now and should probably wait till tomorrow to make this decision but I think I've got the information that I'm going to get usefully today.

If one of a couple crazy things happens and I don't post any more I'd look for scum in the following order I think:

popsofctown, Chronopie, charter, imaginality, StrangerCoug

You can take that advice or not, it doesn't concern me too much one way or another as I don't need town to win. That's just where my suspicions lie at the moment.

Most likely I'll have more to post later tomorrow.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Fishythefish]

@Fishythefish, by your assumptions could Chronopie and DrippingGoofball have different alignments or do they have to both be mafia or both be other? I think it looks like you're getting that they have to have the same alignment.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I'll comment on this when Chrono answered me. For now, you are correct in at least thinking I have more to say on the link between their alignments. There are slight complications due to mystery roles.

@Chrono: ofc zoraster is hardly going to confirm the existence of point scorers to you. But for me, it seems unlikely that a miller acts as scum for points factions. It's just not an investigation.

You claim to be a town/not-town miller. Have you asked how you would show up to an other/not-other or a scum/not-scum investigation?

[Chronopie]

I thought od that not long after I asked about whether miller would affect the point baord, and Zorb asked. Answer: Not other,

Scum

.

[Fishythefish]

OK. Then here is exactly where I am:

I used a mystery action on each of the last two nights. First night, it didn't resolve (99% sure). Second night, it probably did. If it did, I know how it scored (I targetted a dead person), and then for the purposes of my points faction at least, DGB and Chrono have the same alignment. If the action did not resolve, then I need to do rather worse - this guarantees Chrono scum and DGB other.

So. If Chrono is telling the truth, either:
1. DGB is scum, and Chrono "looks like scum to pointers"
2. DGB is other, Chrono "looks like scum to pointers", AND a rare event occurred with respect to my mystery action, so that it failed to resolve. (For comparison, an example of a similarly rare event; if you have no reason to believe that Player X got protected by a doctor last night, Player X having been protected by a doctor is a rare event).

For myself, I doubt that Chrono looks like scum to pointers, because it's not an investigation. If he does, DGB scum becomes likely. If DGB is indeed other, Chrono other becomes very likely.

I'm still trying to get onto my partner to have two heads on this analysis, and to talk about the possibility of me claiming this mystery action.

[RedCoyote]

Fishy, do you get points only at night? Also, wouldn't it be best for you to focus on getting rid of the other points factions, or are you connected with them in some way? I guess what I'm getting at is, do you have certain lynches that give your team the most benefit, meaning you are steering the town in a particular direction regardless of whether it will help us or not?

In other news, is ani the only one left not claimed?

DGB, how does your census count score interact with our other "others"? Are you purely separate from them or do you have some sort of alliance with anyone?

Zorblag, how is the Sniper different from a Vig again?

Right now I'm seriously trying to figure who exactly is on our side, because the only people I trust are those who both claimed town and who I think are telling the truth.

[zoraster]

ATTENTION

d3x the Secretary of State part of the Executive was sniped

FishytheFish the Chief Justice of SCOTUS part of the Judiciary was sniped

Shotty to the Body the Senate Majority Leader part of the Legislature was sniped

animorpherv1 the Secretary of Defense part of the Executive was sniped

[zoraster]

Day 3 Vote Count

charter ( 4 ) imaginality StrangerCoug RedCoyote UncertainKitten
Chronopie ( 0 )
d3x ( 0 )
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 1 ) popsofctown
Ellibereth ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Gammagooey ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
StrangerCoug ( 0 )
animorpherv1 ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro
RedCoyote ( 0 )
Shotty to the Body ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 0 )
Plum ( 0 )
Zorblag ( 1 ) DrippingGoofball
Not Voting ( 7 ) Gammagooey charter Zorblag farside22 Plum Chronopie Ellibereth
Total Votes ( 14 )

Deadline: June 4th at 23:00 EDT
With 14 able to vote, 8 needed to lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

....wow.

Well, aren't you amazing, Zorb?

Leave it to a Vi influenced game to have an limited unlimited Dayvig.

Soooooooooooooooooooooo, now what, Mr. Troll?

[Ellibereth]

At school now.
Troll shot DGB too. she is not gov.

[Zorblag]

I'm busy for much of the day, but yeah. DrippingGoofball was the next target on my list. She's not government. If I take a shot that hits I can shoot again. As of now I think that will no longer matter but we've got many fewer distractions to worry about.

I'll have more this afternoon.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Oh, and I'm not sure what's up with the vote count. I don't know why either charter or I would be voting for me or why our votes don't count. I assume that's a mistake.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Mod here: Ifixed the vote count

[farside22]

farside, do you have any limitations to your tracking?

No.

Not sorry to see those people shot or dead truthfully. It was the most confusing thing in this game for me.

[farside22]

I'm going to do this till I really get my barings in this game.

##vote: Pops

[UncertainKitten]

Still not sure what to make of Charter's claim, but if there's a town/scum backup situation, I would figure he's the scum back up given the track, so I'll keep my vote on him.

[DrippingGoofball]

NOW I believe Troll's claim. Fireworks and all.

....wow.

Well, aren't you amazing, Zorb?

Leave it to a Vi influenced game to have an limited unlimited Dayvig.

Soooooooooooooooooooooo, now what, Mr. Troll?

So.

We have an unlimited dayvig.

And your claim, UK, is also vig???