Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[Sucrose]

Well, that solves that problem. Also, the poisoner who killed Merkabah is scum. Bet on it.

[My Milked Eek]

Uhhh... well, ok. This proves the Night 1 dreams were all true.

Anyways, this is a suggestion for a new alliance:

- Deer
- ReaperCharlie
- Sucrose
- Kise
- don_johnson
- InHimIshallBe
- Reckoner
- Shattered Viewpoint

I call it "The let's bus spyrex alliance", tlbsa for short. Notable members include Sucrose, Kise and Reckoner. But as said, this isn't for today, today is cryptoday.

Mod, could we get a votecount? Been some pages.

[Starbuck]

Been working on it, MME. Have some damn patience.

Crypto - (5) Kise, easjo, Dry-fit, Sucrose, xRx
Raj - (3) don_johnson, Lowell, ReaperCharlie
Deer - (1) Raj
Kise - (1) inHimshallibe
ReaperCharlie (1) - crypto

With 19 alive, 10 to lynch.

[My Milked Eek]

Apologies, oh great mod.
Wait, wasn't I voting crypto?

Vote: crypto

to make sure.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Not really sure if I need to do this, but then, I'm not really sure what the fuck is happening here.

unvote

[Starbuck]

Since last I saw KoC didn't reset vote counts, I just didn't count the ones that were on Spyre

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: crypto

i'd still like to lynch raj, but this makes sense if it gives us clarity between crypto/kise.

[ReaperCharlie]

A sudden howl starts to fill the ears of everyone in the surrounding area. Heads are turning trying to find out where the horrid noise is erupting from. Before your very eyes, you see fur and teeth sprout upon SpyreX, before green froth and pus explode, tearing his half-changed form apart.

SpyreX has been poisoned and killed. He was a

Werewolf

.

bahahahaha told you guys. thanks, vampires.

now lets see, why did the vamps wait until that point to kill spyrex? probably because they figured his wagon would die out, and they DIDN'T want spyrex to live. which I definitely would have done too, were i in their place.

but lets analyze the day-killings now. I would venture that it is a godfather ability, and i would also venture that while the one against spyrex was in offense to guarantee that he wouldn't live another night (now that we knew he's a werewolf), and for the same reasons i said this earlier: i would definitely rather spyrescum die than another scum.

and since the vamp's killed spyre, that could very well mean that crypto is vampscum.

unvote, vote: crypto

the one against merk was probably in defense. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised at all if it was spyrex's idea, but that makes no difference now. i've gotta go back and read a bit more to see who merk suspected.

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@ MME:

Are you kidding me? There are probably like 3 scum in that list. No. I was going to add Sucrose anyway -- but you, Reck, and Kise are not invited to the alliance.

Deer
Shattered Viewpoint
inHimshallIbe
Dry-fit
don_johnson
Sucrose

[Deer]

Nice.

vote: crypto

By the way, don't be so quick to include SV in the alliance. Spyre could have very easily been covering up for his scumbuddy with this dream business.

[My Milked Eek]

Dude, that's a list of people on the spyrex wagon. I just named it an alliance to make a spoof out of your desire to make a new one on every page.

Glad to see you agree with me on Reck and Kise, though.

[xRECKONERx]

Bahahahaha that was great.

Moar crypto votes pl0x

[ReaperCharlie]

btw, in their weakened state, the vampires are going to be gunning hard for the werewolves. the vamps are down two, and the werewolves are down one. don't know if they can recruit every night, but chances are they will be picking their recruits out of the alliance pool of players because they are widely considered to be the most pro-town. they probably die if they try to recruit someone from an opposing scumfaction. note: they went for spyrex on night 1. that should be evidence enough that they are trying to flip the game on its ear. and if they can recruit town's power-roles (i have no reason to believe that spyrex's claim wasn't originally true), then these will likely become scum power-roles.

my personal suspicions are that each faction started with two, and is allowed to attempt to recruit one per night. cross-recruiting probably results in either a kill or suicide, but i don't know how that's set up, obviously. maybe it just results in a failed recruitment attempt. my other suspicions are that the 'dreamers' are given dreams by another certain role which was originally pro-town but when recruited into a faction, they give others dreams about other players either purposefully incorrectly, or if they don't know someone's alignment because of the multiple factions, they will then give dreams to someone in their own faction or who they think is town, that whoever they suspect is scum, IS scum. i think that's a fair analysis of what's going on here.

the fact that spyrex was gunning so hard for deer makes me think that he either had inside info about deer being a vamp, or he was one of spyrex's top suspects for being a vamp, because there's really no reason to try to drag down a townie that hard. so deer is out of the alliance.

and... obviously, since spyrex was scum, it's likely he was lying about his dream about shattered viewpoint... which means SV is also out of the alliance, the list of which i posted above, but which now consists of only:

myself
Dry-fit
inHim
don_johnson
Sucrose

Shattered Viewpoint

Deer

And as a side note, I fully expect that at least one of these is scum of some kind. I also fully expect that one of them will be recruited tonight, if not two.


preview edit: I see a few people have beaten me to the punch on some of this. i'm leaving my post as it is, though.

