NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[The Goat]

Hi.

See...I was on Chrono, and was convinced he WAS the scummiest until I got a read on Leafsnail.

Chrono's claim of vanilla town pretty much ENSURES him of death. Which then turns into a WIFOM argument about why he claimed such.

Any objections should probably speak soon. Hammer raised.

[Chronopie]

If the Chronopie lynch gets rid of a giant obstacle for everyone else (more so the Townies than the scum), there's little sense in complaining tbh.

If this is your opinion, why don't/haven't you vote(d) me?

Anyway, as a 'nilla, I have no problem with dying, as long as the town has a net gain in information. look to those who pushed for little/no reason.

[Vi]

If the Chronopie lynch gets rid of a giant obstacle for everyone else (more so the Townies than the scum), there's little sense in complaining tbh.

If this is your opinion, why don't/haven't you vote(d) me?

Anyway, as a 'nilla, I have no problem with dying, as long as the town has a net gain in information.

look to those who pushed for little/no reason.

This post is a trap, isn't it

I prefer voting people I expect to flip scum. Something about not being a sheep and being Captain Of My Soul and suchlike.

[askbob]

My top two suspicions are pman and nahmenn. Nahmen doesn't say a whole lot of anything until he's attacked then suddenly its pages upon pages. That doesn't add up for me. Also a roleblocker role while possible IMO is rather unlikely and has a higher likelihood of hurting the town. Also I agree with paranama above. Nahmen goes from posting hardly anything to posting books, to posting nothing. That seems like scum to me. While I wanted to prolong the day phase with voting pman and getting him to speak up, I'm comfortable after reading his posting amount to suspect that he's mafia. I mean posting a lot when you're attacked, posting nothing when suspicion dies down. Unvote pmann, Vote Nhammen

With that said i may just be more suspicious of him because pman has had like 3 posts. One of them hopping on the nahmen bandwagon without any discussion and a post back 4 pages saying he was "going to catch up" I think he's lurking.

I'm was voting pmann in an attempt to prolong the day phase so that pman and some other silent people speak up.

The first one is barely scumhunting. The second one occurred after your PBPA, so that one is not an instance of the scum hunting that you mentioned in the PBPA.

Defends himself

:

wait wtf? He wasn't saying he could if he wanted to? I he was rolefishing. I don't know how you can't get that from what he said.

How have I done no scumhunting? I just went through the entire thread and counted posts and found some lurkers.

I also don't really buy that there is a townie roleblocker.

So my suspicions are the lurker list above combined with you. Particularly pman as I said above, he's had like 3 posts, 1 of them randomly jumping on the wagon with no analysis.

Since i want this day phase to last longer and get pman to slip up: Unvote Vote pman

First one is a fail defense, because vezo's quote was "You can claim if you want"[/quote]

Yeah with a "you're scum and you're dead" before that. Pretty much saying that he was screwed and he should claim. I don't know how you can read that any differently. Why would you even hint that he could claim? How is that beneficial when he isn't any where near being lynched?

Second one is after I said he was not scum hunting. His answer is, yes I am, I just found tons of lurkers! Notice: lurker hunting =/= scum hunting. I asked him after this "defense" of his, why he thought most of the scum were lurking. His response: well, he hasn't responded yet. And his attack on pman is just a parrot of my attack on pman, since you love using that as a scumtell. Note: I don't think that is as much of a scumtell as you claim it is."

Are you kidding me? I don't know what mafia games you've played before, but the ones I played, scum lurked. Rarely did townies post less than scum. And are you shitting me? I'm the FIRST ONE who called out pman. I don't know where you ever had a suspicion of him before me? Might wanna read back on that. I read every freakin page and tallied up the posts. I really doubt you called out pman before me. Why do I think most scum lurk? Simple because its easier for them to post 6 posts like pman and say nothing. You can't even get an accurate read on a player if they don't post. I mean seriously pressure the bastards into playing then you can make them squirm and get a read. pman has done nothing. Why on earth would a townie lurk? Can you give me an answer to that? I mean seriously it'd be different if he was just busy and when he did post he posted analysis and it was just infrequent. But this guy posts "hold on i'm catching up" then never posts again? Like seriously?? At least contribute minimally or be replaced. It looks to me like pman is posting the bare minimum to not be prodded. I don't know how everyone else is fine with that. Where I played scum lurked. It wasn't a all scum = lurkers. But the majority of scum lurked.

