Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[My Milked Eek]

Yo, reapercharlie, any reason why you believe dry-fit's dream, but not kise's dna story?

Reapercharlie is a bit too keen on having the current alliance disbanded and having one of his own.

I'd need to go back and check whether rc was very anti-alliance or if that were other people as that is not sitting all too well with me.

He was pro. But a bit too eager to belong to it, judging by his iso.

[ReaperCharlie]

Each day, more dreams get added to the mix, and only 50% of them are true.

Funny, you say this like you know it's true.
Now, I wonder, where did you get that idea from?


@ SpyreX: I don't buy it.


@ My Milked Eek: What proof is there that any of the dreams have been

wrong

thus far? There were 2 the first night and 2 the second:

Night 1:

-Dry-fit > Spyrex > bitten by werewolf
-Reck > animorpherv1 > Lunatic

(Proven true)

Night 2:

-Spyrex > Shattered > townie
-don_johnson > Deer > townie

What's to say they can't

all

be true? The only person I have seen begin to disagree with them is SpyreX and that's because the dreams show him to be scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, I still don't see why SpyreX is pushing for a

Deer

lynch. It seems like mere omgus if nothing else. And if anything, were I in SpyreX's spot, I would be going after crypto, who is the next most likely lynch.

What SpyreX is doing does NOT MAKE SENSE, regardless of whether his claim is half-believable or not. Which is another reason why I'm voting SpyreX and not someone else.

[My Milked Eek]

@ My Milked Eek: What proof is there that any of the dreams have been

wrong

thus far? There were 2 the first night and 2 the second:

What a stupid question is this? "What proof is there that the dreams have been wrong thus far?" So far the tested dreams are 100% true. Not going to deny that, no one is, I'm just not ignoring that 75% of the dreams so far hasn't been tested yet. It is very possible that some dreams are fabricated. There's no proof for it, but there's also no proof against it. It is a possibility, just as much as it is a possibility they are all true. I'm just more prone to going with the worst case scenario (some dreams are lies) instead of rushed euphoria over what may be a lie.

We have a more tangible and less dependant of an unknown scum fabicating it claim. If Kise is lying, lynch him, if he isn't, kudos to him. What are we going to do if Spyrex isn't bitten? Lynch the evil scum behind it? Well, tough luck, we don't know who is behind these dreams and until we do know, I suggest just keeping them in mind and not lynching upon them anymore.

[Kise]

You can't coach a wizard..

Also, the crypto result is not due to a dream. I was quite awake this morning.

[Kise]

Ah, shit, so this is a cult game...

[My Milked Eek]

You can't coach a wizard..

Also, the crypto result is not due to a dream. I was quite awake this morning.

This is why I want us to pursue your claim first, we know

where

it came from. While we pursue your claim first, we can have more dreams and decide the dreams fate then if needed.

[Lowell]

Not to get too inanely setup-guessy with the dream scenarios, but my first instinct would be to say that we ought to consider the possibility that there's a TOWN dream-mechanism and a SCUM dream-mechanism.

On the other hand, clearly at least someone is receiving reliable dreams (reck), and I'm still struggling to figure out why a scum dreamsender/dreamgiver would use a fake dream to give an innocent result. That seems bascially useless.

Long way of saying I'm inclined to believe the dreamers at this point, and I basically agree with 1028.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, well put. So I put this question to you: Which of the following would be smarter?

1. Testing/challenging one of the Day 2 dreams/whatevers, and still being no closer to finding out whether the dreams are credible?; or
2. Testing the second Day 1 dream, lynching SpyreX and finding out if we have 100% accuracy in dreams? (not counting Kise's DNA sample, which is not a dream).

To me, the benefits of the latter outweigh the benefits of the former.

And for a bonus, I'm much more leery of leaving SpyreXscum alive than [insertnamehere]scum, so.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ 1028/1032: 1033.

[crypto]

Vote: cyrpto

A bus, kupo?

Crypto, why would I get a result that implies you targeted Chronopie night 1 (now that I think about it, maybe night 2... but still, you'd have to be IN the tunnels to target Chrono night 2)?

I don't know, Kise. I was unaware that you've never come across the extremely common concept that investigative results are not always legitimate. Shame, really. You can draw your own conclusions, smart ass.

*cough!* I must have totally missed that Kise/crypto thing; now that I look, I see that it was concurrent with when I was being omgus'd by the mods.

