Mini 954 ~ Mafia at the 11th Hour (Game Over!)

[d3x]

Any timeframe on that V/LA, Pork? Also, have a great & safe trip!

[Percy]

Re-reading the game over the weekend.

No Lynch is almost certainly what we should be doing today.

[VP Baltar]

*jealous of Porkens*

Have a fun trip.

I see no real reason to lynch today.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLVI:

- An unnatural compulsion forces you to continue...

Percy (L-4) ~

Trumpet of Doom (L-5) ~
No Lynch (L-5) ~ Porkens

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

d3x, Percy, Trumpet of Doom,

Porkens,

Herodotus, VP Baltar

--You are in MyLo!

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[Percy]

Well that's interesting.

Does anyone town want to own up to this, or should I assume a scum or a vengeful (understandably but sadly misguided) townie is responsible?

[Trumpet of Doom]

Well that's interesting.

Indeed it is.

I need to reread Percy and d3x at some point, but unless I suddenly discover something really scummy that Percy did, NL is by far the best of the feasible lynch options ( = the ones that don't require someone to self-vote).

[VP Baltar]

I can really only assume Porkens had something to do with it since he was the most suspicious of Percy.

I'd definitely like some explanation of it from the source before we end this day (ie, why now and why Percy?).

[Herodotus]

Considering that Porkens voted No Lynch, I could believe it might not be Porkens who did this.

Judging by the link-text in both of the votecounts, a no lynch might be impossible. I'll test a second vote.

vote: No Lynch

[Vi]

Vote Count XLVII:

- But thou must!

Percy (L-4) ~
No Lynch (L-4) ~ Porkens, Herodotus

Trumpet of Doom (L-5) ~
Porkens (L-5) ~

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

d3x, Percy, Trumpet of Doom,

Herodotus,

VP Baltar

--You are in MyLo!

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[VP Baltar]

Ghost could imply someone who is dead used their ability? dram perhaps?

Sort of like a vengeful townie vote manipulator instead of killing or something.

[Herodotus]

That seems likely.
I'm pretty sure that if the extra vote is from a dead player, it must be a townie, because if scum controlled three votes right now it would be LyLo instead of MyLo.

The confusing things are:
After Porkens's vote, ToD, and after my vote, Porkens, showed up in the votecounts; and
It seems to take 5 votes to lynch, which normally means there are 9 or 10 votes in play.

New theory: every dead player (or if the lynch threshold is in fact six, every dead player except for one) is able to vote. And there are 2 dead players voting Percy, 1 voting ToD, 1 voting Porkens, and some uncertain number voting No Lynch. That's awesome. If this theory is correct, this may be the best new mechanic ever.

It still seems like we might want to No Lynch, but I'm less certain.

[d3x]

Also of note is that the Battery hasn't started depleting yet.

I'm also trying to sort out why the Ghost Votes are where they are. I can understand Pork and ToD, but why is Percy so popular with the presumed dead? And why

isn't

No Lynch?

[Porkens]

One more check-in before the flights begin.

I'm contuzed about the ghost votes, if that is indeed what they are, but I wouldn't encourage too much speculation unless you can prove that they

change

based on the living conversations.

I'm hopeful that I'll have once-a-day-or-so access starting on Sunday.

I'll be back in town the first Sunday in June.

The only problem that I see with NLing today is that if there's another kill floating around out there; it's game over for the town.

Buuuuut you can see where my vote <still> is.

[d3x]

I wouldn't encourage too much speculation unless you can prove that they change based on the living conversations.

I don't think this would be too difficult to test. Simply ask the Ghost Voters to place a single Vote on each of us for a single VoteCount and then go back to their original Votes after it's been posted, or some such plan.

[Herodotus]

I wouldn't encourage too much speculation unless you can prove that they change based on the living conversations.

I don't think this would be too difficult to test. Simply ask the Ghost Voters to place a single Vote on each of us for a single VoteCount and then go back to their original Votes after it's been posted, or some such plan.

I doubt that they can communicate with each other. They've all flipped, so barring something like death miller/death anti-miller, they're confirmed to each other. If they could talk, they would probably choose a single person by consensus and all vote for that person.

I think we should resolve these two questions before we consider lynching:
1. Are these extra votes coming from dead players (and if so, why is the lynch threshold 6 instead of 7?)
- I think the answer is yes, and maybe only townies are able to ghost-vote, so that would make 11 total votes not including Nikanor.
2. Is it better to lynch or not to lynch?
- The ghosts seem to be saying we should lynch, but it's possible that they're just unable to vote No Lynch.

[VP Baltar]

Nikanor not being able to vote after being dead makes sense in terms of the L-6. I'm thinking I might go back later and try to guess who is voting who based on suspicions upon death.

I think d3x's plan of proving the voters sounds alright.

