Mini 961: Insane Asylum II: GAME OVER :O!

[dramonic]

Dramonic is voting for extraordinarily lame reasons. My first instinct when I see something like this is that it's bus'ing.

Wouldn't it require me to actually vote someone who has decent suspicion to qualify as bussing <<

[UncertainKitten]

The Twenty-Second "Have I Used This One Yet?" Vote Count

"Why So Serious?"

Mod Note: Haylen has been prodded, but I'm keeping the prod clock off because I expect her to post within a few minutes . Regardless, still counts as a prod since she hasn't posted since the 20th, and only 48 hours of that is really excusable.

1. magnus_orion (0)
2. StrangerCoug (0)
3. SocioPath (2): farside22, Dramonic
4. farside22 (0)
7. Tarhalindur (0)
8. DrippingGoofball (0)
9. Haylen (0)
10. Iecerint (1): DrippingGoofball
11. Dramonic (0)


Not Voting (6): Haylen, SocioPath, Tarhalindur, magnus_orion, StrangerCoug, Iecerint

Prod Clock (New): Off
Players still needing to respond to prod: No One

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is in 11 days at 10:00 PM EST, Tuesday, June 8th, 2010

[Haylen]

hiiii. 1 hr 12 mins isn't bad for me!

Anyway, re-reading.

[magnus_orion]

Haven't heard the expression "shine by his absense"?

no, I haven't.
Though I understand the idea.
However, it makes this response rather strange

Obviously I am referring to the playerslot as a whole <<

The question was:

Also... Haylen stuck out?

I'd expect the intent of your response to this question to be to expand the amount of information referred to, to explain the sticking out.
When the question came up the first time, I would expect you to bring up absence immediately, rather than expand the suspicion to include the person Haylen replaced.

Dramonic is voting for extraordinarily lame reasons. My first instinct when I see something like this is that it's bus'ing.

But... you've been quite sure about sociopath being town...

[farside22]

I was looking back a few things and saw something Glork mentioning that he reverse's the sanities of a player. So if a sane cop investigates him they would get insane results. If a sane doc targets him then a sane doc turns insane. Would that explain his kill? I see a scapel slash. That to me indicates doctor.
So if Glork indicates this possiblity why would a doctor target him during the night?

[StrangerCoug]

Dramonic is voting for extraordinarily lame reasons. My first instinct when I see something like this is that it's bus'ing.

Wouldn't it require me to actually vote someone who has decent suspicion to qualify as bussing <<

I don't think that's necessarily true. One of the scumtells that's pretty reliable on me is to bus for almost nothing.

I still want to get rid of SocioPath, especially after the Night 1 discussion, so

vote SocioPath

. I think the reactions I've generated so far today after I felt like a blind man without a cane will be useful, too.

[Iecerint]

Unless DGB like fell into a hole all over the site for the past few days, I think she's probably scum.

Is there anything that makes DGB-Tar improbable? I am yet to reread.

[DrippingGoofball]

[quote="Iecerint"]Unless DGB like fell into a hole.../quote]
Not quite, sweetie, but had things to do in the garden and the site was molasses. With 4-5 games to follow it was taking me a whole hour every morning.

I'm not voting SocioPath. This is NOT his scum meta. I'll try to do some wagon analysis tomorrow morning, even though it may be a little premature. When we don't have much to go on otherwise, it's a good kick start.

[DrippingGoofball]

hiiii. 1 hr 12 mins isn't bad for me!

Anyway, re-reading.

^^^
could be scum right here before our eyes.

[DrippingGoofball]

0. UncertainKitten (0)
1. magnus_orion (0)
2. StrangerCoug (4): SocioPath, Iecerint,

DrippingGoofball, Glork

3. SocioPath (2): Leech
4. farside22 (0)

5. Glork

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6. Leech (0)
7. Tarhalindur (2): Slicey,

Snow_Bunny/Elli

8. DrippingGoofball (0)

9. Haylen/Yosarian

(0)
10. Iecerint (0)
11. Slicey (0)

12. Snow_Bunny/Elli

(4): Tarhalindur, farside22, magnus_orion, StrangerCoug

Not Voting (1): Haylen,

Snow_Bunny is at L-3
StrangerCoug is at L-3

One of Socio and Icerink are scum.
One of Tarhalindur, farside22, magnus_orion, StrangerCoug is scum.

[magnus_orion]

oy, DGB,
leech = yos2
Haylen = Kairyuu

haylen's... not dead... so... yosarian is voting sociopath and haylen isn't voting...
wait... why is there a 2 next to sociopath if one person is voting sociopath...

in other news,
@farside: Glork said he did not reverse the sanity of investigations, merely protections and kills. However, yes, either we have someone who did something stupid last night, or we have someone with their own agenda killing glork.

