Mini 945: Mafia in Bawlmer - GAME OVER

[Ythan]

Your plan is mafia-role-interference-proof?

[Netopalis]

I think it's remarkably doubtful that we have a mafia roleblocker, given the fact that there's a jailkeeper and a slightly underpowered town, overall.

[Ythan]

Opposing jailers would not blow my mind.

[MacavityLock]

Neto, my plan is an extension of your plan. Your plan is just as susceptible to a maf RB, busdriver, or redirector.

[Ythan]

So there's no harm in ML's, if you don't think we're up against anything.

[Netopalis]

Sure. Do whatever you need to do. I just worry about complexity...But, you folks seem to know what you're doing, and I've been pretty terrible this whole game.

[Ythan]

This is probably better suited for postgame but when you've been here, which recently has been consistently, you've seemed fine to me.

[Netopalis]

*shrug* We'll discuss it postgame, but the fact that I couldn't build a solid case on StrangerCoug and previously stated that Cyberbob was obviously town is wearing on me. I've been pretty well clueless most of the game.

[Ythan]

How are we to coordinate tonight, ML, as you suggest in 798?

[Cyberbob]

Good question, bad answer.

No you're right clearly I'm blatantly lying to cover up some massive scum conspiracy.

Town players are more likely to make spur of the moment votes than scum because scum are usually more worrried about potential backlash.

Also the pairing at this point is so obviously SC-Neto it hurts. Nice shot at a late bussing Neto but it won't save you now; next time you should try that sort of thing a bit earlier; you don't want to look like you're simply playing follow the leader (as you clearly are here with Ythan and my comment about theatrics).

[Cyberbob]

*shrug* We'll discuss it postgame, but the fact that I couldn't build a solid case on StrangerCoug and previously stated that Cyberbob was obviously town is wearing on me. I've been pretty well clueless most of the game.

lolllllllll

[MacavityLock]

Well, the plan is pretty simple. It's basically Neto's tonight, the reverse tomorrow night if necessary:
Lynch one of Cyberbob or SC today, I investigate the other, Ythan jails Neto.
If all 4 of us survive to tomorrow, No Lynch tomorrow, Ythan jails (Cyberbob or SC), I investigate Neto.

Jails will likely be the more reliable ability in terms of declaring guilty or innocent at this point, due to possibility of Godfather. I don't want to post the conclusions based on possible outcomes right now, because with any luck scum will slip up, but in all honesty, they should be pretty obvious.

Does this make sense, or risking too much to a RB, busdriver, or redirector?

[Netopalis]

I don't think we have much of a choice.

[MacavityLock]

On second thought, I think I want (Cyberbob or SC) jailed tonight and Neto investigated, and the reverse the following night if necessary.

[StrangerCoug]

Town players are more likely to make spur of the moment votes than scum because scum are usually more worrried about potential backlash.

I'm sorry; isn't this how it's been sealed that one of the two of us is dying today? Votes in LYLO require a lot of thought by nature.

Also the pairing at this point is so obviously SC-Neto it hurts.

Guess what, Cyberbob? That ultimately tells us nothing, just like me saying the scumpair is you and Netopalis tells us nothing, nor does Netopalis saying you and me help anything. Any given one of the three of us should be pushing for the other two.

[Ythan]

If there is a kill then the unjailed must be scum. If you get a guilty result then they must be scum because I doubt two millers very much. Sounds like it comes down to the lynch today.

[Netopalis]

So, Ythan and ML - SC or Cyberbob? I think we've exhausted today's train of thought as far as we can take it....

[MacavityLock]

Agreed. First off, Ythan, are you good with jailing (Cyberbob or SC, whichever we don't lynch), and me investigating Neto? Just want to be sure no signals crossed.

As for the lynch, I'm still in favor of Cyberbob going, but I definitely see what you guys are saying about SC being blase about his own lynch.

[Ythan]

Does it matter which we do, if we get the lynch right?

[MacavityLock]

Neto offered to get jailed. I worry that if he's scum, he has a trick up his sleeve to deal with this, which is why he offered.

I doubt it matters much, but that's what I'd prefer. Again, I don't want signals crossed, so let's just make a decision and agree on it.

[Ythan]

Anyone want to do a last minute meta check on SC?

[MacavityLock]

I've played in many games with SC. We've now been every iteration: scum buddies, me-scum him-town, me-town him-scum, and we just completed a game where we were both town (like yesterday). By far my favorite scum-tell on him is FoS or HoS-ing a scum buddy with little reason to do so. I haven't seen that this game. His attacks on DC seemed legitimate, but then DC was pretty obv-scum. I see limited interaction between both him and Cyberbob and him and Neto. If anything, I'd say I see more interaction with Cyberbob: Days 1 & 2 based on reactions to DC, and today with the relatively early vote. If I had caught any meta scum tells on SC, I would've brought them up earlier.

I don't think I have any good meta town tells on him, so I certainly don't feel comfortable "clearing" him in any way. I have brought up this FoS/HoS scum tell with him before (I caught him with it in the me-town, him-scum game), so it's perfectly likely that he specifically avoided that tell because I'm in this game. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

tl;dr: My best scum tell on him didn't show up this game, but I have nothing to suggest that he's town either.

[Netopalis]

Well, would you be more comfortable going after Cyberbob? I mean, like I said, it doesn't matter to me.

[Ythan]

A thought occurs. Reviewing a bit.

[Cyberbob]

By far my favorite scum-tell on him is FoS or HoS-ing a scum buddy with little reason to do so. I haven't seen that this game.

Have you tried looking?

That's not going to save your life and you need to be more detailed. Hadn't Ythan knocked some sense into me, I'd jump right back on you.

Major HoS

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Oh spare me. You were already jumping at the bit to jump back on me, remember? Rattling that sabre at me is just theatrics at this point.