Cute. New theorem, guys: Mafia players should follow every single guilty report in every single game, automatically and indiscriminately.

Unvote. Vote: ReaperCharlie.

I had a dream where you were scum. Please confess, self-vote, and be lynched now.

[Kise]

It doesn't matter what order the lynches happen. We have yet to see a wolf die so lessening the numbers of these groups will make the scumteams act under more pressure. That to me is better than having them live and work as a group.

I'm pretty sure we'll get more dreams to confirm/condemn people tomorrow. Spyrex would be killed if not lynched, and vice versa for crypto. The order doesn't matter but, judging by Nightson being eaten by one group, I'd say the vampires ate Chrono. Crypto can have his last meal tonight and may actually crosskill. In addition, he may be the last vampire if my math is correct.

[My Milked Eek]

[protip]Kise's crypto information is not a dream and perfectly traceable to its origin.[/protip]

Gathering more dreams will lead to a more global look on the dreams, right now we have, 2x "Innocent", 1 x "Lunatic" and 1 x "Spyrex got bitten by a werewolf". If we can add 2 more dreams to that then we'll have a clearer picture and we can judge which dreams are more likely to be fabricated or not. Right now, you're just taking blind shots and hoping you didn't miss.

I'm not saying this particular dream isn't true, well technically I sort of have as I'm leaning towards believing spyrex, but I'm saying right now that we should slow down on the dream chase. Besides, Spyrex remains bitten by a wolf tomorrow and he won't run away.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I'm pretty sure that Sprexy should DIE.

Soonest.

[inHimshallibe]

My bad, Kise, didn't read the scene that close. For now, it's plausible.

That claim is bad.

unvote
vote: SpyreX

[Kise]

Then, like, vote and stuff. (SV)

[crypto]

Why, inHimshallibe?

[My Milked Eek]

After trying to persuade people the wagon is going too fast, some more jump on. Is my English that unintelligible tonight?

[SpyreX]

Also, I still don't see why SpyreX is pushing for a Deer lynch. It seems like mere omgus if nothing else. And if anything, were I in SpyreX's spot, I would be going after crypto, who is the next most likely lynch.

What SpyreX is doing does NOT MAKE SENSE, regardless of whether his claim is half-believable or not. Which is another reason why I'm voting SpyreX and not someone else.

Really? Really? Yes, I am omgusing Deer in bizarro world where I've been all over his ass since the getgo.

I'm not going after crypto because I still think crypto is town. Although since Kise has cleared up his business its looking like a 1-1 there but even then I'd still lean towards Kise hard first if it has to be tested.

Those dreams, guaranteed, are not all true. Especially since, if somehow my dream was true, there would be some kind of corresponding dream similar for the next night. Which there isn't. Its just ohh hay there's three cop-dreams and then some kinda bizarro dream but sure they all work.

MME is a bastion of sanity and if activity stays up I would put his as my absolute #1 town read.

[crypto]

Agreeing with you = most town, Spyre?

[SpyreX]

No, MME isn't buying into the all dreams are real business.

I dont think I've seen eye to eye but YEA I'm sure enough you're town that even with DNA gate I'd bet on the other side.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm....

-Spyrex buddying with one of the few not voting him (MME) and saying he's the most town.

-Crypto claims he's gonna hop on SpyreX wagon, then ignoring SpyreX and voting for me instead (as a joke?)

-Spyrex was all for jumping a dream-wagon yesterday and quicklynching into tonight, but today he's not so keen on the idea... oops.

The Kise/crypto situation can and should be be dealt with tomorrow, after SpyreX. If he flips town, I'll eat my hat. I'll eat ALL your bloody hats.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm pretty sure that Sprexy should DIE.

Soonest.

um?....

Then, like, vote and stuff. (SV)

This.

[SpyreX]

Yessir I was. I might not have been had dry-fit mentioned his N1 dream then because at that point it would have been obvious the dreams were garbage.

Why is SV in your new alliance? Does, in fact, my dream have anything to do with that?

HRRMMM its a mystery isn't it.

[Kise]

Spyrex has a dream that SV is innocent, then the Wizard is reported to be a wolf recruit. MME is doing his best to attack the wagon, earlier saying scum hopped on due to the speed. SV voices agreement with Spy dying, but doesn't place a vote.

I'd say those are three wolfmen right there.