[Starbuck]

Crypto - (9) Kise, easjo, Dry-fit, Sucrose, xRx, MME, don_johnson, ReaperCharlie, Deer
Raj - (1) Lowell
Deer - (1) Raj
Kise - (1) inHimshallibe
ReaperCharlie (1) - crypto

With 19 alive, 10 to lynch.

[My Milked Eek]

So, you're suggesting this is not just a cult game, but a duel cult game? Aren't cults bastard modding?

RC, you're making too many assumptions with too little evidence:
What makes you assume the vampires can recruit? What makes you assume werewolves can recruit more than once? What makes you assume those things about the dreams, especially if your deduction leads to ambiguity amongst the dreams? What makes you assume the vampires killed Spyrex? What makes you assume crypto is a vampire?

Let's stick to the facts instead of letting your imagination run about without grounding any of it.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. Dueling cults.

And...

who cares

if cults are considered bastard modding? Maybe if the cults were pretty small to begin with (i.e. 2 each), and you factor in cross-kills, it might be more 'fair' that way. Either way, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that it's bastard-modded so that the town has very little chance of winning unless they kill off the wolves and vamps relatively early on. Call setup speculation anti-town if you want, but it wins games, and that's why I do it.

Maybe read my post again, I think I adequately answered some of those questions. As for why I think the vamps can recruit too, idk... maybe I just watched Underworld one too many times. I'm sure you've seen Underworld, right? Even if you haven't though, I'm sure you've seen Twilight and the sequel. Yes, we forgive you. But go watch Underworld (and the sequel).

Why WOULDN'T the werewolves be able to recruit more than once? What makes YOU think that they'd only be able to recruit once? If crypto wasn't on the chopping block for today, I'd sink my teeth into you for that one.

What makes me assume the vamps killed Spyrex? Uh... because he died in the daytime, and maybe because of the dream, and the vamps had already lost two scumpals already. It'd only make sense that they'd gun for the other scum-group as doing so is pretty much their best/only chance for survival.

On the other hand, maybe there's just a neutral day-sk or town day-vig 'poisoner' or something, and he gets to kill one person a day. Which is also a valid assumption.

[My Milked Eek]

Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. Dueling cults.

And...

who cares

if cults are considered bastard modding? Maybe if the cults were pretty small to begin with (i.e. 2 each), and you factor in cross-kills, it might be more 'fair' that way. Either way, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that it's bastard-modded so that the town has very little chance of winning unless they kill off the wolves and vamps relatively early on. Call setup speculation anti-town if you want, but it wins games, and that's why I do it.

I do it too and it lost me more games than it won me, so yeah, I'd rather not get involved in too much speculation right now. And I care if they're considered bastard modding or not because I'm not too keen on playing with cults. If anything I'd rather avoid games with cults than play them.

Maybe read my post again, I think I adequately answered some of those questions. As for why I think the vamps can recruit too, idk... maybe I just watched Underworld one too many times. I'm sure you've seen Underworld, right? Even if you haven't though, I'm sure you've seen Twilight and the sequel. Yes, we forgive you. But go watch Underworld (and the sequel).

I haven't seen any of those films, but I do know Vampires and what they do. If we were in a cult game, then I'd agree with you, but we don't know it yet. And as for answering that question, I do not see anything in your post that answers it, I only see wild speculation leading to that conclusion.

Why WOULDN'T the werewolves be able to recruit more than once? What makes YOU think that they'd only be able to recruit once? If crypto wasn't on the chopping block for today,

I'd sink my teeth into you for that one.

Hold your horses, I'm not assuming anything about werewolves being able to recruit more than once or not, you are. I'm just stating what I observed so far and that is: we don't know it yet. If what you say is true, then why did we get 1 recruit dream on night 1 and not 2? And why no recruit dreams during night 2? Why not assume the recruit that happened here is a regular one-recruit system?

Also, lol, bolded for vampire claim.

What makes me assume the vamps killed Spyrex? Uh... because he died in the daytime, and maybe because of the dream, and the vamps had already lost two scumpals already. It'd only make sense that they'd gun for the other scum-group as doing so is pretty much their best/only chance for survival.

If you are going to continue your little "flavor is true to 'real life'" speech, then I'd assume you would not be able to write the spyrex death off to the vampires.