[askbob]

If the Chronopie lynch gets rid of a giant obstacle for everyone else (more so the Townies than the scum), there's little sense in complaining tbh.

If this is your opinion, why don't/haven't you vote(d) me?

Anyway, as a 'nilla, I have no problem with dying, as long as the town has a net gain in information. look to those who pushed for little/no reason.

That has to be the worse defense I've ever seen. I don't know what your meta is on playing vanilla townies. But whenever I played on another site, I would have never done this.

I mean if I would have gone down and been this close and then become resigned to the fact that I was gonna die, I'd post a LIST of people I thought were mafia so that when I flipped town, the other townies would have a clear idea of my last suspicions. I'm pretty sure you're scum but either way it should be helpful.

Chronopie, who do you think are scum.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

To say that only scum lurk the majority of the time, is pure WIFOM IMHO is you ask me jimbob.~

It depends on the player, not the role assigned to them.

-shrugs-

But what do I know??

[Chronopie]

I'll make this easier for you.

Raising the Hammer myself. k. Anything else anyone wants to say?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Unvote

*raises eyebrow* How about that?

I dislike self hammerers.~

[Chronopie]

If we get another VC anytime soon, then I'll run a wagon analysis on my wagon.

[MichelSableheart]

animorpherv1 replaces Seraphim, votecount coming up shortly.

[MichelSableheart]

Sixteenth vote count of day 1:

askbob (0):
Chronopie (11):

Unsight, Leafsnail, Dry-fit, foilist13, Super Smash Bros. Fan, vezopiraka, LynchMePls, SerialClergyman, Parama, nhammen, Pomegranate

Dr. Robotnik (1):

Sevis

Dry-fit (0):
Faraday (0):
foilist13 (1):

Chronopie

Leafsnail (1):

The Goat

Lowell (1):

askbob

LynchMePls (0):
Midnight's Sorrow (0):
nhammen (2):

Seraphim, pman5595

Parama (1):

Timeater

pman5595 (0):
Pomegranate (0):
Seraphim (0):
SerialClergyman (0):
Sevis (2):

Vi, Lowell

SGRaaize (0):
Super Smash Bros. Fan (0):
The Goat (0):
Timeater (0):
Unsight (0):
vezopiraka (0):
Vi (0):

Not Voting (4):

SGRaaize, Dr. Robotnik, Faraday, Midnight's Sorrow

With 24 players alive, it takes 13 votes to lynch someone.

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Sevis has not posted in the last 48 hours, and will be prodded.

LynchMePls will have limited access from wednesday 26th till monday 1st.

[Parama]

Mod, can I be a triple voter please?

[Leafsnail]

No selfhammering if you're town. Seeing who is prepared to hammer and who isn't prepared to hammer is useful information.

Although, since you're scum, you're probably just telling your buddies it's time for one of them to hammer you for town cred.

Complying with Vi's request to STFU a bit.

While I'm grateful one person listened, I don't think I was referring to you per se

Well, you did.

But I'm seeing a lot of you/Parama/Leafsnail/whoever pushing cases I honestly think are wrongsighted and much back-and-forth catfighting about it while the people I mentioned previously scoot by. It is helping me gain a read on YOU, but I already have a read on you and don't particularly need another one.

Which is a fair point. Hence the quieting down.

Midnight's Sorrow's posts are still looking insanely passive. As in, he only ever comments on arguments, not people. It's starting to get wearing.

[vezopiraka]

Someone lynch chronopie for the sake of god. He's clearly a werewolf.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

But the arguments are far more interesting then the people Leaf.

[Leafsnail]

But the arguments are far more interesting then the people Leaf.

But we're not lynching arguments, are we?

[Parama]

Daykill: The Arguments

Now we're getting somewhere.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

But the arguments are far more interesting then the people Leaf.

But we're not lynching arguments, are we?