In terms of them not voting for No Lynch, it gives me a bit of pause. Right now, I'm thinking of two possible reasons being 1) each of the dead believe they have some kind of inside info on who one or more of the scums are or 2) maybe they can't vote in a Lylo situation and are therefore trying to exercise their power now while they can.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLVIII:

- Welcome to your "life"/There's no turning back

No Lynch (L-4) ~ Porkens, Herodotus

Porkens (L-5) ~
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-?) ~
Gammagooey (L-?) ~
Jahudo (L-?) ~

Trumpet of Doom (L-6) ~

Percy (L-6) ~

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

d3x, Percy, Trumpet of Doom, VP Baltar

--You are in MyLo!

---Post 666

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[VP Baltar]

Well there we go. Now it's just a matter of determining if they have info or not.

Hey ghost crew, if you can only vote in Mylo, put a couple votes on me. If you can vote in Mylo or Lylo, put a couple votes on Percy.

[d3x]

And if you have concrete inside info, put a couple Votes on me.

[Porkens]

I wouldn't encourage too much speculation unless you can prove that they change based on the living conversations.

I don't think this would be too difficult to test. Simply ask the Ghost Voters to place a single Vote on each of us for a single VoteCount and then go back to their original Votes after it's been posted, or some such plan.

I doubt that they can communicate with each other. They've all flipped, so barring something like death miller/death anti-miller, they're confirmed to each other. If they could talk, they would probably choose a single person by consensus and all vote for that person.

I think we should resolve these two questions before we consider lynching:
1. Are these extra votes coming from dead players (and if so, why is the lynch threshold 6 instead of 7?)
- I think the answer is yes, and maybe only townies are able to ghost-vote, so that would make 11 total votes not including Nikanor.
2. Is it better to lynch or not to lynch?
- The ghosts seem to be saying we should lynch, but it's possible that they're just unable to vote No Lynch.

Hey I found some internet in Dallas.

There's the risk that scum are behind the ghost votes and setting us up to follow "confirmed" town ghost votes. My tinfoil hat is tingling at Herod's posts. I prefer a NL.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLIX:

- Mod as maid

No Lynch (L-3) ~ Porkens, Herodotus

VP Baltar (L-4) ~
Porkens (L-5) ~

Gammagooey (L-?) ~

Percy (L-6) ~

Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-?) ~

Jahudo (L-?) ~

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

d3x, Percy, Trumpet of Doom, VP Baltar

--You are in MyLo!

---You're lucky you caught me on a free day.

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[d3x]

Ok, so we've confirmed that the Ghost Votes are coming from our dead players {presumably excluding Nik}, they don't have any inside information, they can only do this at MyLo, and the battery has started depleting. Am I missing anything?

I really don't like Pork669. I don't see a single circumstance where Scum could be doing this.

I'm also not 100% in agreement with this, either...

If they could talk, they would probably choose a single person by consensus and all vote for that person.

Just because they're all confirmed to each other doesn't mean they have to agree with each other. I believe more Ouija boarding is in order.

@Ghosts- Do you guys have a 'Dead' QT? Votes on DDD if so, plz.

I do think caution is best right now, though. A single Vote from a 'Live' player has the potential to end this game {assuming that the 5 Ghost Votes carry full Lynch Power}. This may even be why they're not piling onto one player. If they don't have any inside info and they're wrong, the 2 remaining Scum could just Quick Hammer ftw.

I have noticed that at most we only have 4 Ghost Votes floating aorund so far, though. I'm assuming that DDD, Jahudo, and Gamma are all here {as there were spread Votes on each of them}, and the 4th has a bone to pick with Pork.

And finally, we shouldn't spend too much time on the Ouija. They can only commuinicate when the Mod's around and we lose battery power at the Vote Counts.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, so we've confirmed that the Ghost Votes are coming from our dead players {presumably excluding Nik}, they don't have any inside information, they can only do this at MyLo, and the battery has started depleting. Am I missing anything?

This seems correct to me. I also don't get Porkens' 'the scum could be doing this'. Seems like they would have far too much power in an endgame situation than a reasonable person like Vi would give.

'Glad to see someone thinks I'm reasonable <.< ~Vi

While I like the idea of a greater majority to lynch, it still seems like a No Lynch is probably the proper play here. I mean, the ghosts can give us their opinion for tomorrow if they'd like, but we'd still increase our odds of hitting scum by no lynching.

[d3x]

the ghosts can give us their opinion for tomorrow if they'd like, but we'd still increase our odds of hitting scum by no lynching.

This is very true.

[Vi]

Vote Count L:

- Mod as ouija board

No Lynch (L-4) ~ Porkens, Herodotus

Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-?) ~

VP Baltar (L-5) ~
Porkens (L-5) ~

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

d3x, Percy, Trumpet of Doom, VP Baltar

-To answer your next question - blue means in the lead for votes, assuming that player is a valid target for lynching.

--You are in MyLo!

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