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Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 1:32 pm

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Are you trying to bus all your buddies before you inevitably die, charter?
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Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 1:37 pm

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Well, since I'm actually town, I'm trying to scumhunt. I really don't care if you guys lynch me today, since I don't think that there's any more 'others' left after you. And at this point the scum should be getting pretty obvious for the rest of the town to easily find.
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Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 1:40 pm

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Haha, sure. I'd believe you were town, but...you kinda targetted two dead people in a row, that appear to have the scum kill method used on them.

How interesting.

Oh, right, and the fact you're lying about my alignment.

I'll admit, one thing is niggling at me. Why are scum trying so hard to get me lynched? It should have been clear I wasn't a viable mislynch after Chrono's failure.

Seriously, you all are better off killing me.

But, let's wait for Plum to confirm you scum, charter.
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Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 2:02 pm

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charter wrote:
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charter wrote:Just keep flailing.
Just keep throwing useless crap.
'
What is useless about my noting UK is flailing? Now, your post on the other hand...
What is UncertainKitten's other option, to sit there and resign? UK may be crazy, but she's experienced enough to know to do that regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 2:03 pm

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At least I'm not trying to get lynched :P.
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Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 2:09 pm

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Yeah xD
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Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 4:22 pm

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I cannot plausibly believe that charter-scum would falsify an other result to implicate UK as a serial killer instead of just killing her at night especially when UK herself suggests there's been absolutely no momentum for her lynch. Furthermore, given the very specific claim that chronopie made I'm inclined to believe it even coming from scum.

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Wellp, you'd be wrong. It's rather easy to come up with "very specific". The seeds for falsifying my role were there.

I'm waiting for Plum to confirm me as town so we can lynch Charterscum.
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Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 7:05 pm

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My gut is with indecisive kitten. As I read chronopie's posts from yesterday, something seemed quite off.

If found what was off, quoted mod interaction incorrectly. Well, we already gg'ed DGB for something that wasn't elbow grease and ole country scumhunting, might as well do it again.

Observe all these role names and flavor titles revealed by death, in the OP.
zoraster wrote: Day 1: Parama, High School Civics Teacher, the Motive Cop was modkilled.
Night 1: xvart the Speaker of the House part of the Legislature was talked to death
Night 1: ojanen, Diplomat from England, the Vanilla Townie took 9999 damage
Day 2: Nicodemus, Director of Homeland Security, the Vanilla Townie was lynched
Night 2: Jack, Grassroots Organizer, the Vanilla Townie was talked to death.
Night 2: LlamaFluff, Traffic Cop, the Town Redirector took 9999 damage
Day 3: d3x the Secretary of State part of the Executive was sniped
Day 3: FishytheFish the Chief Justice of SCOTUS part of the Judiciary was sniped
Day 3: Shotty to the Body the Senate Majority Leader part of the Legislature was sniped
Day 3: animorpherv1 the Secretary of Defense part of the Executive was sniped
Day 3: DrippingGoofball, Pharmaceutical Representative, the Mafia Goon was lynched
Night 3: Ellibereth, Secret Service Agent, the Town Bodyguard took 9999 damage
Day 4: imaginality, Associate Justice of SCOTUS, a member of the Judiciary was sniped
Day 4: Chronpie, American Trial Lawyers Association Chairman, the Mafia Role Cop was lynched
Night 4: farside, C-SPAN Executive, the Town Tracker took 9999 damage

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Day 4: Zorblag, Fringe Tea Party Activist, the Neutral Sniper Vigilante Wins
As you can see, Zoraster has included both their flavor title and their role title. Sometimes he switches the order, but both is always there.

Observe the format the role title has. It's a noun. A no nonsense noun that could pass in a normal game (except for the very factional executive, judiciary, and legislative roles that have gotten so themey they are runon sentences).

"Motive Cop". "Vanilla Townie", "Town Redirector", "Town Bodyguard". Even "Neutral Sniper Vigilante" is getting straight to the point, and isn't steeped in flavor. Those are the role titles. My role title is Vanilla Townie, I'd recommend everyone use their own as a good example.

The flavor title is separate. It is a noun, one that might have adjectives and prepositional clauses describing it to make it more flavorful, but it is a noun. "C-Span Executive", "Secret Service Agent", "Pharmaceutical Representative". Against, I'm skipping the 6 government roles because they are defined by the game and they don't follow the other ones' formatting.

My flavor title, and I feel like it's worth saying my exact flavor title now, is "Country Music Superstar", also a noun.

So we have a role title, a
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Chronopie said that:
Chronopie wrote:I figure, seeing as I'm run up, I should make an actual, 100% real full claim.

--

I'm a Scum Rolecop. UK is "Serial Killer with Inquisitive Tendencies." I cannot send in both a kill and rolecop the same night.
"Serial Killer with Inquisitive Tendencies" does not follow the format. If she is a serial killer, her role title would have been given in a flavorless, no nonsense way, like every other role in the game I've seen (except ones themselves defined by flavor, and even those are essentially saying "Legislative Goon A" not explaining the person likes margaritas and long walks on the beach). So if UK were a Serial Killer, her role title would be "Serial Killer".

The "with Inquisitive Tendencies" is flavor, it can't go into the role title. So that means zoraster gave Chrono pie the flavor too. But the flavor title would be a noun, not just a clause, every other flavor title is a noun.