But its the arguments that people make that end up getting them lynched right?

[vezopiraka]

If you guys don't hammer chrono please say why not.

[Chronopie]

Post on my wagon coming soon.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

If you guys don't hammer chrono please say why not.

Not allowing a man the chance to give one last ditch effort to defend himself from the case presented of him,by hammering him , is a stupid and scummy thing to do.

If what he has to say does not do anything to make him less scummy in my eyes, my vote will go back on him, but not a moment before.

We cool??

[Chronopie]

Chronopie (11):

Unsight, Leafsnail, Dry-fit, foilist13, Super Smash Bros. Fan, vezopiraka, LynchMePls, SerialClergyman, Parama, nhammen, Pomegranate

Unsight

Votes me for saying that a cop could also be a mason (note: This was after I confused a couple of concurrently running werewolf + mafia games), Later mentions that he's happy with the vote based on my mentioning the

Fact

that a Mason can also be a werewolf, paired with my fail xgame-reference. Believes me to be a ww at that point.

Leafsnail

Picks me out as scum for little/no reason, doesn't mention me for a while, votes for askbob, re-votes me in the next post, for me voting nhammen. appears to not accept anything other than chrono is scum, for an answer. Impressively manages look at other people while continuing to baselessly call me scum.

Dry-Fit

Votes me for disbelieving that a roleblocker is a town role. little voicing of suspicion apart from that.

Foilist

Actually posts an analysis of my play, takes my semi-sarcastic post on 'If you flip the coin' to be a genuine flawed contribution. Follows by non-specific accusations of rolefishing and crap-poosting. and a lack of scum-hunting, because I've been on the defensive. Continues to call my defensive attempts active lurking. Actually a reasoned vote, overall, if misguided.

SSBF

Actually accuses me of fluff posting, role-fishing, and question dodging. but ranks me 3rd behind Dr. Robonik and Nhammen at that point. Votes me several post later, basically calling me useless.

Vez

we have this gem:

Great. Maybe we get chronopie lynched and I could actually do some scumhunting in this game.

Unvote;Vote Chronopie

Oh. And don't worry about my many votes and unvotes. It's my usual playstyle both as scum and as town.

No reasons, no accusations, questions, or scumhunting to speak of. Jumps on just when my wagons starts looking popular. If Vez weren't double confirmed, would make my scum list. Playing worse than I am.

LMP

Votes me for coming to the mistaken conclusion that LMP is a cop, because I had the impression that he had some clearing info on Vez-mason (also monk). Later votes nhammen. Hops back on my wagon in his very last post before his V/LA:

I agree with Faraday, this

day is lasting WAY to long

. I think CP is scum.

He has a big wagon

, and I support his lynch.

Shameless wagon voting, just to end the day.

SerialClergyman

Woot, wagon on someone scummy.

True to my word: unvote, vote Chronopie

need I post more? :!:

Parama

No reason on his latest vote, just a vote, and begging to string up nhammen next. little suspicion voiced beforehand.

Nhammen

Says very little on me, afaict votes me 'cos everyone else is. i.e. wagon vote.

Pom

Votes just to put me back at L-1, absolutely no content to speak of, related to me. no accusations, almost no mention. can you say 'wagon' :!:

Midnight's sorrow

I am happy with one as well.~

Wagon vote. OTOH, my self hammer gambit did cause him to unvote long enough for me to write all this.[/quote]

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Based on this.

Unvote, vote: Pom

FoS: SC, LMP, Parama, and Nhammen

[vezopiraka]

@chrono: too little too late. Also big slip. You said unsight accused you of being ww not mafioso. If you flip scum I know who to lynch tomorrow.

[Vi]

<words>

Based on this.

Unvote, vote: Pom
FoS: SC, LMP, Parama, and Nhammen

That's incredibly poor. If Chronopie flips scum I'd vote Dry-fit immediately.

Also big slip. You said unsight accused you of being ww not mafioso. If you flip scum I know who to lynch tomorrow.

...but Unsight DID accuse Chronopie of being a werewolf... Am I missing something?

[vezopiraka]

How could unsight knew he was a werewolf and not a mafioso?