@iec: Quick! Why you doubt tar so much? Go.

[SocioPath]

One of Socio and Icerink are scum.
One of Tarhalindur, farside22, magnus_orion, StrangerCoug is scum.

This logic makes no sense.
One?
If three scum, that would mean one of Slicey would be scum.

[magnus_orion]

@sociopath: Quick. I want your opinion of Iec. Go.

[SocioPath]

Iec is doing what Iec does.
Misusing meta.
Obviously he is scum.

Vote: Iec

Opinion hasn't changed much since then.
Except now he is doing it with SC.

[Iecerint]

I've never played with Tar before, but I get bad feelings about him in this game. Could be playstyle related. I could probably reason out why I feel that way with a reread, but that's all I've got right now.

[magnus_orion]

@iec: Bad response

vote: Iecerint

Reason out why you feel that way, please.

[Iecerint]

kk, reading Tar again -->

[Iecerint]

1. Low overall output.

2. Tar is a player who has probably played with SB before. As such, the early attitude toward her posts -- which aren't really much different from her posts anywhere else, or that was my impression at the time, at least -- isn't a very principled position.

3. Tar seems to have this weird internally-justified fondness with claiming things (in my view) unnecessarily. He's done this elsewhere that I've seen, so it may be a playstyle thing. But it rubs me the wrong way.

4. Hmm. I'd forgotten about the apparent "exploiting loopholes" violation. UK has a peculiar notion about exploitation since it just looks like he's crumbing, but I suppose I don't know the ability.

However, being reminded of this bit kinda changes my mind. Unless scum can recruit only a specific player or something, I think Tar's crumbs imply town alignment unless they're totally made up.

5. Does multiscum mean "multiple scum teams"?

After getting a little bit farther through D1, I think the bad feeling on Tar came from how much he was pushing on SB when I didn't think SB's play was really much different from her normal play. The simplest explanation I could come up with for myself was that he was pushing a wagon on a player with a scummier playstyle a la zwet rather than a wagon based on more principled analysis. And Tar was clearly a player who cared about meta, so that seemed weird.

It doesn't look as bad on reread owing to the crumbs. I'd have to attribute disproportionate magnificent bastard-ness to him for that to be a scum move.

I think I am now converted to wanting to lynch SP. The long wagon on SC helps convince me, especially given that it was a major wagon. Also, the fact that one of the lurkers (Leech/Yos) flipped town incrementally increases the probability that active players were scum.

But I want to read through the VCs myself to make certain that DGB isn't cherry-picking. That kind of thing is precisely what I wanted from her, even if I usually get a much more robust analysis.

[magnus_orion]

I have my doubts. I think the pretty blatant breadcrumbing (it can't even really be called that, more of soft claiming) should've left a strong enough impression on you that you'd have never developed that feeling in the first place.

The long wagon on SC helps convince me

your use of the word "helps" implies you have other reasons. I'd prefer it if you elaborated on those instead of vaguely alluding to their existence.
Are you rescinding your suspicions of SC? If so, why?

[Iecerint]

Nah, I totally didn't notice the admittedly very blatant breadcrumb the first time through. I did vaguely remember the "I have an ability that may not matter all game and is kind of a scummy one tbh" moment, but the only response I had to that was .

Other factors are that SC is always sort of scummy, and sometimes it's just SC and sometimes he's scum, and that Glork thought so, and, certain events notwithstanding, Glork is not exactly an idiot.

I didn't mention those reasons because they are not very good reasons.

Also, I would have to reread SC and make sure that DGB isn't cherry-picking before I'm settled on that, anyway, so I wasn't in LET'S MAKE A SANDWICH-mode.

[magnus_orion]

To me, the long wagon on SC doesn't make a strong foundation for your new viewpoint when you've been among the biggest proponents of SC = scum. Those reasons are similarly flimsy

[Iecerint]

UWA, I screwed up. All the SCs in that post should be SPs. My mistake. Not that that affects your post.

As far as SC goes. Well. I would like it if he were scum because then I would have been right. But I'd rather do it DGB's way to emotionally hedge my bets with regard to being right/winning.

It is an irrational thing to do, but it is also what I am doing.

[SocioPath]

Well to be fair, I did jump on the SC wagon haphazardly.

[Iecerint]

*INTROSPECTION*

I would never ever present myself that way as scum. Ever.

*/INTROSPECTION*

[Iecerint]

To explain that pre-UWAA post -- for some reason, I had a weird moment where I was convinced that you meant SP by SC and were using the word "rescind" incorrectly (probably because I hadn't mentioned SC in ages and couldn't figure out why you were bringing him up). Senior moment at age 23.

But the UWAA post does accurately characterize my feelings about SC.