.: Chronopie made it up. He probably got her role title and her flavor title. When he claimed he was going to say she was an SK since a 2-man gambit had to work 4 shore, but he knew each role had some flavor with it and role cops were given flavor so he sprinkled some flavor in there, he just didn't do it right. Curiously, he went with "Inquisitive", which is a trait many associate with kittens, which might be why he picked on some level of consciousness.

So, in face of charter's scummy word and that of super-trustworthy dying scum, I still think UK is town. And I think we're against a big mafia that doesn't need many more mislynches to drive it home. We had lots of power die early, and lot of vanilla die late/still living, and six people who were supposed to help us got chain sniped. So I don't think it's unreasonable to think things are going that bad even if we just lynched 2 scum.
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 7:13 pm

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I just used proof by contradiction format that I learned in my Discrete Structures class at college >_<. Ask me to re-explain if needed.
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 2:33 am

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That...was about the most amazing logic post I have ever seen that uses the structure of role names to their advantage. Like, seriously, that was amazing.
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Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 3:58 am

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I think popsofctown sealed the deal for me.

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Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:09 am

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I love how you guys are believing what a mafia said. Let me take lessons from you about how to play mafia, so I believe what the bad guys say and lynch the good guys? Ok, got it, thanks.
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Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:19 am

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What the hell makes you think we're doing that? I'm not believing a word out of Chronopie thanks to popsofctown.
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Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:30 am

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Um...charter, isn't that exactly what we are...um...NOT doing?

You know, since, lemme see...

DGB said I was an SK...and flipped mafier
Chronopie claimed I was an SK...and flipped mafier.

Now YOU are claiming an SK. I THINK I SEE A PATTERN GUYS! LET'S FIND OUT IF CHARTER FLIPS MAFIER!
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Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:32 am

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EBWOP: Now YOU (charter) are claiming that I am an SK

I think pops explains it pretty well. We have a bigger mafia than we thought and are possibly in lylo. They've already sunk two mafiosi on trying to lynch me, so rather than waste those deaths, they are pushing for endgame.

Yes, this would mean we probably have 5:7:12

I do not envy Zoraster, Vi, or SpyreX for having to balance that.
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Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:37 am

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IF I WAS MAFIA WHY WOULDNT I JUST KILL YOU AT NIGHT IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SK? or even if you were a vig.

CLEARLY UK HAS NK IMMUNITY BECAUSE SHE IS A SK.

I don't care, hurry up and lynch me or Plum hurry up and get here.
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Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:40 am

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IF I WAS MAFIA WHY WOULDNT I JUST KILL YOU AT NIGHT IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SK? or even if you were a vig.
Because you've spent TWO MAFIOSOS TRYING TO PUSH A LAST MISLYNCH. Clearly there are 5 mafia. We've been in Mylo since Troll's shooting spree. Thankfully you all took it into your heads to try to go against ME, and failed twice. And now you will fail a third time. Care to tell us who your scumbuddies are now? Or will we just have to wait for the fourth person to step forward calling me an SK? It's practically a solid scumtell at this point :P

To answer your question, why would you kill a mislynch possibility when you supposedly can increase the doubt against me?

Either way, I would like Plum to get here ASAP.
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Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:49 am

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charter wrote:IF I WAS MAFIA WHY WOULDNT I JUST KILL YOU AT NIGHT IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SK? or even if you were a vig.

CLEARLY UK HAS NK IMMUNITY BECAUSE SHE IS A SK.

I don't care, hurry up and lynch me or Plum hurry up and get here.
I've modded a game where the serial killer
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(This particular one was daykilled instead of nightkilled, but the nekomata role makes no mention of immunity.)

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Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 5:54 am

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That does make a lot of sense. In fact, I'm pretty sure anyone who went right ahead and claimed me SK without any Plum verification is more likely to be scum, since they would "know" the scum plan.
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Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 6:02 am

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Serial killers don't have NK immunity all the time. It just happens that UK does.

Stranger, you're really terrible at mafia if you're actually town here.
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Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 6:08 am

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@charter: May I inquire as to why you think I have NK immunity? Especially since I see no scum kills having been missed?
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Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 6:16 am

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They wouldn't be trying to lynch you if they could kill you. That'd be dumb of them to chance trying to lynch you during the day and give you the chance to kill them at night.
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Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 6:19 am

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The speed of this game is ridiculous. I didn't get a Day 4 action, obviously. I guess the town is content with that. I tried to log on this morning, but the website was completely non-responsive.

On D3 I tracked charter again. I considered tracking farside, but I played a little WIFOM with my action because I thought the mafia team may just have charter submit the kill again. So, yeah, he did visit Elli during Night 3.

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charter is probably one of the weaker roles in the mafia force, but he's the only certain one we've got. If UK is right, and there are that many mafia, we have to go with the sure thing. I don't know why the town has two trackers, but I'm assuming it must mean that the mafia are very plentiful. They certainly have 1, and possibly have 2 Roleblockers.

Now I don't know what a Neighborizer is, but I do know that charter visiting two killed players is no coincidence, which, in my mind, confirms Plum.

Tomorrow's lynch should probably be between Gamma and SC, without question. There just cannot be that many town PRs left.
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Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2010 6:25 am

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Did you track me to UK on Night 4? Or you forgot about that?

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