Randomly assuming cult, sorry I'm mistaken, randomly assuming two cults on an action that could be the result of another mechanic, i.e. a regular scum-recruit, does not compute in my books. It's nearly the same as the early-game-assuming-jester-pages we've already been through.

[ReaperCharlie]

If you're averse to cults, why did you join a game that was likely to have cults in it? You did say that you're familiar with vampires..

And you say 'if we were in a cult game' like we're not. Spyrex was recruited by the werewolves, I think it's a

pretty fair bet

(sarcasm) that we're in a cult game. And why would the werewolves be able to recruit but the vampires not? Again, I thought you said you were familiar with vamps. You are making my head hurt.

If what you say is true, then why did we get 1 recruit dream on night 1 and not 2? And why no recruit dreams during night 2? Why not assume the recruit that happened here is a regular one-recruit system?

Um... I think the answer is pretty self-explanatory, but here's why:
-N1, one of the dreamers happened to dream about someone who happened to be recruited.
-N2, they happened to dream about people who were not being recruited.

You seem to think that the lack of a second recruiting dream means that each evil faction can only recruit once, and I don't understand why this makes sense to you.

@ my tongue-in-cheek teeth-sinking comment: Hehe, I thought it was appropriate, given the game we're in. You don't honestly think there's anything serious in that, do you? Haha

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AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'RANDOMLY ASSUMING' THERE ARE CULTS?? SPYREX WAS RECRUITED BY THE WEREWOLVES, I THINK ITS PRETTY DAMNED OBVIOUS.

[don_johnson]

Spyrex was recruited by the werewolves, I think it's a

pretty fair bet

(sarcasm) that we're in a cult game..

no. spyrex

couldn't

have been

recruited

.

he claimed priest and that he protected himself night one. he was lieing. he has been a werewolf all along, no? its at least as probable as him telling the truth.

the "dream" may very well have been a bus for all we know.

not sure how his recruitment is "obvious". what makes you think he wasn't a werewolf from the start? am i missing something?

[ReaperCharlie]

Why

couldn't

he have been recruited? Do you believe Dry-fit's dream or don't you? I do. Which is the main basis for most of my arguments and speculation, along with prior knowledge (which is pretty much common knowledge) that vampires and werewolves bite people, and they turn into other vampires or werewolves. Vampires and werewolves TOGETHER are a common subject matter, and when you see one, you're likely to see the other. And to me it's just common sense to think that if one of them has recruitment abilities, that the other does as well.

[ReaperCharlie]

V/LA as noted in my sig.

[easjo682]

It makes little point to discuss whether some of the dreams are made up; whether they're all real; whether some represent the truth. In the long run it's all WIFOM until wee see some deaths and match them up to the dream

Also crypto you've posted since I made this post, can you please respond to it, you've had the oppotunity

In other news, easjo's persistent opposition to the alliance makes me cringe.

why?

Thanks

Ok, well put. So I put this question to you: Which of the following would be smarter?

1. Testing/challenging one of the Day 2 dreams/whatevers, and still being no closer to finding out whether the dreams are credible?; or
2. Testing the second Day 1 dream, lynching SpyreX and finding out if we have 100% accuracy in dreams? (not counting Kise's DNA sample, which is not a dream).

I say we go with option two

unvote

spyreX

Spyrex has a dream that SV is innocent, then the Wizard is reported to be a wolf recruit. MME is doing his best to attack the wagon, earlier saying scum hopped on due to the speed. SV voices agreement with Spy dying, but doesn't place a vote.

I'd say those are three wolfmen right there.

I'd like to reserve that kind of judgement until we see SpyreX result. even then SV could still be innocent

A sudden howl starts to fill the ears of everyone in the surrounding area. Heads are turning trying to find out where the horrid noise is erupting from. Before your very eyes, you see fur and teeth sprout upon SpyreX, before green froth and pus explode, tearing his half-changed form apart.

SpyreX has been poisoned and killed. He was a Werewolf.

argg, well that changes things for me vote-wise

unvote

Vote: crypto

which for clarity is back to how I was voting before this post

Also I don't like any talk of any form of alliance, I think its too risky to be that trusting, see how the last alliance proved bad? whos to say this new one is any better?

[ReaperCharlie]

Me.

[My Milked Eek]

easjo, you do realize that that was the hammer?

[crypto]

You're all fucking idiots.

So awful that I can't even be bothered to go into detail. Scum win unless about 80% of the players here replace out.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Since easjo voted for Sprexy in the same damn post, I think easjo is SKIMMING SCUM (what? I like alliteration) and therefore, no HAD NO CLUE that that was the hammer.